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Topic: The Sand People of the Kalahari & how they make a steak
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SunChild
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posted February 27, 2007 06:42 AM
 
This is not a graphic video, very touching actually. http://youtube.com/watch?v=tC2-nK80Bt8&mode=related&search= IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted March 04, 2007 08:11 AM
This is why I think vegetarians are more concerned about their own feelings than the feelings of the animals. It is actually much more cruel to frighten an animal and chase it to exhaustion, than to stun it and slit its throat in a few minutes, but nobody has complained about this movie, in contrast to the former one.------------------
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SunChild
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posted March 04, 2007 08:24 AM
At least the animal had a great life, one of freedom and the ability to live in the way it was intended. Instead of being locked up in a cage all its life.
Which is more cruel?I'm sure these Sand People would prefer to catch the animal quickly and get it over with rather than hunt it down for 8 hours, but they can't. They do their best. They have to eat! The time of death for this animal seems much more painless than the lifetime of suffering our caged animals go through to become food. These Sand People respected the suffering the animal went through, and they released their karma through their intentions and their heartfelt blessings. My whole thing about this is, if you need meat, organic free range is the way to go, support those farmers instead. Make conscious choices about where your food comes from. IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted March 04, 2007 08:28 AM
Animals do not have a great life. Wild animals are in fear most of the tiime. A short death IS better than a prolonged death.------------------
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SunChild
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posted March 04, 2007 08:51 AM
Animals don't have a great life?
Ok...
Well I haven't asked one personally and either have you. Fear is the most primal and natural survival mechanism, it may not always be a pleasant feeling but it usually keeps them alive until maturity. Remember, they do eat, mate and socialize, that is pleasurable and it is also something caged animals can't do to their full potential. I don't really buy the idea that they are miserable all the time because of fear.  IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted March 04, 2007 09:16 AM
It's not their life but their death that concerns us here.It is important to remember that although people are animals, animals are not people. What time is it in Australia?------------------
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SunChild
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posted March 04, 2007 09:20 AM
Its about 1:20 am right now...very late for me but I plan on sleeping in tomorrow.  IP: Logged |
Johnny
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posted March 04, 2007 11:01 PM
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At least the animal had a great life, one of freedom and the ability to live in the way it was intended. Instead of being locked up in a cage all its life.
Which is more cruel?
 Couldn't agree more. You post a ton of great information, Sunchild, and I really admire your passion and insight. World needs more people like you, imo.  (Hope that didn't come across as sappy. It was meant to be a gruff compliment, like a cowboy might make. Or a pirate.) quote:
It's not their life but their death that concerns us here.
You got your concerns mixed up, mister. quote:
It is important to remember that although people are animals, animals are not people.
And that is an attitude that has caused the world a great deal of hurt. There is much less of a degree of separation between us than I think you realize. IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted March 06, 2007 11:27 AM
No Johnny, you are mixed up. There is tremendous damage done, by regarding animals as people. Cruelty to people often results. Animals do not benefit from this either.------------------
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artlovesdawn
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posted March 06, 2007 11:37 PM
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SunChild
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posted March 07, 2007 12:51 AM
Thanks for what you said johnny. That's nice of you.  IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn
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posted March 07, 2007 08:46 AM
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SunChild
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posted March 07, 2007 07:48 PM
Thanks for your compliment artlovesdawn. You brightened my day.  IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted March 09, 2007 10:02 AM
You are very sweet ALD.
Johnny, I would say you are behaving like an animal when you sniff the air and perceive that your pack leader, Sunchild, is threatened. You then rush, growling, to her defense.
If you were behaving like a human being you would listen to the words and understand what they were saying, and address yourself to the meaning behind them.------------------
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Johnny
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posted March 24, 2007 05:26 AM
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Johnny, I would say you are behaving like an animal when you sniff the air and perceive that your pack leader, Sunchild, is threatened. You then rush, growling, to her defense.
I hardly know Sunchild... But I, like Artlovesdawn, admire her passion and spirit. Plus I agree with most of what she posts. Just clarifying. I hope you don't have any pets, Mak.  Go give your treasures of darkness to someone else. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted March 24, 2007 09:31 AM
Hey everyOne!Just going to offer my own viewpoint to add to the pot of bubbling soup! Its coming along! I agree with most of what has been said here. I don't, however, agree that animals in cages have a better life than wild ones. If life is not to be LIVED...then what is the point of living AT ALL? That is my own passionate philosophy. Let us all try and realise we each have different viewpoints. That way we have a better chance of absorbing all the knowledge and wisdom the world has to offer! Wahey!...... Reading through your posts again....I think everyone said, probably in better words, what I was trying to say there.
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maklhouf
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posted March 24, 2007 09:57 AM
Well turn it around, if people are animals, why do we choose to live in houses/cages?------------------
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ListensToTrees
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posted March 24, 2007 04:47 PM
Could it be for the same reason that rabbits live in burrows, birds in nests, foxes in dens, etc? IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 26, 2007 01:21 PM
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There is tremendous damage done, by regarding animals as people. Cruelty to people often results... Johnny, I would say you are behaving like an animal when you sniff the air and perceive that your pack leader, Sunchild, is threatened. You then rush, growling, to her defense.
If you were behaving like a human being...
It's unfortunate that, when we wish to justify cruelty toward other human beings, one of the first, most popular, and most effective means we employ is "dehumanizing" them; calling them "animals", "vermin", "insects", and, basically, referring to them in various ways suggesting that they are something other than human. The assumption being that it is better to be human, and that anything else is "less than human", and less deserving of fair treatment.
It's ironic to me that, in his defense of both animals and his own conviction that animals ought not to be confounded with people, malkouf has chosen to make use of this unfortuneate method (popular among Nazis and war-mongers), in order to justify his own disrespect towards Johnny. The irony here is layered and manifold. 
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artlovesdawn
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posted March 26, 2007 02:18 PM
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artlovesdawn
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posted March 26, 2007 02:19 PM
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 27, 2007 02:57 PM
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maklhouf
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posted March 28, 2007 01:48 PM
Normally I would not stoop to reply to an obliterated post, but the reasoning here is so confused that I feel I must point out that I cannot disrespect Johnny by describing his(?) behaviour in animalistic terms, since he has already said we are all animals and he is happy with this and does not wish to be differentiated from the animals.------------------
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Johnny
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posted March 28, 2007 07:12 PM
Your 'disrespect' manifests itself in other ways, Mak. "Stoop" to answer a post? You know what you're doing, so please don't be obtuse.That's one thing that's great about animals - they're perfectly guileless. Whereas people try to be subtle but generally come across as transparent and childish. No offense. IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted March 30, 2007 12:25 PM
so what am I doing?------------------
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