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Gemini Nymph
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posted December 10, 2005 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
OK, look, right now is the worse time of the year for depression, so I going to be very straight with you guys, and it's not because I'm trying to be mean or authoritarian. It's just I've seen so many people post here at LL about experiencing depression and depression-like episodes, and in response I've seen a number of people offering advice, some good, but far too much ranging from "well-meaning but ineffectual" to "simply bad."

I have TONS of experience with depression. I have had depression relating to having Asperger's syndrome, from having PTSD, from being pregnant and having an abortion, from being stressed and exhausted by college and finances and from growing up in a family that was emotionally neglectful and unresponsive to me as a child. I have had depression in various forms and varying degrees of intensity since I was 8 (as far as I can remember). Because of depression I have been suicidal many times in my life. I've abused drugs, and have been in a drug rehab as a teen. I've lost jobs. I've gotten failing grades in college and even had to drop out of grad school. I've spent years wasting away emotionally and spiritually in self-destructive behaviors, thinking I should be able to handle this on my own. I've been in denial. I've been in therapy. I've been on meds. I've tried vitamins, herbs, flower essences, meditation and prayer, exercise, and diet changes. If I could make a career out of being chronically depressed, I'd be top of my field. I know what helps, what doesn't help, and what just adds fuel to the consuming fire.

I don't take depression lightly. I know it is a very serious illness and anyone suffering from it needs serious healing. I don't like to waste time entertaining other people's "opinions" on whether depression is real or not, or what it truly it is. I know it's real and it's devasting. It's like an invisible cancer that invades the brain, the body, the heart and the soul. I know you can't beat with happy thoughts, pep talk, will power or "turning that frown upside." And I resent other people pushing that nonsense. I have had friends who haven't been as resilient as me in my own struggles - I've lost too many friends to drug abuse and suicide steming frfom their own depression. When I talk here at LL about depression and offer my advice, I'm not doing it as some glib "know-it-all" - I'm doing it because I hate seeing people going through the pain I have been through and other I love have too. I
*know* there are ways to cope with depression and to overcome the worse of its effects. Would you kid around, making glib and self-important chatter if someone with 3rd degree burns was asking for help? That is essentially how I feel when people come here and post about their struggles with depression, whether they realize they are depressed or not. That is also why I have such little patience for people who offer pointless, irrelevent or very bad advice.

Now, a short list about who's at risk for depression: essentially anyone but namely

- victims of abuse or trauma, past or recent
- people who have recently experienced a great loss
- people experiencing sudden life changes (even seemingly positive ones like a birth of a child or getting married)
- people under continual or severe financial or job-related stress
- people with chronic or lingering illnesses
- the eldery
- people who lack sufficient social networks
- people who lack healthy coping skills to deal with negative feelings, disappointments, and loneliness
- teens
- pregnant and post-birth women
- women with menstrual problems or going through menopause
- men experiencing hormonal changes
- people with hormonal problems, namely with thyroid or adrenal glands
- people with any kind of physical condition (including deformity, injury or scarring), handicap, neurological condition or learning disability that may advserely affect their self-esteem or sense of worth

And all of these groups are more at risk during the holidays.

A short list of things that can help *cope* with depression (but not necessarily "cure" it):

- therapy to learn effective coping skills, learn behavior modification, and to understand the roots cause and/or triggers of one's depression
- support groups relating to coping with depression
- meds (I'm not a big advocate for meds, but when used as *part* of therapy, meds can help overcome some of the more inhibiting symptoms so the person can start taking their life back. Meds are not, however, a quick fix - only a tool.)
- exercise
- getting enough sleep
- spending time outdoors, in nature, around plants
- daily exposure to sunlight or full-spectrum lighting
- having a dog, cat or other interactive companion animal (one you can touch, play with, bond with, etc.)
- regulating diet so to exclude junk food, fast food and excess sugar,fat, caffiene, starch and alcohol, as well as any food allergies or foods not well tolerated
- adding to diet foods that improve neurological function, such as green leafy vegatables, legumes, fish, nuts, berries and citrus fruit (among others)
- acupunture
- herbal therapy and flower essences
- prayer, meditation, yoga and attending religious services/ceremonies

It is important to understand that deprssion is an illness that effect the physical, emotional, mental and spiritual, and so the most effective treatment is one that covers all those areas. For most people beginning to cope with depression, however, they need to focus on the most pressing problems they are experiencing, such as fatigue, suicidal thoughts or inability to cope with emotions or stress, adding other things to their recovery process as they begin to heal.

If there is anyone here who knows or suspects they are struggling depression, please know there is hope. There are things you can do to help yourself, to heal and to get your life back. It's not your fault that you're depressed, there's no shame in being depressed and you shouldn't expect yourself to deal with this problem on your own. Please consider all the options available to you.

For more information on depression, treament and other links: http://www.depression.com/index.html

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ariestiger
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posted December 10, 2005 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
I think treatment options are great, GN, and you're right abt. the fact that people shouldn't have to go through these things on their own. However, for these treatments to be really effective, people should also realize that it takes time...years...and that a CONSIDERABLE amount of effort needs to come from the person themselves. They need to take a good look at themselves, the way in which they react to things and how the people they associate affect them. With the end goal in sight: of getting BETTER.

In fact, the key signs of betterment is when one isn't even thinking about the end goal any more. One is just concentrating on making oneself better, and better, and better.

10 years ago I was in a total depressed, neurotic hell, crying constantly, no confidence whatsoever. In the intervening years, I have had several bouts of counselling, quit talking to certain people, resumed talking to these certain people, got married and experienced some sort of solace through being "rescued" in that way...until there came a point when I started to become more assertive and didn't need rescuing any more, so relations between me and my husband went downhill (we are now divorcing). Over the last couple of years my confidence has increased exponentially to enable me to get to the stage where I am now. A chaotic way of doing things? Maybe - but you sometimes need to roll with the punches. You can't give up. And you can't waste time focusing on regrets. Do what you are sure of, and be confident in your ability to make that decision, even if you have to change your mind 8 weeks later, as I did recently with a postgrad. course which I pulled out of - because I decided I'd rather run my own business. It's all a question of constant review, analysis etc. It's also a question of taking responsibility. The depressed person needs to realize that they can in part be responsible for their actions.

I was so depressed years ago that people thought I was going to go the same way of my schizophrenic cousin. I used to get terrible rages, although this was in part to do with some of the controlling people in my life, who I ceased talking to for a while...lately I heard my cousin, who had been let out of a secure unit, threw himself in front of a train, intending to commit suicide. He wasn't killed but apparently lost limbs. Now...NO-ONE wants to get to that stage.

I think that with schizophrenics it is a case of a genuine chemical imbalance. I don't know whether it is a familial thing, but I certainly feel things more acutely than many people around me. This is maybe why I have never been interested in mind-altering drugs of any type. Because I can experience what I want to in my mind, out of pure choice. And I also need to be in control. I think it's best to try and avoid drugs as far as possible, it lessens the ability to become self-sufficient.

Self-sufficiency IS an issue, whatever difficulties one may have, and there are two choices the individual faces: going all the way up to heaven...or all the way down to hell.

I think the key to recovery is knowing oneself and individuating oneself, recognizing the idiosyncrasies in one's character. The pivotal people in my life (mainly Aqua/Scorp/Leo influences) may have traits that I have reacted very strongly to, but they have also helped me grow.

Possibly one of the most helpful factors in my recovery has also been this forum (especially regarding my separation). It's not quite the same as a counsellor, who may not have been through the same experiences.

AT

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Devilfish
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posted December 10, 2005 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Devilfish     Edit/Delete Message
depression
ive struggled with this from the day i was born
i tried meds , which has heavily biased my opinion against them,it made it WORSE.
got off meds and began my quest for self knowledge.self knowledge has seen me though the darkest moments.i know there is not one cure all and people respond to different treatments but at the heart of depression isnt it suppressed anger turned in on ones self.when you strip the flavors of depressing thoughts down the seed of it all is low self esteem........i once read depression is a superiority complex caved in on its self.ive turned that sentence over and over in my mind many times.is it true?
GN, if i remember correctly you work in the mental health field, right? i would like to hear more on this, so if you have any more thoughts please share
i am interested in the seed of motive behind depression.id like to move past the personal aspects that evolve from the seed and look at the very beginning of such cycles.to me everything else is treating symptoms, but not really getting into the meat and potatoes of why.

AT:
im glad you found the strength to move ahead.
your posts really hit me sometimes.ive noticed this on several threads. must be your sun in my fourth house

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pixelpixie
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posted December 10, 2005 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Yep.

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Lemingtyne
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posted December 11, 2005 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lemingtyne     Edit/Delete Message
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It's not your fault that you're depressed, there's no shame in being depressed and you shouldn't expect yourself to deal with this problem on your own.

I believe that it's not my fault, but I get treated by others - my closest family members and friends - as if it is my fault. They punish me for acting depressed by neglecting me... at the time when I need their support the most. For this reason it's been hard for me to maintain a social support network. I have done some very dangerous things in order to feel less alone. People in my life know that I'm depressed, that I'm on medications and have been in counseling, but no one mentions it or wants to be around me to help me out. I think they are ashamed or in denial, but I'm not. How can I get their support? My mother supposedly lives with me (or I with her) but I rarely see her because she is out of the house as much as possible to avoid dealing with me and my depression. Just about every night she has dinner at her friend's house and sleeps over there, too. About once a week at the most I will see her in the evenings and it feels like it's a chore for her to spend time with me. So I'm afraid to ask for more of her time. I started doing yoga and that helped, not just doing the breathing and poses, but also meeting new people. Lately I've been getting stuck at work and not been able to go. I never feel like doing anything. I just feel so bored waiting for my life to hurry up and be over with.

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BlueRoamer
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posted December 11, 2005 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message

Thanks a lot GN. We have been similar places in our youth. I too have seen the devastating effects of depression and drug use both on myself and on others.

On a side note I hope you can forgive me for attacking you last year. I feel that it is in your thoughts every time you read my posts, and I hope you can forgive me for being in a nasty mood. Sometimes sagittarians don't realize the powerful effect they can have on others. It's something that I'm working on.

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Aen
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posted December 12, 2005 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aen     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you GN! Very good post.

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teaselbaby
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posted December 12, 2005 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teaselbaby     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for posting, GN.

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted December 13, 2005 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoSweetHeart     Edit/Delete Message
GN, First, thanks for the helpful info. I also think depression should be taken seriously and that it is real.

I just want to add that I don't think people here that offer advice on the subject are doing it to look like no-it-alls. I think most of us here offer advice because we care, though what works for each of us may not apply to all. Because depression obviously effects us psychologically and physiologically, it can possibly be treated through therapy (anything method treating a person's emotional state) or medication. Whether these are effective for the individual is another story. In the end its up to the advice seeker to the method thats best for them.
I personally would go to a doctor eastern or western, and not a Linda Goodman site to seriously research it. I would come here though for support and encouragement

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