Lindaland
  Health And Healing
  Aging & Skin Care

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Aging & Skin Care
neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted April 25, 2007 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
hi everyone, i've never posted on here, but i do have a question. Is it true that people with more melanin in their skin, such as Indian, Caribbean, African-American, are much less frequent to need to use advanced anti aging skin care products?

Because I know that darker skinned people have natural oils in their skin that protect it from wrinkles, fine lines, crows feet, whatever you name it. part of why i ask this is because, well i am black by ethnicity, and after i took this free 2 minute diagnostic precision test on the chanel website, the time fighting skin care in my diagnosis were all the age delay products, except for the rejuvenation eye serum. And because i have rich brown skin, being black, i think no matter how many times throughout my life i take that test, i'll be recommended the same time fighting products, is that true, or is it dangerous to assume that?

------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

"Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran

IP: Logged

BlueRoamer
Knowflake

Posts: 2955
From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003

posted April 26, 2007 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
It's also because the melanin acts as a filter to control the level of light that reaches the underlying dermis.

The body needs the energy of these photons to convert a precursor substance into vitamin D. The Sun's UV rays are damaging to the skin, they also cause genetic mutations that can result in cancer!

Try using a moisturizer every morning that has an spf 15, so your face will alwasy have some protection no matter what. I use neutrogena water based, wont' make you break out.

IP: Logged

neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted April 26, 2007 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Try using a moisturizer every morning that has an spf 15, so your face will alwasy have some protection no matter what. I use neutrogena water based, wont' make you break out

there was a moisturizer in my chanel diagnostic that was like that, the hydramax+ tinted moisturizer (moisture boost lotion spf15), but until i rank in the cash to get that, i'll just keep using generic products, like regular soaps.

IP: Logged

trillian
Knowflake

Posts: 4046
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003

posted April 26, 2007 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
You took a test on a Chanel website?

These things always make me laugh!

C'mon...they want to sell you something. Anything. Everything. You could be 15 and have the fairest skin in the land and they will want to sell you something. You could be 114 and on your deathbed and they will want to sell you something.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to sell you something. But deception is another matter.

The truth is that most of these commercial products are so loaded with chemicals that there is no way they are beneficial for your skin. Moisturizers that contain alcohol? All that crap you can't pronouce? How does your skin need any of that? I love make-up and skin products, but it's best to choose the most natural that you can.

Your skin needs good food, good rest, and plenty of hydration.

Additionally, there is new research indicating that the SPF in all products causes damage to your skin--the same kind of damage it claims the sun would do to your naked, 'unprotected' skin. If I get a chance I will find some of this research; it seems to me I might have read it on Mercola's website, or perhaps SixWise.

Buy skin care products made from organic ingredients; they are available everywhere these days and are very moderately priced. Or make your own. Coconut oil and/or avacado oil make wonderful night time moisturizers.

------------------
Everything feels possible. Perhaps more is possible than we think. -P.H.

IP: Logged

trillian
Knowflake

Posts: 4046
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003

posted April 26, 2007 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Here you go...
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_888.cfm


Worried About Sunburn? You Should Be Even More Worried About Toxic Chemicals & Nanoparticles in Sunscreen Lotions
Georgia Straight - Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Experts explore the safety of sunscreen
By By Gail Johnson
22-Jun-2006
Straight to the Source

Soaking up rays is harmful, of course, but you may want to look into the kind of sunscreen you're slathering on before you bare your new bikini; "natural" blocks are now available. Noy Vongsamphanh model.

We all know the sun-safety mantra "slap on some sunscreen". Yet for the same reason that organic food is in such demand, many people have concerns about the lotions' potentially harmful chemicals. There are products that boast they're free of toxic ingredients, but, like certain herbal supplements, just because something is labelled "natural" doesn't necessarily mean it's safe or effective. With so many creams to choose from, it's no wonder consumers get confused.

Those wary of all things synthetic point to a study published in the American Journal of Public Health in April 1992. Titled "Could sunscreens increase melanoma risk?", the report noted that the greatest increase in melanoma has occurred in countries like Australia, where the medical establishment has vigorously promoted the use of sunscreens.

Jason Rivers, a dermatology professor at UBC, however, says that the benefits of sunscreen far outweigh any possible risks.

As many as 20 percent of Canadians have an "irritant reaction" to sunscreen, Rivers told the Straight, and fewer are actually allergic. A common allergen in commercial sunscreens is the chemical benzophenone, he said, which also goes by the names phenyl ketone, diphenyl ketone, or benzoylbenzene. Although it isn't clear how much of benzophenone is absorbed into the bloodstream, the substance has been found in urine samples of study participants. Nevertheless, he maintains that sunscreens are safe.

"There's no evidence these ingredients cause changes to cells or are carcinogenic in their own right," said Rivers, who's also a spokesperson for the Canadian Dermatology Association. "There's no evidence they have a negative effect on vitamin-D metabolism. There is evidence to support they prevent sunburn and reduce premature aging of the skin and the risk of certain cancers."

According to the Canadian Dermatology Association's Web site (www.dermatology.ca/), people allergic to or intolerant of chemicals should look for products that reflect the sun's rays (a sunblock) rather than absorb them and that contain nontoxic ingredients like titanium dioxide and zinc oxide.

Sounds easy enough. But some environmental groups argue that if those last two substances are nanosized, they could in themselves pose a health risk.

Nanotechnology involves the creation and manipulation of materials at the atomic and molecular level. Because of their minute dimensions, the particles could theoretically cross biological membranes and easily reach cells.

In a May 2006 report, "Nanomaterials, Sunscreens and Cosmetics: Small Ingredients, Big Risks", Friends of the Earth Australia and Friends of the Earth United States claimed that several types of nanoparticles can be harmful to human tissue. But without mandatory product labelling, it's impossible to know which sunscreens contain them. The report stated that, according to the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration, almost 400 commercially available sunscreens contain nanoparticle titanium dioxide or nanoparticle zinc oxide To protect consumers, the Friends of the Earth organizations are calling on federal governments around the world to withdraw sunscreens (as well as cosmetics and personal-care products) containing nanoparticles until peer-reviewed safety assessments have been done.

Meanwhile, it's up to consumers to make informed choices about how they protect themselves from the sun.

The Canadian Dermatology Association recommends using sunscreens with a minimum SPF of 15 to protect against the sun's ultraviolet-B rays, the ones that cause burns. Crucial is protection against ultraviolet-A rays, which deeply penetrate the skin and lead to premature aging and the development of skin cancers. Since people don't apply as much sunscreen as they should, Rivers said it's even better to get a sunscreen with an SPF of 30.

Sunscreens shouldn't be used as people's first line of defence against ultraviolet rays anyway, he added, reminding people to seek shade and cover up with clothing. And use a minimum SPF-15 lip balm to protect your pucker.

Barring nanonasties, here are a few natural sunblocks for folks who'd rather skip chemical substances altogether.

LAVERA FAMILY SUN SPRAY SPF 15 ($33.99 for 188 millilitres at Capers Community Markets [various locations]) Made with organic-jojoba and -calendula extract, this mineral-based, waterproof sunscreen has "broad-spectrum" coverage, which means it protects against UVA, B, and C rays. It contains titanium dioxide with an aluminum coating; according to the manufacturer's Web site, mineral pigments create a physical shield that sits on the surface of the skin to block the sun's rays. Lavera claims you don't need to wait up to half an hour before it kicks in.

The founder of the Hanover, Germany­based Lavera Naturkosmetik, Thomas Haase, has dermatitis, so all of the line's products are allegedly suitable for sensitive skin and don't contain synthetic preservatives, additives, petroleum-based ingredients, emulsifiers, colours, or fragrances.

ALBA BOTANICA CHEMICAL-FREE SUNSCREEN SPF 18 ($9.99 for 188 millilitres at Whole Foods Market [The Village at Park Royal, West Vancouver]) Hypoallergenic, this lotion provides broad-spectrum coverage via titanium dioxide mixed with aloe vera, chamomile, ginkgo biloba, green-tea leaf, oat-kernel flour, and vitamins E and B5, among other ingredients that soothe the skin.

AUBREY'S GREEN TEA SUNBLOCK SPF 25 ($11.99 for 118 millilitres at Choices Markets [various locations]) Originally created for kids because of their sensitive skin, Aubrey's contains titanium dioxide and padimate O supposedly safer derivative of now rarely used para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) a study published in the February 1999 issue of Photochemistry and Photobiology, the main polyphenolic constituent in green tea, epigallocatechin-3-gallate, might protect against UVB rays.

The Washington, DC­based Environmental Working Group, which alleges that some sunscreens contain hazardous or untested ingredients, is conducting a study on sunscreen safety and effectiveness. For details, go to www.ewg .org/questionnaire/sunscreen

------------------
Everything feels possible. Perhaps more is possible than we think. -P.H.

IP: Logged

neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted April 26, 2007 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
trillian thank you for the concern, but:

[QUOTE]These things always make me laugh!

C'mon...they want to sell you something. Anything. Everything. You could be 15 and have the fairest skin in the land and they will want to sell you something. You could be 114 and on your deathbed and they will want to sell you something.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to sell you something. But deception is another matter.
QUOTE]

I don't see why you had such an amusing reaction to it, if someone is going to buy something, and wants a product, they expect a company to sell it to them precisly, and thats what chanel and millions of other brands do for a living, that is their job, everyone has their own place in this corporate, capitalist society - America.

------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

"Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran

IP: Logged

neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted April 26, 2007 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
sorry, didn't read the rest of your statement

thanks for the help, i'll try to find some (organic products that is), and let you know what i find


------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

"Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran

IP: Logged

neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted May 03, 2007 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
i think i'll stick with chanel, they have more variety in colors than traditional organic brands, or any organice brands for that matter.

------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

"Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran

IP: Logged

mAv
Knowflake

Posts: 10
From: New Zealand
Registered: May 2007

posted May 09, 2007 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mAv     Edit/Delete Message

As a moisturiser I just have a small tub of organic cold pressed coconut oil, put a small amount in my hand and add a drop or two of good quality essential oil - my favourite is palmarosa, it's an antiseptic, hydrating oil which helps stimulate cellular regeneration (reputedly)....energetically i also find it a calming oil, perfect for me! Since using that combination I've found my skin breaks out less, feels great, and wrinkles that were beginning to form are being kept at bay and reducing. Plus ofcourse drinking heaps of pure water, and making sure I have a good diet with all the good-for-your-skin nutrients....your skins health and tone has so much more to do with whats going on inside than outside! I haven't used any 'product' moisturiser or anything else on my skin for several years,and my skin has never been healthier

------------------
Breathe and Smile

IP: Logged

Lake Dance
Knowflake

Posts: 218
From:
Registered: May 2007

posted May 10, 2007 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lake Dance     Edit/Delete Message
Trillian & BlueRoamer,

Thanks for the input.


I've been using Ivory Soap for showers and hand wash but have stopped using it, because it dried my skin too much and I never quite liked that.

I don't like the idea of wearing ordinary "SPF" sun block, but I don't know what else to do for preventing sunburn. BlueRoamer mentioned the sunlight skin damage and a while ago I was too careless and got sunburned because I had not been wearing sun lotion (which was not my style- I usually would apply sun block), and I was kind of freaked out when I realized I had sunburn.

I'm in my late 20s and there have been those tiny red spots (my dermatologist called them "cherry- something", I don't remember the second word) appearing on my skin all over my body. My dermatologist said it was normal ageing. I don't believe her. I'd like to stop, or reduce the red spots. I wonder what causes them. I've been thinking toxin overload. No idea.

I don't wear make-up. In Taiwan we don't seem to have more natural sun block readily available in stores. I kind of know something's not right with the sun lotion, but haven't been able to find a substitute. I stick to one of the brands reported as "with fewer chemical ingredients", but I don't think that's good enough.

Any recommendations? I hope I didn't miss something.

Lake

IP: Logged

Neferemi
Knowflake

Posts: 170
From: Amused
Registered: Feb 2007

posted May 10, 2007 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neferemi     Edit/Delete Message
Neptune,

Have you ever heard of Paula Begoun "The Cosmetics Cop"? Here is what she says about African-American skin and if it requires different care:

While many women of color feel their skin-care needs differ from those of Caucasian women, nothing could be further from the truth. Regardless of color or ethnic background, all skin is subject to a range of virtually identical problems with similar considerations. Whether it is dry or oily skin, blemishes, scarring, wrinkles, skin discolorations, rashes, rosacea, sensitivity, or sun damage, the diagnosis, prognosis, and treatment is the same for all men and women. There are certainly some distinctions between varying ethnic groups when it comes to skin problems and skin-care options, but overall these differences are minor in comparison to the number of similarities. Think of it this way: regardless of skin color, dietary needs remain the same. A high-calorie diet results in weight gain, an unhealthy diet can cause health risks, and if you don't eat you die, regardless of your skin color. As far as skin care goes, skin is an organ (the largest in the human body) and needs the same ingredients and formulations to be healthy or deal with various skin concerns.

The rest of the article is here: http://www.cosmeticscop.com/learn/art.asp?ID=364

I really, really recommend her site to you and anyone else with skin-care or cosmetics questions. You might read her reviews about the Chanel products just to see what she says.

Good luck with whatever brand(s) you use!

IP: Logged

neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted May 12, 2007 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks neferemi, great article.

IP: Logged

neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted June 04, 2007 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
trillian,

quote:
Your skin needs good food, good rest, and plenty of hydration.

Additionally, there is new research indicating that the SPF in all products causes damage to your skin--the same kind of damage it claims the sun would do to your naked, 'unprotected' skin. If I get a chance I will find some of this research; it seems to me I might have read it on Mercola's website, or perhaps SixWise



have you found some of that research yet, 'cause i'm really interested on the SPF and the skin. There are commercial brands that have hydreation products, like chanel, but would the chemicals be too dangerous. I just want to be educated about this. Deception is dangerous, right?

------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

"Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran

IP: Logged

neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted June 23, 2007 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
i have a question: If you only have fine lines under your eyes, and their not wrinkles, but your using wrinkle cream; will it help more than fine line cream?

i hope you understand my question.

IP: Logged

MUSTANG
Knowflake

Posts: 631
From:
Registered: Jun 2006

posted August 20, 2007 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MUSTANG     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Additionally, there is new research indicating that the SPF in all products causes damage to your skin--the same kind of damage it claims the sun would do to your naked, 'unprotected' skin.

I said this a long time ago. It's such common sense, really. I was just waiting for the evidence. Unfortunately, people believe what the media (and doctors) tell them. Too bad you can't believe the people that are supposed to know better.

Always use common sense and think for yourself.

IP: Logged

fayte.m
Knowflake

Posts: 7743
From:
Registered: Mar 2005

posted August 21, 2007 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Being a non tanning spotted person I simply avoid the sun as much as possible.
My skin is baggy saggy from age (hitting 53 soon) and weight fluctuations, but no wrinkles! No crows feet either!
Sunlight causes wrinkles and crowsfeet and dryness.
Sunblock does absolutely nothing for me, except irritate my skin. I sunburn as early as 9:39am and as late as 5:30pm.
As far as cherry angiomas and spider veins, they do seem to be a thing of normal aging, as are skin tags in some folks. A good dermatologist can remove them. They may be unsightly but are all rather harmless.
------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{
~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~
~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

IP: Logged

trillian
Knowflake

Posts: 4046
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003

posted August 21, 2007 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
And yet...adequate sunlight is essential to our good health.

Let's see...who benefits from making us believe that the sun is bad, and harmful to us? Could it be the companies that profit from selling us SPF and whatever other chemicals they call sun-blockers?

fayte, as a fair-skinned beauty it is prudent for you to limit your exposure to direct sunlight. But as the saying goes, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. There are people who die from lack of sunlight, believing that all sun is harmful. It's not.

And as for all the chemicals in all those creams promising to reduce your wrinkles and fine lines...throw 'em all on the trash heap, because that's what they are. Look for organic, natural moisturizers, or make your own.

And please, understand mass marketing tricks and techniques. I am sure that most of the advertisments for these products say things like "May help reduce the appearance of..."

Please read that sentence again:

"May help reduce the appearance of..."

Can you not see how brilliant that is? Pure evil genius. It promises ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, but has you believing in in absolutely everything.

------------------
Everything feels possible. Perhaps more is possible than we think. -P.H.

IP: Logged

fayte.m
Knowflake

Posts: 7743
From:
Registered: Mar 2005

posted August 21, 2007 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
fayte, as a fair-skinned beauty it is prudent for you to limit your exposure to direct sunlight. But as the saying goes, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. There are people who die from lack of sunlight, believing that all sun is harmful. It's not.
I agree! Even I take in as much sun as I am able to tolerate! But after too many severe burns requiring Emergency room visits and wearing bandages for weeks...(I fell asleep in the sun once in my svelte bikini days and got giant 4 inch blisters all over the exposed side and sun poisoning bruising)and other sun exposure problems;
Well I avoid it between 10am and 6pm usually.
Or wear long sleeved shirts and caftans along with Big hats! Covering as much of the body as possible.

------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{
~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~
~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

IP: Logged

neptune5
Knowflake

Posts: 1992
From:
Registered: Jul 2006

posted September 03, 2007 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune5     Edit/Delete Message
trillian, you have good tips, its also interesting to note that a lot of top brand skin care companies are promoting spf in their anti-aging products. My skin is mediumbrown so i don't age as much as someone with less oils in their skin would. I found this site, with natural products on it: saffronrouge.com , i'm not sure if i mentioned it before.

IP: Logged

Yin
Knowflake

Posts: 1334
From:
Registered: May 2004

posted September 03, 2007 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Lake Dance,
Those "tiny red spots" - are they Cherry hemangiomas?
If they do - I have those too and I HATE them.
Does anyone knows how to get rid of those naturally without cosmetic surgery/ laser treatments?
Here is a link to what they are: http://www.bellagiomedispa.com/medical_services/med_cherry_angiomas.htm

IP: Logged

All times are Eastern Standard Time

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Linda-Goodman.com

Copyright © 2007

Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a