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SunChild
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posted July 10, 2007 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
The Myth About Milk
by Pramodaben Chitrabhanu in a children's book named "The Bird in a Cage"
published by Mahavir Seva Trust (India), Federation of JAINA (Education Committee, USA) and others

Since our childhood we are made to believe that milk gives nourishment and is good for the bones. Yes, mother's milk is good. But who says we need milk of other animals for the rest of our life? Even the animals do not drink other animal's milk after weaning away from their mother's milk. Then why do we continue drinking milk? Is it necessary or are we doing it out of habit? It is time we evaluate our actions and change them if needed.

Do you know that the glass of milk on your table is meant for an innocent calf? How would you feel if your child were denied its mother's milk? We never try to relate such problems with the animal kingdom. As though they are meant for human exploitation we continue abusing them. The milk that we drink comes from the cows and buffaloes that are tortured, tormented, and abused in every way. How can we talk about Ahimsa when there is no Ahimsa in our living? Isaac Singer, the Nobel peace prize winner, once said, "How can we ask mercy from God if we cannot give mercy to others." We only get what we give. If we give joy to others we will get joy but if we give pain we will get pain in return.

Let us find out the real story behind milk and under what horrifying conditions the cows are being milked. The following is the excerpt taken from the book "Heads And Tails" by Menaka Gandhi which explains the fate of the cow. This happens not only in India but also in the other parts of the world where cows are exploited and badly abused.

A continual flow of milk is extracted from the dairy cow only by subjecting her to yearly pregnancies -- starting from the age of two and each lasting nine months. After giving birth she will produce the milk for the next 10 months. However, she will be impregnated with semen during her third month and for the remaining seven months she will be milked when pregnant. She has only six to eight weeks between pregnancies. She will be milked twice or more times a day and the average Indian cow used in the Indian milk industry gives five times as much as she would have in the Fifties as she is being genetically bred for bigger and softer udders.

In order to give higher yield, the cow is fed concentrated pellets of Soya bean and cereal (which could have fed a great many more people). But even then the demanded production of milk outstrips her appetite and she starts breaking down body tissue to produce the milk. The result is an illness called ketosis.

Another illness that she contracts early is rumen acidosis induced by large helpings of quickly fermented carbohydrate. This disease leads to lameness. Most of the day the cow stands tied in a narrow stall in her own excrement and udder infections like mastitis (a painful inflammation of the udder), step in. With this long suffering, sick cow is kept alive by antibiotics, hormones, and other drugs all of which come to you in the morning milk.

Each year 20 percent of these dairy cows are taken out due to infertility or disease. These are then starved to death or sent by truck to the slaughterhouse to provide beef for those that see nothing wrong in eating it. Milk production is very closely allied to the meat trade. No cow lives out her normal life span. She is milked, made sick, and then killed.

What happens to the child, the calf? All the calves are separated from their mothers after three days. If the calf is a healthy female, it is put on milk substitutes to become a dairy replacement in two years. The male calves are tied up and left to starve to death which usually takes a week of intense suffering. Some are stuffed into trucks one on top of the other and sent to the slaughterhouse illegally to be killed for the veal that people eat in restaurants, which is also illegal. Some are sold to the cheese industry to have their stomachs slit (while alive) for rennet, the acid that is extracted for cheese making. A few are selected as bulls and kept in solitary pens for the rest of their lives for artificial insemination. Sometimes, when they are old, they are left on the streets of a city, to wonder around till a truck hits them (I should know: In one week, I have picked up eight dying bulls).

What is the basic nature of a cow? To devotedly care for her young, quietly forage, and ruminate and patiently live out her 20 odd years in harmony with nature. She is not a four legged milk pump who is to be orphaned, bred, fed, medicated, inseminated and manipulated for single purpose: maximum milk at minimum cost.

Have you seen the aged old Indian dairy custom phookan -- which is illegal by law but which is practiced on thousands of cows daily? As soon as the cow's milk starts getting less, a stick is poked into her uterus and manipulated causing her intense pain in the belief that this stress will lead to a gush of more milk in the udder. This custom causes sores in the uterus -- think about it, women -- but what does it matter when the cow is at the end of her milk giving life anyway and due to be either tied up and starved or to be thrown into a truck with 40 others and taken to the butcher?

There is this belief that dairy products give a lot of protein and iron. Most people who consume a lot of milk, specially vegetarians in North India, the people who believe that milk and paneer are a protein substitute for meat, have been found to have iron deficiency causing anemia. Milk not only provides no iron -- it actually blocks its absorption. Vegetables are the best source of iron. For instance, 50 gallons of milk are the equivalent (in iron content) of one bowl of spinach.

But what is the point of eating green vegetables if your single glass of milk is going to prevent the absorption of iron that you get from them? Listen to your body. Have you noticed that when you fall even slightly sick, the body feels nauseated at the thought of milk, that doctors recommend that you give it up till your are well? That is because after the age of four a large percentage of people lose the ability to digest lactose, the carbohydrate found in milk. The results often are in symptoms of persistent diarrhea, gas and stomach cramps. (As far as protein is concerned, milk gives the same amount as most vegetables and less than some vegetables). A human being's total protein requirement is 4-5 percent of his daily calorific intake. Nature has arranged her food in such a manner that even if you live on a diet of chapatti and potatoes, you will still get more than that amount!

The alternative to dairy products is Soya milk that contains vitamin and tastes as good (or bad). It makes excellent dahi, paneer, ice cream, butter, cheese and milk chocolate, vegetable margarine and plain calcium tablets which cost much less than milk.

Milk is a theft. Would a calf benefit from your mother's milk? No, it wouldn't. So how will you benefit from its mother's milk? Most of southeast Asia and the Middle East don't touch the stuff. And rightly so. All studies have shown that Asians have the highest intolerance to lactose. We have been sold the idea by concentrated western advertising. "Nature's most perfect food" is far from that -- it is the equivalent of a placebo, and a dangerous one at that. And, most importantly, every glass of milk that you drink, every ice cream, every pat of butter, ensures that enormous cruelty to a gentle animal and its offspring goes on.

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naiad
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posted July 10, 2007 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
thank you for this awareness SunChild.

good post...

sad situaion...

makes you think twice about all the negative energy and karma we ingest when consuming milk products.

quote:
The alternative to dairy products is Soya milk that contains vitamin and tastes as good (or bad). It makes excellent dahi, paneer, ice cream, butter, cheese and milk chocolate, vegetable margarine and plain calcium tablets which cost much less than milk.

the thought of drinking milk, or using it in cereal, etc, makes my stomach hurt. we always use soy milk. i do however, still consume yogurt, cream, ice cream and butter. now i will very seriously reconsider these choices!!

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posted July 10, 2007 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
EWWW I think milk is disgusting, and this article is definitely right, it is meant for cows and not humans. Dairy products make you FAT, they're meant for growing cow babies not for adult human people. My body has bad reactions to dairy, its full of hormones and probably causes cancer. Dairy is GROSS.

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posted July 10, 2007 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
my babe still likes to nurse...and he can as long as he likes.

but the other day here's what he said to me...

"mama, i love you, you're my cow."

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posted July 10, 2007 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, milk is gross.

Thanks for the article.

Here's a great book i read a long time ago:

Don't Drink Your Milk!: New Frightening Medical Facts About the World's Most Overrated Nutrient (Paperback)
by Frank A. Oski

Book Description
CAUTION: Milk Can Be Harmful to Your Health! The frightening new medical facts about the world's most over-rated nutrient. If you drink milk, you MUST read this. Frank Oski, MD, is the Director, Department of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and Physician-in-Chief, the Johns Hopkins Children's Center. Now includes an appendix of recent studies related to milk.

About the Author
Frank A Oski, born in 1932, is a graduate of Swarthmore College and received his M.D. from the University of Pennsylvania in 1958. He served his internship and Pediatric residency at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and then studied hematology as a Fellow at Harvard at the Boston Children's Hospital. He was appointed as an Associate in the Department of Pediatrics, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine in 1963 and assumed the post of Professor and Chairman, Department of Pediatrics, State University of New York, Upstate Medical Center, 1972. In 1985 he assumed the position of Director, Department of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and Physician-inChief, the Johns Hopkins Children's Center.

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posted July 10, 2007 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
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But what is the point of eating green vegetables if your single glass of milk is going to prevent the absorption of iron that you get from them?

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posted July 10, 2007 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Milk - The Deadly Poison (Hardcover)
by Robert Cohen

The Crazy Makers: How the Food Industry Is Destroying Our Brains and Harming Our Children (Paperback)
by Carol N. Simontacchi

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posted July 10, 2007 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
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Isaac Singer, the Nobel peace prize winner, once said, "How can we ask mercy from God if we cannot give mercy to others." We only get what we give. If we give joy to others we will get joy but if we give pain we will get pain in return.

re: compassion and mercy....

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002637.html


Jesus' message is one of love and compassion, yet there is nothing loving or compassionate about factory farms and slaughterhouses, where billions of animals live miserable lives and die violent, bloody deaths. Jesus mandates kindness, mercy, compassion, and love for all God's creation. He would be appalled by the degree of suffering we inflict on animals to indulge our acquired taste for their flesh.

...God created every animal with the capacity for pain and suffering. But on today's factory farms, animals are dehorned, debeaked, and castrated without anesthesia. To maximize profits, they are crowded together in the least space possible, and are genetically bred, so that most suffer lameness, crippling leg deformities, or bone breaks, because their legs can't keep up with their scientifically enhanced bodies. Finally, they are trucked without food or water, through all weather extremes, to a frightening and hellish death.

http://www.jesusveg.com/index2.html

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posted July 10, 2007 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

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posted July 10, 2007 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know about the dairies elsewhere but in my area the cows are very spoiled and treated very well and most live decades.
They do not lactate while pregnant and calves are not denied milk. Yearly pregnancy? Never saw that. As far as I know they produce milk after one pregnancy and as long as they are milked. Disease is very rare. They run free except at milking time in the forest and fields. Maybe the big dairies are doing it different but the farms around here with 30 to 150 cows are clean and treat their cows well. Too weak to support their enhanced bodies? Man then you have never been chased by a cow who wants to play! They run like big deer! Fast! Some even go swimming in large farm ponds! Far from mistreated! Some Amish still hand milk but most farms have milkers and even kinder, the milking parlor! Usually air conditioned or big fans going!
Hate milk? Well how about cheese, yogurt and
ice cream? I worked on dairy farms as a teenager. No cows were ever abused or treated badly. Many folks around the planet would envy the cow's easy lifestyle. No soya or weird food either. Speltz, corn, oats and Timothy or Sweet clover, Alfalfa, Trifoil and other lovely grass blends.
A cow costs $$$$$ way too much to then abuse!
Like I said, maybe it is not so elsewhere but this is my personal experience with dairy cows.
PS. Maybe folks who see these abuses need to start a humane society group or Animal Protective League. Or report these violators! In our area folks caught mistreating farm animals or any animal generally go to prison! It is usually stupid wanna be farmer city folks trying to play at being farmers who do the stupid things. Yeah, they go to jail or prison and their animals are taken from them! It is against the law to abuse any animal! And the laws are enforced!
In fact people get in more trouble for abusing an animal than they would for abusing a fellow human being! A bad joke around here is a person can mug and beat a fellow human nearly to death, and get away with it, but don't hurt the little puppies! That will land one in prison!
Weird!
PS. Some folks are allergic to soya!
And oyster shell calcium is often from toxin laden shells.
Skim milk, 1% and 2% and yogurt can be used by many folks with lactose intolerance.
Some burn medications use milk enzymes and solids as a base.
Milk is also used in Earth friendly paints and glues and in some medicines and vaccines.
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posted July 10, 2007 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

What about the aspect of cow's milk being unhealthy for human bodies though...?

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posted July 10, 2007 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I have read reports for and against milk being good or bad for humans. I do not know what to believe anymore.
Too much hype from both directions.
Too much of anything is bad. Even carrots can make one quite ill.
Tomatoes and nuts are deadly to some folks.
Some folks cannot digest plant fiber. Same goes for meat. Some folks cannot absorb iron from anything but meat.
I am not a big milk user. I like yogurt and use skim milk in my coffee. Non dairy creamers and soya are bad for many diabetics.
I like cheese but it is fat, even the lowfat is still high calorie so I use those sparingly.
I also eat alot of brocolli and greens. Also sardines with bones for calcium. But alot of fish and oyster shell is contaminated these days.
My bone density is excellent. I shall never get osteoporosis. I feel it is the balance of calcium sources which includes milk products that gave me good bone density.

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posted July 11, 2007 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Tough call, eh fayte?

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posted July 11, 2007 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
What if we all sucked a little more off of God's Grand T!t ? And left His animals with a little more peace....

I'm allergic to nuts.

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posted July 11, 2007 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
there is a huge difference between consuming pasturized, dead milk, and raw fresh milk. many raw foodists, health conscious types, keep cows handy for their fresh milk.

even Ghandi traveled with his own goats in order always to have fresh milk...whom he treated very compassionately. I am glad he didn't eat them though.

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posted July 11, 2007 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
hmm..

By B. F. Mooney "biologist" (Mooresville, NC USA) - See all my reviews
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As a microbiologist teaching food sanitation and life sciences at one of the top culinary schools in America, I have to caution people about consuming any unpasteurized dairy products. The risk of serious foodborne illness is just too great. I love the taste of raw milk, and suspect it is a healthier food, but documented problems arise at even the best certified raw-milk daries. It is NOT worth the risk. Whatever the advantages of raw milk, or the controversies over milk as a food, consuming raw milk is not the answer.

Raw Milk--just as bad!, May 7, 2004
Reviewer: A reader
Don't listen to the reviewer below...raw milk is just as bad, if not worse for you, than pasteurized milk. Want to drink a tall glass of milk from a human you don't know? No...then why drink one from a cow!

skewed and misleading, February 5, 2004
By Jim (Dubuque, IA United States) - See all my reviews
Mr. Oski's book misses a very important point--the problem with milk and modern dairy foods is that we have processed them to death! Raw milk from a healthy, pastured cow (not grain-fed) is one of nature's perfect foods. While it is true that most of what is available in our grocery stores is poison, that is not the fault of the milk. If you want to hear the other side of this very important story, read "The Untold Story of Milk: Green Pastures, Contented Cows and Raw Dairy Foods," by Ron Schmid, N.D. Also, check out my book review for Robert Cohen's, "Milk: The Deadly Poison," which is also a very misleading book.

By C. Maxson "Keirfey" (Austin, TX United States) - See all my reviews
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While it is true that the pasteurized, homogenized, milk from grain-fed, confinement-raised cows (organic or not) that we can buy in grocery stores is bad for us, this book fails to demonstrate anything about organic, raw, grassfed milk, which is a completely different substance. What most of us know as milk is NOT milk. I highly suggest reading "The Untold Story of Milk" by Ron Schmid, which describes the history of pasteurization and talks about the profoundly positive qualities of healthy un-pasteurized, un-homogenized, organic milk from healthy cows eating grass. REAL milk IS good for us. See also http://www.realmilk.com

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While it is true that the pasteurized, homogenized, milk from grain-fed, confinement-raised cows (organic or not) that we can buy in grocery stores is bad for us, this book fails to demonstrate anything about organic, raw, grassfed milk, which is a completely different substance. What most of us know as milk is NOT milk. I highly suggest reading "The Untold Story of Milk" by Ron Schmid, which describes the history of pasteurization and talks about the profoundly positive qualities of healthy un-pasteurized, un-homogenized, organic milk from healthy cows eating grass. REAL milk IS good for us. See also http://www.realmilk.com
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posted July 11, 2007 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
anyone for a refreshing glass of

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posted July 11, 2007 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Just fixed ur image T.

I just don't think cows milk is a food that is biologically designed for humans.

I asked my family members if they would like a cup of tea with my breast milk after I have the baby, they all looked horrified and gagged...lol...but they will drink from a cow!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h0awf4sinso

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posted July 11, 2007 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
i must agree with you SunChild about milk as food, in whatever form...

and what a quite hilarious question!!

apparently though there are some forms of breast-milk therapies for adults that can cure serious disease...

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posted July 11, 2007 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
SunChild!!!!! !!!!!
You are too funny!

I, for one, wouldve felt honored and asked for a glass of your breast milk straight up!

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posted July 11, 2007 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
(thanks for fixing the image)

Will have to watch that video tomorrow.

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posted July 11, 2007 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Motherkonfessor     Edit/Delete Message
I can't decide if I am bothered more by the info in that article or the self-righteous, finger-waving tone within it.

It sounds like propaganda published in the interest of soy producers.

Just food for thought... I could just as easily google these questions, but...

What's the population of India?
What percentage of the population are living in poverty?
How many of those people depend on drinking milk for sustenance?

Its easy when one has the fiscal means to choose what to eat- and not so easy when you have little or no choice.

For the first time in history- or at least in the USA- poverty goes hand in hand with obesity. It is cheaper to eat calorie dense processed foods than it is to afford to eat fresh nutritious food. This puts the blame on the modern trend of industrial farming.

However, I have equal disdain for mass scale farming as I do for public interest groups that attempt to shame people for their choices.

Sometimes, there is no choice in the matter.


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posted July 11, 2007 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
26t watch this one ~ http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5yHdA-2-b0

too funny!!!!

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posted July 11, 2007 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
most of my child nutrition books advocate a cow-milk free diet for children, esp infants and young children.

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posted July 11, 2007 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
26Taurus;
Yeah definitely a hard call.
As for water we get boil notices often. So how safe is our water anymore?
Naid.....
If you have ever gotten severely sick from fresh unpasturized milk, be it cow or goat, you would know why only pasturized is safe bacteria wise. People especially children have died from severe infections due to fresh unpasturized milk. E-Coli, Salmonela, Tapeworms, Roundworms, Botulism, Cowpox;
the list goes on.
Even fresh vegetables and fruits can be thusly contaminated. The strawberry and spinach recalls alone involved serious illness and death.
As for human milk even it can cause trouble for some babies. A woman I know who had a child the same time as I did could only produce heavy fat milk, I produced skim and lowfat milk. I pumped mine to produce extra for her to mix with hers or alternate feedings with. I made more than enough to feed both babies for over a year.
Her milk was too rich and caused her baby severe colic and diarhea.
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