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sue g
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posted November 25, 2006 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
If any of ye are raising a child who has problems around eating, its worth looking at the chart.

I discovered our son has Chiron in the 6th house along with other planets there too. When I checked the description of this, it said "eating disorders are likely"

Not that it makes things easier, but it does strengthen my belief in astrology and helps to see the bigger picture..

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posted November 25, 2006 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message
hi sue g
i have chiron in the sixth
and have eating disorders most of my life.
has he had any type of strep germ? my weird
eating habits started in grade school after
i had been hospitalized for a bad strep germ. that's when my ocd behavior started.
i could only eat certain things-i would refuse to go to school unless everything like my clothes and homework were perfect.
i have since that time learned that a bad strep germ can trigger something in the brain that can trigger that type of behavior. this is something i never knew. a biological reason could actually be responsible-not a psychological one. i also have stressful saturn aspects to the ascendant. i have read alot on the subject and some astrologers agree that chiron in the sixth is a big one.

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posted November 25, 2006 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
This is an interesting topic. I have a family member with anorexia and OCD, the two disorders going hand in hand. I just discovered that her chart has a T-square pointing to Saturn in Virgo (first house), which to me describes her conditions perfectly - she has a severe problem/obsession relating to preserving her health/preventing diseases, however the obsession with it (severe dietary restrictions, extreme exercise and overloading on herbal supplements) in fact has the opposite effect and has damaged her health... The anorexia is also related to a fear of fat and having control over her body and its appearance (first house). She also has north node conjunct Saturn (by 1 degree). So with all of these indicators going on, this is a disorder with a VERY strong effect on her psyche and her life. I like to be positive, but as time goes on (she's now 27 and has had this disorder for 14 years despite psychotherapy and medication) it gets more obvious that she may stuck with this for her whole life. She has Chiron in Taurus but I'm not sure how to interpret that.

So I think that looking not only at Chiron in the sixth but also Saturn in the first house and/or Virgo could be important too?

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lovegoblin
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posted November 26, 2006 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message
GLover-
i would think saturn in the first may have an effect-i have ascendant 24 in leo so some of my first house is also in virgo.
this is just my experience, but u may have a point.

i hope sue g's son will be ok. there is alot of help for this type of thing. i have seen some people make absolutely amazing recoveries.she's looking out for him so he should be fine.

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 26, 2006 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, being aware of the possibility of an eating disorder is an excellent way of helping to prevent it from occuring, so all the best with that Sue!

Also, I find it interesting you have a Leo ASC because so does my family member I was talking about...

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posted November 26, 2006 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message
GLover-
I am so sorry about your family member.
Maybe she will have to reach an epiphiany on her own. Once she realizes how much this disorder dictates your entire existence-you eventually become weary of devoting so much effort to continuing this behavior. It has caused me plenty of problems in relationships! Guys don't like to hear you had these types of problems. The guy i am with now seems not to care too much about it-but when i first confessed that i have had problems in this area he kinda freaked.

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Amelia
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posted December 21, 2006 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amelia     Edit/Delete Message
I suffered from Anorexia ages 14 to 16 1/2.(started recovery first at age 15). I stopped eating 'red meat' (and chicken and turkey) at age 9 (I was VERY picky about food), but my first 'flashes' of my E.D. started at about age 11 and at age 14 is when it became serious and turned into a full blown eating disorder. I've always tried to 'dissect' my chart to see what could have provoked this E.D. to start in the first place.

So far, all I have is:

Ceres in Pisces, in 6th house. Since, Ceres does represent nurturing or lack of (in this case).

Virgo Rising

Sun, Moon, and Mercury singelton ('harder' to balance and channel energy)

4 planets in Capricorn...maybe adds too depression.


Or it could be something else...or a mix of these. I have Pholus (one of the centaurs) conjunct my Venus in Taurus (29th degree)...

I don't know...hmmm... maybe I should be looking at the transits that occurred those years.


Oh, and GeminiLover75:

I too have a T-square pointing towards my first house (whose ruler is Virgo). OCD tendencies (luckily it is not out of control)...most definately. Sort of a coincidence...

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GeminiLover75
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posted December 21, 2006 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, sorry to hear about all your troubles Amelia!

May I ask what the planet at the apex of your T-square is? My family member's is Saturn... which contracts things (as opposed to Jupiter, which expands)... in this case, it restricts her life through the OCD, her health and also her body size. Ironically with Jupiter on her ascendant she was always prone to weight gain!

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posted December 21, 2006 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shirty     Edit/Delete Message
"Also, I find it interesting you have a Leo ASC because so does my family member I was talking about..."

That's eerie. I have a Leo Asc and have had problems with eating up until this year when I actually realized I had the problem in the first place. I am thin, but I used to be extremely thin to the point where it was unhealthy. In high school i used to throw out my lunches made for me by my parents.. I never thought of it until this year, so strange.

I am thinking of other people I know with Leo Asc and they all have behaved in a way that could indicate a similar problem. Maybe it's because of the overconcern with how we look?

Interesting. As far as Virgo goes I have nothing in Virgo at all. I do have a pretty active Venus, however.

I have Neptune, twice a singleton, in the 6th house. Maybe this would explain why I seemed to be unaware of my problem up until a certain point?

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posted December 21, 2006 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
lovegoblin, Gem and Amelia

Thanks for sharing your stories

Jacob didnt have a strep germ, he is just very particular in what he eats. I always felt he was born that way.

Some past life therapist said she saw him as an urchin child in london living on the streets where he could only get bread and scraps to eat!!!

And he comes into this life with Chiron in the 6th

And he loves bread!!!!!!

We are so lucky to have access to this type of info, if it wasnt for my belief in reincarnation, my life would be quite different and not so "enriched"

Good luck to you all....heal well....

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Amelia
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posted December 21, 2006 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amelia     Edit/Delete Message
"Oh, sorry to hear about all your troubles Amelia!
May I ask what the planet at the apex of your T-square is? My family member's is Saturn... which contracts things (as opposed to Jupiter, which expands)... in this case, it restricts her life through the OCD, her health and also her body size. Ironically with Jupiter on her ascendant she was always prone to weight gain!"

Awww, no it's ok... Actually I consider myself quite fortunate; my heart breaks for those who suffer from a E.D. for years and years; until they realize and admit that it is destroying them and/ or those close to them.

I have the planet Mercury at the apex of my T-square; yes, my 'perfectionist' (certainly has a 'Virgo' tinge to it) tendencies led to one of the causes of my E.D... Also, many eating disorders do not start from 'just wanting to stay thin'. It is (well my case) about 'control'; trying to control ones' life. Thinking that if they can control their own weight that they are in control of their own life...self-discipline... Not at all healthy.


GeminiLover75, so sorry to hear about your cousin... Saturn at the apex would make a lot of sense; since it is the planet of restrictions and one of it's planetary rulers' being Capricorn; emphasizes the need to be in control, self-discipline, and etc...


sue g, it's great that you care so much about your son. I think more people should be aware of just how damaging something like a E.D. can be when it gets out of hand. Kudos to you for caring...oh and, bread is great. I can vouch for that! lol.

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sue g
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posted December 22, 2006 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Amelia...

Yes I care for him very much. He is our only one, so I can give him lots of attention....

He has started to eat one or two other things now....even started to eat peas and grapes, which is a delight for me!!!

A healer told me that a lot of children live off the love energy of their mothers....phew.....no wonder i am SO tired.

He says to me sometimes....I dont know what I would do without you mum...

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sue g
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posted December 22, 2006 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Shirty

Sorry I didnt see yer post there.....thanks for that...I think you may have a point about the Leo influence.

Our son hardly ever eats his lunches either,,,comes back with a full box!!!

Are you okay now....have you put on any weight.

Listen to me...sounding like yer mother....sorry!

What age are you now if you dont mind me asking...

Every bit of info helps....thanks


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Maire31
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posted December 25, 2006 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maire31     Edit/Delete Message
All the presents are wrapped...so here I am soaking up whatever I can.

Wow Sue, I'm so glad I stumbled across your thread here! I have a son (my only child)who was sooo particular with food as a young child, he's getting better, but still has food issues. Once I read thru your post as well as the others I immediately went to check my son's chart and lo and behold - he has Chiron in 6th!!!

LoveGoblin - I remember reading about the possibility of a connection between strept bacteria and OCD several years ago when my son was little. He had so many URIs as a preschooler, mainly ear infections but there was strept in there too. It's been so long (he's 15 now) so it's hard to remember the timing of things but I had forgotten about the strept/OCD stuff I had looked into. I wonder if they've made any further connections re this? It's a tough thing to deal with, but we have a very open, supportive dialogue between us so we're able to talk through some of the irrational thoughts...etc. It's an ongoing process for sure.

I don't know if this is relevant, but seeing all the mention of Leo Ascendant made me look...my son's Chiron/6th house is Leo. He is consumed with the way he looks (his Venus is 6th/Leo and a singleton if you don't count Chiron). He's now into bodybuilding and protein supplements, and devoted (and a little obsessed) to working out. I monitor it and though I support his committment I'm very clear studies are the priority and his working out is his incentive to stay on top of schoolwork.

He's also got a T square - Cap/Nep/11th opp Can/Moon/5th square Lib/Mars/8th. Don't know how this might play into this stuff tho. If anyone wants to take a shot at it, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what it could mean.

Happy Christmas

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Gemini Nymph
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posted December 27, 2006 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
Children who experience a lot of anxiety early on are most likely to develop eating disorders. It's not necessarily about their appearence first, but about the deeper sense of personal security that children ought to develop, but may not due to a variety of circumstances. That lack of personal security tends to create a "hole" in their soul that they become anxious to fill, and can lead to a number of self-destructive problems like addiction and eating disorders.

The 6th house is a Mercurial house and can be associated with various anxiety issues that can manifest in problems with eating and digestion. For me, with Mars in the 6th, my greatest anxieties have stemmed from financial problems. It started with me as a small child when my parents fell on hard times and never recovered from it. I'm still easily made anxious and depressed about money problems, and it has direct effect on my eating habits and health.

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Amelia
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posted December 27, 2006 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amelia     Edit/Delete Message
Just 'popping back in'

Yeah, sue g as you said, "Our son hardly ever eats his lunches either,,,comes back with a full box!!!"

It makes me remember myself back at around that age. Anywho, just keep your eye on him (which I'm sure you are); nothing better than a supportive parent.

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posted December 27, 2006 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Amelia

He seems to eat when he comes in from school okay, even though the choice of foods is limited, but not at school.

I have recently discovered he is being pestered by a boy who is problematic. It happened before but we managed to get it stopped....up again to school we go!!!

Maire....thanks for sharing your story. I really need to speak to other mothers...it helps a lot....hope your boy is doing well now...is he very slim?

Isnt it interesting to learn that Chiron in 6th affects many who have eating disorders, which leads me to believe that the past life theory is correct.....some of us come in with this "fear"....

Hmmm most interesting!

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posted December 27, 2006 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I also believe children who are born by c/section are more likely to suffer later in life because of the trauma surrounding the birth.....Jacob was born this way.

Any of you other guys who suffer from eating problems have a c/section birth?

Thanks again

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posted December 27, 2006 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maire31     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Sue,

My son LOVES sweets! Probably his 6th House Venus. In spite of that he was always thin but he did get that prepubescent chubbiness at about 12 years old. He thought he was fat! Far from it, but he hated the fat around his middle. In the last year he's gotten taller and leaner and since he started working out he's avoiding sweets, almost compulsively, which is not such a bad thing actually. I think he'll always be a fussy eater, but he tries more now.

For years his teachers complained that he did not eat lunch at school. Even now I when I ask him if he ate lunch he says no. He does like to eat when he gets home from school though.

Also, he too was born by C-section! I never thought of that trauma in relation to any of his quirks...something to think about. Funny thing was, he was 2 weeks LATE and he refused to participate in being born! Even after 8 hours of inducing labor, we had to plead with the doctor for a C-section since our son was not cooperating with any of our efforts to bring him along...despite the c-section that had to basically "scoop" him out of me! He was very comfy in there I suppose.

He's a Pisces rising and such a sweet soul. Hope your little guy is enjoying those peas and grapes and more.

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posted February 09, 2007 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for merry_sherry     Edit/Delete Message
Kudos to you all who have struggled with eating disorders and have shared your stories with us here...

Sue G and Maire, thanks for sharing and your informative and enlightening discussions. Your sons will be fine with caring and well-informed mothers like you

I think I just came to know a little better about C-section and I'll do some research on it, and surely avoid that in the future as long as I can...

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posted February 09, 2007 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
Sue - you can go ahead and blame whatever you wish, but didn't you not too long ago say in the astrology forum that your son is having anxiety about school? And then he comes home having not eaten his lunch And you want to blame this on how he was birthed? What about the anxiety he's having RIGHT NOW? Certianly it's more convenient if you blame this on something in the past that cannot be changed over something in the present that may require you to be more accountable as a parent.

I'm sorry but I deal with this ALL THE TIME from parents with the special needs kids at school. It always something that happen years before, not something present day that needs ot be addressed. Yes, it's bad for a teacher to say "The parents are in denial" cos it's an easy out for us teachers when dealing with difficult parents. But the truth is, sometimes the parents are.

Many kids are fussy eaters, far more than will ever develop an eating disorder. It's part of the a child's growing biology - their taste buds are adapting according to their nutritional needs. By nature this is a good thing - that sweet tooth kids have was evolution's way of steering them towards young leaves and fruit, foods that are powerhouses of many nutrients a young growing body needs. But in our grand industrized world, it's a little more difficult because kids have so many unnatural food options and a lot more sources of stress that can screw with a kid's psyche and emotions, giving they other motivations to eat (or not eat) other than nutrition.

If your kid's not eating, I don't think you're doing him any good to blame it on a c-section. I think it's better to deal with the here and now, with the issues yoru son is dealing with. What I was talking about in the earlier post, that's not about birth trauma. Every kid experinces birth trauma to some extent. Generations of human have survived just fine. What I was talking about was sources of anxiety a child experiences during their later develop, when they are developing psychological habits, like how they view food. This comes well after birth, more around the age your son is now.

Now I have already given you advice in the other thread about how physical activity would most likely help your son releive a lto of his anxious and tense energy. It would most likely help with his appetite too. However, if you've blown that advice off and want to make it about his having been born via c-section, whatever. He's your kid. I've got nothing more to say about this.

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posted February 10, 2007 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks everyone for all your help and support....

Your stories, experienes and words of encouragement are really helping me...

Gem.Nymph, your cold and caustic tongue do nothing to help me through what is a very difficult time in my life...

You are not a mother....how would you possibly understand...please do not speak to me in such a condesending and judgemental way.....you took my words out of context.

I am very very stressed at the moment...my husband isnt well and my father is suicidal...and as a mother I am trying to hold everything together...

Please if you cannot be kind and respectful, keep quiet will you...

Use some kindness and gentleness for a change...and maybe think before you post.

I am becoming more and more less inclined to post at this board.

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posted February 10, 2007 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
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