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Author Topic:   Randall...a request, please -- Re: Vaccines
Saffron
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posted June 24, 2005 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saffron     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Randall:

i've read some very enlightening information you've posted before about the truth of vaccines. if you have the time, would you mind re-posting that info, and your opinion about them?

i really would appreciate it, and i think it would be to the benefit of many others also.

Thank You!

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posted June 24, 2005 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Saffron,

I think you read my mind. There is an article in this month's Rolling Stone that contains devastating info about vaccines, and their links to autism. I will transcribe some of it for you as soon as I can. But if you can pick it up, it's the issue with Jessica Alba on the cover.

I was planning to post some of the info anyway...and there is a link they offer for more info, too, which I will get to you.

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posted June 24, 2005 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Saffron,

Here is the link:

http://www.nomercury.org/

It was founded by a woman and her physician husband after their son was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, and they had done a lot of research into vaccines.

Vaccines which contain Thimerosal/mercury, are potentially the most dangerous.

People here have accused me of being melodramatic/a drama queen when it comes to my cynicism in regards to the medical community. I don't believe that's true. The health care community does not always have our best interests at heart, and I urge you to read the article in its totality. If you can't find it, Saffron, please email me, and I will send you a copy.

Here is a quote:

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What is most striking is the lengths to which many of the leading detectives have gone to ignore-and cover up-the evidence against thimerosal. From the very beginning, the scientific case against the mercury additive has been overshelming. The preservative, which is used to stem fungi and bacterial growth in vaccines, contains ethylmercury, a potent neurotoxin. Truckloads of studies have shown that mercuy tends to accumulate in the brains of primates and other animals after they are injected with vaccines...a Russian study found that adults exposed to much lower concentrations of ethylmercury than those given to American Children still suffered brain damage years later. Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines twenty years ago, and Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have followed suit.

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This epidemic (autism) may have been prevented, said Rep. Dan Burton, had the FDA not been asleep at the switch.

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Thimerosal has been eliminated from most American vaccines--but U.S. officials are still shipping the toxic shots overseas. In China, where autism was all but unknown before tainted vaccines arrived in 1999, a reported 1.8 million children now suffer from the disease.

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When a study revealed that mercury in childhood vaccines may have caused autism in thousands of kids, the government rushed to conceal the data--and to prevent parents from suing drug companies for their role in the epidemic.


I hope this is of interest to you. And again, I would be glad to send to you a copy of the article.

btw, the bold emphasis is my own.

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posted June 24, 2005 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayDreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Hey I actually did a paper in my undergrad on this...Definitely mercury is damaging to the brain...but can't remember what exactly I found...will have to dig through articles.

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posted June 24, 2005 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayDreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Before you decide that vaccination causes autism ..

You also have to consider all the interconnected variables that come into play with the rise of autism in recent years.

More children are being diagnosed with autism partly because doctors are more aware of the disorder and are better trained in diagnosing it. Also the range of what is classified as autism has grown as well. Moreover, with the advent of industry and technology, we are consuming especially by way of ingestion and inhaltion many more chemicals on a daily basis which generations before did not have to worry about. This makes it extremely difficult to isolate one chemical and find any direct connection to autism.

Definitely, there is a well known link between Mercury and brain damage. But I'm pretty sure most pharmaceutical companies today have eliminated it from their vaccine ingredients. Also one could argue, if it is still in use in some countries, that it in such minute quantities that its effects are harmless (I don't know if I would go with that...but it is something to look into).

Here are a few article on the topic if you want to do some deeper research...

Kaye, J. A., del Mar Melero-Montes, & M., Jick, J. (2001). Mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine and the incidence of autism recorded by general practitioners: a time trend analysis. British Medical Journal, 322: 460-463 http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/322/7284/460

Geier, D. A., & Geier, M. R. (2004). A comparative evaluation of the effects of MMR immunization and mercury doses from thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines on the population prevalence of autism. Medical Science Monitor, 10(3): 133-139. http://www.medscimonit.com/pub/vol_10/no_3/3986.pdf (A PDF file...need adobe reader)

Gellin, B.G., & Schaffner, W. (2001). The risk of vaccination—the importance of “negative” studies. New England Journal of Medicine, 344(5):372. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/extract/344/5/372


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posted June 24, 2005 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Devilfish     Edit/Delete Message
i have four children and none of them are vaccinated
i had to fight for my rights for them to go to school in my state because of it.
here's a link
https://www.nvic.org/Default.htm

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posted June 24, 2005 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Day Dreamer,

I agree, it is important to be well-informed, and consider issues from all sides.
But interestingly, this aspect of the issue, which you mentioned, was also addressed in the article. As you said:

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More children are being diagnosed with autism partly because doctors are more aware of the disorder and are better trained in diagnosing it.

So here is the interesting statistic that somewhat negates the above:

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Skeptics insist that the nationwide rise in autism is the result of better diagnosis. But as Department of Education figures show, the disease increased much more rapidly between 1992 and 2003 than other disablities among six- to twenty-two year olds.

And the accompanying graphic illustrates that in those years, the incidents of autism grew 805%! All other disablities grew by 31% in the same time frame!

I'm not saying anyone should necessarily trust me or this article, only that a lot of research should be done before deciding to choose vaccines for one's precious child.

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posted June 24, 2005 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayDreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Wow 805% what study is that from?? They must have dramatically increased the concentration of mercury over that period for the rate of autism to jump to such high levels. The second article I put up does show a direct correlation between increasing mercury in vaccines with increasing prevelance of autism...and it is a more recent study.

Definitely a lot more research needs to be done...i don't understand why it is so much trouble to remove that mercury containing compound from vaccines, if it's is still used as an ingredient?!?!?

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posted June 25, 2005 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I would be less concerned about autism than some of the other problems, including brain damage and death. Mercury is just one of several harmful ingredients. Plus, immunizations just don't work. Therre are still outbreaks of chicken pox, measles, etc. in schools. And Polio was already on a decline all over the world BEFORE the introduction of the vaccine, including countries that never used it at all.

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posted June 25, 2005 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saffron     Edit/Delete Message
Trillian...thank you so much -- i will be in touch soon. this subject needs much discussion!

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posted June 25, 2005 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saffron     Edit/Delete Message
Randall...i do hope you'll post more of your information and knowledge about this.

sorry about mispelling your name in the thread's title...can you fix that please?

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posted June 25, 2005 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saffron     Edit/Delete Message
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Special Report

Autism + vaccines = tax dollars

By Evelyn Pringle
Online Journal Contributing Writer

June 17, 2005—We are on the verge of a welfare disaster in this country. Eighty percent of autistic children are under the age of 17. In a few short years, the states are going to be forced to provide support for an overwhelming number of disabled autistic adults.

"The costs will be in the trillions," according to Ann Dachel.

Ann should know. She is a special education teacher, a member of the National Autism Association, and the mother of a boy with autism and a daughter who developed epilepsy after receiving a Hepatitis B vaccine.

Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that for many years was added to childhood vaccines to boost drug company profits. In the 1990s the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) added more and more thimerosal containing vaccines to the mandatory vaccine schedule without adding up the cumulative amounts of mercury that children were receiving from the vaccines.

Finally, in 1999, after watching the dramatic rise of autism and other neurological disorders, officials at the CDC and Food & Drug Administration (FDA) realized that a fully vaccinated infant was receiving up to 125 times what the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) considered safe for mercury exposure.

Because half the officials involved were on the payrolls of the drug companies they were charged to regulate, they have never ordered the pharmaceutical industry to stop using thimerosal. In fact, the product is still used in some vaccines. Last year's flu vaccine had a mercury content eight times the EPA's safe limit and it was recommended for six-month-old babies and pregnant women.

The generation of children poisoned by vaccines during the 1990s is now reaching puberty and if the Bush administration is successful in blocking lawsuits against the vaccine makers that caused this epidemic of neurological disorders, taxpayers will be left holding the bag and a heavy bag it will be.

The theory of mercury toxicity and autism is not promoted by parents only. Its been verified by such esteemed biochemists as Andrew Hall Cutler, PhD, and Boyd Haley, the chemistry department chair at the University of Kentucky. A 2000 study by Sallie Bernard of Safe Minds, a nonprofit autism awareness organization, and her colleagues, titled "Autism: a novel form of mercury poisoning" documents about 100 matching symptoms.

The transcript of a closed meeting in 1999 that was leaked to the press, attended by officials from drug companies and the CDC and FDA, reveals how the 52 vaccine policymakers at the meeting discussed ways to deal with statistics showing that children given mercury in vaccines had a much higher rate of autism, attention deficit and other disorders.

On August 18, 2003, Dr Leonard G Horowitz, warned members of the congressional committee at a Government Reform Hearing on Vaccines as a Risk Factor For Autism, "the great and grave likelihood that disease prevention through vaccinations is violently backfiring—dramatically increasing mortality and morbidity especially among America's youngest citizens."

Horowitz cited the dangers of our nation's "most established, generally accepted, public health practice of vaccination, and its links to skyrocketing rates of autism and brain damage in children."

This public health professional by training, and independent investigator with expertise in medical sociology and infectious disease research, told Congress, "I have unfortunately, over the past two decades, grown accustomed to instances of poor decision-making, gross negligence, and downright cover-ups in safety oversight and pharmaceutical industry control in the vaccine arena," Horowitz said.

In 2002, the research team of David and Mark Geier released a study, based on tens of millions of doses of vaccines given to children in the US during the 1990s, that presented the first epidemiologic evidence that associated the increase in thimerosal from vaccines with neurodevelopmental disorders.

Professor Lynn Adams of Radford University, a speech-language pathologist who specializes in autism, says a 1999 study determined that the average child received 33 doses of 10 different vaccines by the age 5. She claims the multiple shots could "flip a genetic switch" in children predisposed to autism.

Lisa Blakemore-Brown, a psychologist in the UK, also maintains that thimerosal is the cause of autism, and suspects it is also the culprit involved in a wide variety of other health problems showing up in children these days.

According to Blakemore, the current autism epidemic did not occur earlier because children "were given single vaccines with single amounts of mercury," she says, "but with the introduction of triple vaccines the amount of mercury contained within the preservative was multiplied and the cumulative effects are only just now being discovered by the public."

Parents Struggle With The Burden

Laura Bono is the mother of an autistic child and she wants the public to consider the latest research pointing to the mercury-vaccine link. For instance, researcher Mady Hornig recently announced the results of a study where mice were given thimerosal at the level of the childhood immunization schedule and began exhibiting autistic behavior.

Laura cites a study where toxicologist Dr Jill James, a former FDA researcher, found a problem with autistic children's methylation which made it difficult for their bodies to rid themselves of mercury. Laura notes the findings of Dr Richard Deth that, once in the body, thimerosal shuts down the detoxifying methylation process.

Laura reveals how her son Jackson experienced a four-month regression beginning days after receiving shots. He received HiB (with 25 mcg. of mercury), DT (with 25 mcg. of mercury), oral polio, and measles-mumps-rubella. All totaled, he received 50 mcg. of mercury, three dead viruses and four live viruses. The 50 mcg. of mercury was on top of the 75 mcg. of mercury he had already received in his first year of life through one DPT and two other DT shots. The 50 mcg. of mercury he received in one day was 44 times the EPA exposure limit. He would need to weigh 550 pounds on that day to process that much mercury. He weighed just 25 lbs. The total amount of mercury from 2 months old to 16 months was 139 times the recommended EPA exposure levels.

"My outgoing, social, verbal child was a shell of his old self," Laura said, "Jackson's body was still here. But his personality—what made Jackson his smart, loving self—was gone. The sick body replaced the well one. The sleeping child was replaced by one who would awake startled after a few hours and not go back to sleep all night. The one who had a healthy appetite was replaced by one who became picky and whittled his foods down to one or two. The happy child was replaced by an unhappy one. The child who at one time didn't miss a thing and was the life of the room became distant and preferred to be alone. The one who was developmentally ahead of the crowd began making strange noises and exhibiting odd behaviors. The child God gave us was gone," Laura said.

Andrian Prokofiew of New Jersey has a son who was developing normally until he acquired autism at 17 months after receiving 20 some vaccinations containing thimerasol. Within weeks of the last three vaccinations given in the same visit, "he lost all speech for 3 years, did not even look at me or know who I was. He screamed for two weeks, his ears turned red, his eyes dilated and he began to spin, flap his hands and bang his head," she said.

It took more than three years to find out what happened to him medically. Andrian says she was horrified to find out the pharmaceutical companies gave bonus dollars for each vaccine given.

"Words alone cannot express how devastating this disorder is for the family and child, emotionally as well as financially," she said.

Dr Allen Clark, a licensed physician for 30 years, has a son who developed severe neurodevelopmental symptoms (diagnosed as Asperger's an autism spectrum disorder) at age 7½ after receiving a routine influenza vaccine containing 25 micrograms of Thimerosal, a dose which the EPA would calculate that would be safe only for a 550-pound adult. The doctor's son weighed only 50 pounds at the time he was vaccinated.

Nancy and Tim Hokkanen are parents of Andy Hokkanen, age 6. Andy was exposed to mercury before birth from his mother's tooth fillings, which are 50 percent mercury, and from RhoGam shots for Rh factor incompatibility. After birth Andy also received thimerosal from the mandated childhood vaccinations.

Tim's health insurance has covered much of the cost of behavioral therapy for Andy, but for about nine months they were on medical assistance, which picked up many co-pays. They estimate that their insurance company was billed about $100,000 for therapy so far.

Linda Weinmaster has a 13-year-old son who also met with mercury poisoning before birth in the form of a mercury-containing RhoGAM shot that Linda received during her 28th week of pregnancy, along with his childhood vaccines. He now suffers from a host of medical problems that require care.

Linda tell how her son's medications cost over $6,500 per month. Right now, insurance covers his meds less deductibles but not his vitamins which run about $300 per month.

A veteran of the United States Air Force, Kendra Pettengill is a widowed mother of a child with autism.

Kendra is annoyed that anyone would believe that there is not an epidemic of autism and could claim that it previously went undiagnosed. "The claim is better diagnosis," she says, "as if parents, teachers, and doctors 10 or 20 years ago wouldn't have noticed our spinning, rocking, flapping, head banging, self-biting, children who can't speak and live in their own little worlds."

"It is an insult, a slap in the face to parents to claim it is only better diagnostics that recognized our children," Kendra notes, "A parent 10 years ago would have been just as terror stricken by their child's condition as I was and would have demanded a reason just as I did."

Kendra's insurance company will not pay for her daughter's medical therapy, the diet, or ABA therapy. In fact, once autism is diagnosed they can refuse to pay for a doctor's visit for the flu if your doctor checks the little autism box on your insurance sheet, Kendra says.

"Every organization I contacted denied me assistance, as they say my $30,000 a year income is too much to qualify," Kendra said. "A good solid ABA program can cost more than that, per year," she added.

"I have sold my house, spent my retirement, lost my medical insurance," Kendra says, "all to save my child from a life of hopelessness."

According to Kendra, her entire family is affected by her daughter's autism, "my parents even sold their house and moved by us to help out," she said.

Bob Ashburn and his wife Jamie are from Ohio and they have two children with autism spectrum disorder.

Their son, Kyle, who is now 9, was the first to be diagnosed with autism. In many respects they say he was the perfect baby because he was so easy to get along with and yet there was something strange about him that they couldn't pinpoint. They originally thought that Kyle might be deaf.

When he was about 15 months old, the family was eating at McDonalds when an alarm went off. Everyone in the place reacted to the noise except Kyle, he just kept sat there eating his french fries.

At first the Ashburns thought their daughter Kris, was just shy, and had strange habits, like regular hand washing and needing everything to be consistent. For instance, she needs to sit in the same seat in the car and needs to sleep with her same stuffed animals each night.

Kris is now 14 years old and is very artistically talented and has a great reading level. She can handle regular school but she really needs to have time to herself when she gets home and usually hides in either the bathroom or her bedroom for about an hour reading before she can face the world again.

The Ashburns worry about what kind of future their children will have, especially Kyle who has very few social skills and so many post-reactions to any interactions of a negative sort with people that they don't know how he can live in society.

When Kyle and Kris get upset they become violent and hit their parents, so the Ashburns have had to change their entire lifestyles so that everything is as consistent as possible and that transitions are made with lots of preparation.

Nothing, not even a quick shopping trip for a carton of milk, they say, can be done on the spur of the moment without some sort of violent reaction from either one or both of the children.

Jennifer Thompson tells how for a period of time her autistic Zack developed obsessive-complusive disorder (OCD) type behaviors about his clothing. "He would only wear certain clothes. No long sleeved shirts, only long pants, and they had to be tucked in!. He would only wear shirts that had buttons. This was an obsession. You did not dare think you could make him do otherwise or he would go into an extreme meltdown. And I know most parents out there understand what a 'meltdown' is."

According to Laura Bono, "What is measurable is the financial toll that this medical crisis takes on families. After the vaccines at 16 months old, Jackson's medical and therapy needs began taking every bit of money we had saved or ever would have saved."

"The total we have paid for Jackson's medical, nutritional and private therapy expenses so far," she says, "is roughly $685,000 since August 1990. That is approximately $53,000 per year."

In addition to medical costs, most autistic children cannot be left alone and must be looked after and cared for non-stop every day of the year. Unless these kids and their families get the financial help that they deserve from the vaccine makers, the entire burden will eventually fall to the taxpayers and the cost will reportedly exceed $2 million dollars per child.

Maybe that will make people wake up and listen.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/061705Pringle/061705pringle.html

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posted June 26, 2005 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn's Child     Edit/Delete Message
My youngest daughter was born prematurely. She was so tiny and frail that I could not bring myself to get the vaccinations for her at the prescribed time..beginning at 6weeks I think. I fought the state as well, Devilfish. After she was much older and I was sure that she was strong and healthy, I allowed some of the vaccinations to take place....the ones I felt she needed..like hepetitis (sp). I don't regret my decision.

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Well put DayDreamer.....

I think one needs to look at all sides of the story. There are also several indepth studies that have been done (and published in JAMA) concerning the use of Marajuana and elicit drugs (such as ecstacy) to ADHD and Autism. Both drugs have a nasty habit of changing the DNA that transcribes for the motility of microtubles in sperm.

There are continuing experiments on various compounds of this nature. Questions such as, does one needs to take only 1 dose to cause a mutation which can be carried down to the fetus or is it a history of abuse that leads to such brain function problems in children? Is there already a presdisposition to a genetic disease that is exacerbated by the use of various vaccines or drugs?

I worked with several woman that had children with autism (they were from all over the world). With all but one of the women, they were earnestly trying to find an outside source (and not looking at their own genetics) for trying to determine if their child's autism was the product of the Diptheria vaccine or other's like it.

In one case, the woman was rabidly being pursued by an Autism activist that has 6 children - 5 with autism, 4 of which received NO VACCINATIONS..... They are all homeschooled.. Her brother had Autism and her nephew has autism.

YET.. she still believes it is a conspiracy. When we had a candid discussion about autism and drugs, I mentioned the correlation between the use of certain drugs and autism. In all the cases the women admitted that yes...they had a MAJOR history (as did their husbands) of drug abuse. Only one would admit that it could have someting to do with it.

So this is MY question....

If we are so quick to believe that there is some HUGE government / corporate / health department conspiracy to make our children sick, why are we in denial that a) our own genetics may presdisposition some children to autism and 2) abusing drugs over time may cause our children to develop irreversible brain / learning disfunctions and damage?

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posted June 27, 2005 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Outbreaks -

That is sort of my speciality. It is funny how we use a normal outbreak as something to support an anti-vaccine approach.

Plaque.. a disease that decimated populations still pops out once in a great while. It is present here in NW / NE Arizona.

Chicken pox- normally strikes those that are NOT vaccinated. Vaccinated children are exposed, then bring the virus home to unvaccinated children.

Pertussis (or whooping cough) the vaccination is 100% effective until the child enters their 8th or 9th year of life.. BUT, they can still be exposed and carry the disease home to infants and adults. In this state we have an outbreak underway with over 500 cases. In the case of the children that are vaccinated and under the age of 7 - we haven't seen a problem.

Various diseases peter out and then pop up again depending on the environment.

Mercury is ALSO extremely toxic and shouldn't be introduced into organisms (even though we do a find job of it by ingesting certain foods or in the good ole days when people would bust open thermometers just to play with the silvery liquid).

Ironically enough.. there are more adverse affects from a Heptitis shot (A and B) than in taking the MMR and DTP. I just had a full round and the Hep A / B kicked my rear for a day or two.

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thanks so much for fixing my thread Randall...you did do that didn't you...

your posts about the truth of vaccines opened my eyes so completely...i'll never forget how awestruck i was to read your words.

i was so very grateful to have had the benefit of your knowledge long before my babe was born. truly enlightening!

how profoundly happy i am then to have found some of your words...from quite a while ago. (funny...this thread you started also contained a typo that you noted... )

so, i hope you'll add to this any knowledge or opinions you've gained since a few years ago...(this isn't the only place your words of wisdom appeared...but it's all i can find so far.)

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...Can you believe that some parents learn of the dangers of vaccination, and their response is, "Well, my doctor convinced me that the benefits outweigh the risks."? What they don't realize is that there are no benefits! vaccines DO NOT work! vaccines were not the reason small pox, polio, or anything else was "eliminated" from society. Also, these same doctors who push vaccines refuse to vaccinate their own children!!! They have access to medical journal studies that show time and time again how dangerous vaccines are. Any person in the medical profession who says vaccines are safe is either lying or grossly incompetent, because the research evidence alone is overwhelming! It's like saying there's no such thing as carrot souffle, when I can show you recipes for it! Like other billion dollar industries, greed fuels the gravy train! Outbreaks of measles and chicken pox occur in schools of fully-immunized children all the time. If the vaccines don't protect against the diseases they are supposed to prevent, then why take the risk--any risk, no matter how small--that your child may become brain-damaged, die, or have health problems as much as 10 years later? I applaud you for becoming an informed parent and for choosing what your heart told you to do. I know several people who were never vaccinated, and they are SO HEALTHY! Injecting mercury, formaldehyde, foreign animal proteins, filth and dust (allergy vaccines), and all manner of chemicals directly into the crystal-clear bloodstreams of our precious children borders on insanity. It is barbaric! And as I mentioned earlier, they just don't work anyway! What we know about the immune system is so flawed. One day this modern equivalent of "blood-letting" will cease to exist, but for now, I pray each parent takes the time to become informed. Peace.

there's so much info contained in this thread...and others...i'll post more as i can.

http://consciousevolution.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=65186&Forum=All_Forums&Words=vaccines&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=500&Old=allposts&Main=65 145&Search=true#Post65186


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excellent article by an m.d. specializing in the biomedicine of autism:

Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D http://www.autism-rxguidebook.com

A Bio-Medical Treatment Approach to Autism Spectrum Disorder, Including Heavy Metal Detoxification By JAQUELYN McCANDLESS, M.D

McCandless cv & seminar (march 2003)

LETTER from: Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D

Book
Children With Starving Brains by Jaquelyn McCandless M.D.

From: Linda Newland
To: <ORAutismSupport@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:30 PM
Autism Vaccine connection?--- Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D

I am a physician in Southern California, board certified in Psychiatry and Neurology. I am currently specializing in biomedicine of autism from both personal interest and sheer demand by ever-increasing numbers of parents seeking help for their children with this diagnosis. I was disturbed by the report released Monday and published in the LA Times April 23 by IOM. Though I agree that long-term peer reviewed studies do not yet prove the relationship between the MMR and autism, I believe the report was mis-leading to the general public and especially to parents or parents-to-be. There is overwhelming clinical evidence by those of us out in the fields dealing with rapidly increasing numbers of autistic children that vaccine safety needs a great deal more investigation.

As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the HepB vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder.

The histories are very similar in the majority of these children. Dutiful parents get their child all mandated vaccinations, then come the multiple ear infections, multiple courses of antibiotics, development of food sensitivities (especially wheat and milk products) and allergies, chronic diarrhea/and or constipation, gradual marked restriction of food intake, and evidence of cognitive deficits in the form of gaze avoidance, intolerance of changes in routines, lack of interest in socialization and interacting with others, and lack of language development. This latter is finally what gets most parents to seek help for their child if they are not familiar with the autistic spectrum syndrome, which most parents are not. The next thing that frequently happens is that the pediatrician tells the parents that "it's just toddler diarrhea" (the child hasn't had formed stools in months) or "he/she looks fine, some children just talk later than others" (no words at 18-24 months), etc. and the diagnosis is further delayed. THESE ARE MEDICALLY SICK CHILDREN!! Their gastrointestinal system is so injured first by the injected toxins, then by the ensuing invasion of pathogens, especially yeast infections, and then by the ingestion of foods they cannot process, like milk and wheat, and the end-point is a malnourished brain that cannot develop and process the world the way a normal child does. They desperately need special early educational intervention to help their brains be receptive, and fortunately this is already well known and happening to some extent. Concomitantly, these children need early bio-medical intervention to help the gastrointestinal, immune, and neurological systems heal and begin to function appropriately. They need dietary intervention and removal of toxic foods and substances, including gut and brain pathogens, so their starving brains can develop properly. They need special vitamins and minerals to offset the chemical aberrations produced by the toxins and subsequent neurological malnutrition.

In the last few years thousands of children have been treated with oral chelation methods to reduce their toxic load of heavy metals such as lead, mercury, arsenic, and aluminum in their bodies, and the results by the clinicians who are willing to step out of the "medical box" to use this form of treatment are having good and sometimes amazing results with a therapy that is very safe. As in all treatment, the earlier the children are treated, the more likely they respond. The protocols are still changing for this new kind of treatment, but children are followed very closely with blood and urinary tests to make sure they remain in good health throughout the process. It is a prolonged process; heavy metals that have become a part of their cellular make-up do not leave easily. The children need to be monitored carefully and strict attention must be paid to their nutritional/vitamin/mineral intake throughout this therapy. In my practice, I have been amazed by the improvement in many children who are started on a good vitamin/mineral/ nutrient program even before they receive any chelation medications.

Each child is a complex, unique biochemical/psychological system, and must be evaluated and tested and treated individually. Therefore this kind of therapy is much more prolonged and complicated and demanding both on the parents, the child, and the practitioner than usual forms of medicine dictated by pharmaceuticals, and is not cost-effective for busy practitioners particularly dictated by bottom-line-money-saving health plans. There is a desperate need for doctor education in this arena, as well as need for insurance carriers to recognize new treatments that in the long run stand to save them a great deal by helping early in the course of these disorders. There is a desperate need for screening clinics where interested physicians and health workers can evaluate these children and counsel parents on the best way to prevent life-long disability. At a meeting I recently attended at the annual NIH conference on children's health in Bethesda MD, one of the directors at that meeting said that the estimated life-long cost of educating and treating a child with autism is $2,000,000! 700 new cases have been added to the California school system in less than the last 3 months. Our educational and medical systems are woefully inadequate to this incredible challenge. Spending most of the millions allocated to autism on obscure genetic rodent studies in universities by persons who may have never encountered a child with autism is tantamount to neglect of many thousands of children who need medical evaluation and treatment as well as proper educational intervention RIGHT NOW!!

In my opinion, to take the MMR vaccine out of context of the entire vaccine program and state that it is safe stands to create complacency in parents and researchers, and will continue to endanger many more children before the full truth of this very complicated picture is understood.

Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D., 21800 Marylee St.
#48, Woodland Hills, CA 91367, 818-716-0565

"There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it" E. Wharton

http://www.whale.to/m/candless.html

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posted June 27, 2005 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Something interesting about Mercury and Autism in Amish country (unvaccinated population)

That's a link others have made, although not to the Amish, whose
autism prevalence has apparently never been studied: - "We believe that
thimerosal and environmental mercury -- which are worldwide pollutants --
are behind the surge" in autism in the 1990s, wrote Sallie Bernard in 2002.
She is a founder of the group Safe Minds, which wants mercury out of all
medical products. Bernard co-authored a controversial 1999 study about
thimerosal, "Autism: A novel form of mercury poisoning."
- "In the end it is mercury in the brain that causes such problems,
and that mercury can come from several sources," said Boyd Haley, chairman
of the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky and another
maverick on thimerosal.
"Therefore, a logical approach is to think that all mercury exposures
are additive, even if some may be more causative than others."
Haley cited a recent Texas study, first reported by United Press
International in March, that found an association between autism rates and
exposure to industrial mercury emissions in Texas counties. One county with
high autism but low exposure to mercury emissions turned out on closer
inspection to be the site of a huge abandoned mercury mine, the researchers
found.
Leichtman believes the damage to children is being done by
environmental mercury, not the mercury in vaccines (my own research makes me
think that if it's either, it's both). He said he can detect elevated
mercury levels in about half his 500 autism patients.
"Environmental mercury is horrible," he said, "and I think that's
where it's coming from. To me, people with autism are the canaries in the
coal mine. A lot of them are reflecting the damage from all of that."
Leichtman, like a number of other doctors, is trying to flush mercury
out of autistic children through a process called chelation (key-LAY-shun).
Chelation as a treatment for autism is unproven and controversial
(what about autism is not unproven and controversial?), and it carries a
risk of serious side effects. Chelation has been used for 40 years in cases
of heavy metal toxicity, including lead poisoning.
But does it help children with autism? "The people in Pennsylvania
wouldn't take chelation," Leichtman said, and noted the Amish aversion to
medical procedures and drugs. "One in Iowa did. He certainly did better."
We'll look at chelation and its implications in the next column.

http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/sareport/Week-of-Mon-20050523/000427.html

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posted June 27, 2005 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saffron     Edit/Delete Message
i think i'd question chelation therapy as well.

the following article i think has tremendous implications regarding behavior control in the hands of the pharmaceuticals:

UK GOVERNMENT REVEALS PLANS TO VACCINATE CHILDREN AGAINST DRUGS

Children may be “vaccinated” against the effects of cocaine and other drugs in a plan recently revealed by the UK government, reports the well-regarded British newspaper, The Independent. The article explains that "Doctors would immunize children at risk of becoming smokers or drug users with an injection" and that the program would operate in a way similar to the "current nationwide measles, mumps and rubella vaccination programme." Further the authors reveal that "such vaccinations are being developed by pharmaceutical companies and are due to hit the market within two years."

Earlier this month, the US-based Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics published a relevant and timely report, which addresses the imminent emergence of these same "pharmacotherapy" drugs into the US market. Among other well-documented information, the report notes that the US National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) has allocated $12 million dollars to Xenova, the UK-based pharmaceutical company running trials on the "anti-cocaine" vaccine mentioned in the article.

The plan currently being researched and debated in the UK is therefore of concern to those monitoring trends in US drug policy. The CCLE's policy report, "Pharmacotherapy and the Future of the Drug War" is the first publication to address the ethical and legal dimensions of this new breed of pharmaceuticals. The report acknowledges potential benefits if these drugs are used voluntarily, but warns that coercive or compulsory use of such drugs to "immunize" drug abusers or "at risk" potential users would violate a number of legal rights and trample the fundamental human right to freedom of thought.

Richard Glen Boire, a legal scholar at the CCLE, believes that vaccinating children with "anti-drug" drugs would be "alarming and unlawful, and would signal the first time that neuropharmaceuticals were overtly used to enforce government policy."

Aside from the human rights concerns, the UK plan raises serious health questions regarding the long-term effects of these drugs on the complex neurochemistry of the brain.

The CCLE pharmacotherapy report directly addresses the potential legal and health consequences of US implementation of a compulsory "anti-drug" vaccination program, which now seems closer to reality than ever before in light of the UK government's recent announcement.

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/UK_pharma_vaccines.html

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posted June 28, 2005 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
So you are saying that it is better to have the Mercury build up in the system that to chelate it because of side effects...when the initial side effects from the Merc poisoning is retardation, learning disabilities, complications and possible death?

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posted June 28, 2005 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saffron     Edit/Delete Message
no, pidaua, that's not what i said.

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Trillian...i managed to obtain that article, and i can't bring myself to finish reading it yet. it's that heartbreaking.

i see photos of those children crying while receiving vaccines (not only in this article) and i just feel that the anguish on their little faces is more than simply pain from a needle. i think they know instinctively how very damaging those vaccines are. i had to dry my eyes too after reading the first few pages.

thanks so much for referring this Rolling Stone to me...i never read that mag anymore! life marches on, it does, and it's nice to peruse the goings on in the Rolling Stone world...good for them to publish this article...i hope, and pray, that lots of hip parents will read this and take heed.

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posted June 29, 2005 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Saffron, I've been following this thread, but have not had time to reply as I would like (my work schedule is upside down this week).

I'm so glad you found that issue of RS. My cynical side thinks the reason a publication like RS published that article, rather than some other more mainstream magazines, is that they were worried about losing advertising dollars from some of the large pharmacuetical companies. That's a sad thing to say, but it certainly can be true. A friend told me the author of the article also appeard on the Imus show on MSNBC the other day.

I'll reply more in depth soon.

And I applaud those brave enough to buck the system and not have their children vaccinated.



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