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26taurus
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posted August 19, 2007 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
*sniffles*

Health Benefits of Garlic

Beware! It's the Opposite of What you Might Think

Garlic Desynchronises your Brainwaves

Source: From a lecture by Dr. Robert C Beck, DSc, given at the Whole Life Expo, Seattle, WA, USA, in March 1996. printed by Nexus Magazine

The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells. We discovered this, much to our horror, when I (Bob Beck, DSc) was the world's largest manufacturer of ethical EEG feedback equipment.

We'd have people come back from lunch that looked clinically dead on an encephalograph, which we used to calibrate their progress. "Well, what happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian restaurant and there was some garlic in my salad dressing!" So we had them sign things that they wouldn't touch garlic before classes or we were wasting their time, their money and my time.

I guess some of you who are pilots or have been in flight tests...I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's group in the 1950's. The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don't you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it'll double or triple your reaction time. You're three times slower than you would be if you'd not had a few drops of garlic."

Well, we didn't know why for 20 years later, until I owned the Alpha-Metrics Corporation. We were building biofeed-back equipment and found out that garlic usually desynchronises your brain waves.

So I funded a study at Stanford and, sure enough, they found that it's a poison. You can rub a clove of garlic on your foot - a you can smell it shortly later on your wrists. So it penetrates the body. This is why DMSO smells a lot like garlic: that sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates all the barriers including the corpus callosum in the brain.

Any of you who are organic gardeners know that if you don't want to use DDT, garlic will kill anything in the way of insects.

Now, most people have heard most of their lives garlic is good for you, and we put those people in the same class of ignorance as the mothers who at the turn of the century would buy morphine sulphate in the drugstore and give it to their babies to put'em to sleep.

If you have any patients who have low-grade headaches or attention deficit disorder, they can't quite focus on the computer in the after-noon, just do an experiment - you owe it to yourselves. Take these people off garlic and see how much better they get, very very shortly. And then let them eat a little garlic after about three weeks. They'll say "My God, I had no idea that this was the cause of our problems." And this includes the de-skunked garlic's, Kyolic, some of the other products.

Very unpopular, but I've got to tell you the truth.

Editor's Note: Taoists and some other spiritual practices recommend against eating any garlic, onions, green onions (shallots), chives or leeks. This is because they believe they attract negative energies - bad energies love bad smells. However, I understand that the problem with garlic is much more serious than this, due to the reasons above. It has very toxic chemicals in it, in addition to the spiritual effects. Stephanie Relfe

http://www.relfe.com/health_benefits_of_garlic.html

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posted August 19, 2007 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Buddhism generally prohibits consuming garlic as it is one of the five pungents. I find that garlic is a good immune booster, but this is just my personal experience.

Monks have claimed that garlic and onions disrupt the meditation practice. This would definitely correlate with the disruption of brainwave patterns. More study is definitely needed.

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posted August 19, 2007 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I am going to cut garlic out and report on any significant changes!

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posted August 19, 2007 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, a very interesting correlation, BR...

So am i, fayte! And onions.
I will miss them though.

I'm actually starting a week-long fast tommorrow anyway.

Let me know about your findings.

Ive noticed i get a slight headache after eating food with garlic in it - didnt put the two together until recently though!!

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posted August 20, 2007 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
26, garlic lowers your blood pressure hence the headaches.

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posted August 20, 2007 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Yin. That's a possibility too.

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posted August 20, 2007 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MUSTANG     Edit/Delete Message
I'm Italian, so I can't cut out garlic - my food wouldn't taste right.

How scientific is that study?

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posted August 21, 2007 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
MUSTANG
I was thinking the same thing!
I know many folks who eat garlic EVERY DAY and do not suffer the ill effects mentioned.
Why would that be?
Some are quite elderly and sharp minded as a young person and not depressed either!
Does garlic act differently when cooked or cooked with tomatoes etcetera? Is garlic raw more toxic? Something sounds goofy about the study.


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posted August 21, 2007 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
This is ONE study against very many that show benefits from garlic. What it really shows is that there is no one size fits all medecine. Chinese medecine always takes the type of person into account and so did Western medecine before it got stupid.

Does garlic kill insects or keep them away? The quantity that kills a tiny insect could be beneficial to a larger organism.

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posted August 21, 2007 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
26T, I'm with fayte on this one. Something sounds goofy about this study. Don't eliminate your garlic and onions based on this one study.

The world's greatest herbalists will tell you all the incredible benefits of fresh garlic (the packaged, de-odored stuff is worthless).

Each winter I consume a good deal of raw garlic for its antiviral/antibiotic properties. It's wonderful stuff.

And as Mustang suggested, the Italians (and Greeks, and heck, just about everyone!) have been living fabulously robust lives forever, consuming a lot of garlic!

There needs to be substantial, independent research to back this up. And frankly, I think that's something we won't see.

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posted August 22, 2007 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
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What it really shows is that there is no one size fits all medecine. Chinese medecine always takes the type of person into account and so did Western medecine before it got stupid.

And I'm not sure if it kills the insects or not?

Great points, mak.

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posted August 22, 2007 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
I do believe there have probably been more studies on this, i just havent felt the need to dig them up. The person who gave me the article acted as if this was a well known bit of information. I'm sure we could find more information backing this up and also information about the benefits of garlic. So, who knows? If you are aware enough of your own body, you can experiment and decide what is right for you.

And hey, if we can transcend our birth charts, why not the ill-effects of garlic, too? lol

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posted August 23, 2007 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MUSTANG     Edit/Delete Message
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I guess some of you who are pilots or have been in flight tests...I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's group in the 1950's. The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don't you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it'll double or triple your reaction time. You're three times slower than you would be if you'd not had a few drops of garlic."

This should be easy enough to verify. Anyone know a pilot? And if it's that debilitating for pilots it would be on a list of restricted drugs. Don't fly AirItalia!

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I was thinking the same thing!
I know many folks who eat garlic EVERY DAY and do not suffer the ill effects mentioned.
Why would that be?
Some are quite elderly and sharp minded as a young person and not depressed either!
Does garlic act differently when cooked or cooked with tomatoes etcetera? Is garlic raw more toxic? Something sounds goofy about the study.

I know...I'd rather look clinically dead on EEG! Italian + Taurus ascendant makes this restriction impossible for me.

Besides, all of the european people are very healthy. Maybe it is a cultural thing? I'm meditteranean so my genes are used to garlic. Maybe the people in the study were german and irish, etc?

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posted August 23, 2007 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
Well i know garlic gives me a stomach ache when i eat it but i do like it.
And P.S. garlic will cure a yeast infection. It's tried and true , i have done it.

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posted August 23, 2007 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
BR,
re; Bhuddists in India. Garlic is avoided on account of its smell, so they substitute with something called asa foetida which stinks to high heaven. That is the danger of blindly following religion.
People in hot countries probably don't need garlic so much, having fewer colds etc.

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posted August 23, 2007 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
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Don't fly AirItalia!

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posted August 23, 2007 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MUSTANG     Edit/Delete Message

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And P.S. garlic will cure a yeast infection. It's tried and true , i have done it.

Me too! I took garlic pills.It works better than medicine.

PS- Oregano oil is excellent as well.

(I was on antibiotics for years for chronic sinustis and lyme disease.)

Sorry to hijack.

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posted August 24, 2007 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
Well i was meaning the actual clove of garlic. Insert like tampon overnight. 2/days or so and wella!... infection gone.

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posted August 26, 2007 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
26T I have nothing but love for you, so I will do my best to phrase my response so that it doesn't seem like a personal attack. Please understand that it is not!

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do believe there have probably been more studies on this, i just havent felt the need to dig them up. The person who gave me the article acted as if this was a well known bit of information

So with all due respect, and you are due a great deal, is this not the definition of ignorance? Or rather, is this not choosing ignorance over education?

I have no knowledge of the person who gave you this article, so I cannot assess him/her or his/her wisdom.

However to assert that this article includes "common knowledge" (or as you phrased it, well known information) must also come under the category of ignorance. That garlic might be toxic is not "common knowledge;" it comes as news to most of us, and I don't have a problem generalizing, and saying that most people would consider garlic to have health benefits. We could do our own polls, asking friends and family the following: "Is garlic a health food, or a poison?" I would bet almost anything that the majority of responses would be "health food." Ergo, not common knowledge (or even knowledge; at this time, for me, the claims of this article remain in question).

Personally, I have read hundreds of health books. Perused myriad websites. Experimented. Etc. Healthy living, including "alternative" healthy, is a passion of mine. And I have never seen another article that supports the claims of the one you posted. That does not necessarily mean that your article is wrong; but at this time, its information remains unsupported.

A quick google search yielded no other articles that make the same claims. Again, that doesn't mean that there aren't any, but I have yet to find them. There are some articles that address issues for specific health issues that are not benefited by garlic, or that garlic in high doses can cause anemia, etc. There are articles about certain people who choose not to consume garlic, like those who practice certain types of yoga, but they list no studies to support their claims. As of yet, I have found nothing that lists garlic as a toxic, poisonous substance.

I would be most interested to read further studies. One caveat: it's important to read all studies knowing who financed them. And it would be best if we could read not just the results, but the means by which the studies were done. "Studies" do not necessarily equate to "scruples." Ethics can be bought and paid for. Just ask any scientist who works for the Pharma industries.

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posted August 26, 2007 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, trillian. Yes, I am ignorant about some things. And I am also blissful about many other things going on in my life right now. I've been educating myself on a number of different subjects lately and garlic has not been one of them.

I'm sorry for not caring to educate myself more on the facts of this article at the present time. I have so much to get done this week and garlic is the last thing on my mind (it's not on my breath either btw. lol )

(will continue in next post)

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posted August 26, 2007 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
The person who presented this article to me, like you, is very educated in health matters. Has experimented, read many books on alternative health etc. So, I thought I should pass the article along. It's that simple. Take the information and do with it what you will. I'm not looking for a debate. But thank you kindly for bringing to light more information on the subject. I'm sure some people here are relieved.

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One caveat: it's important to read all studies knowing who financed them. And it would be best if we could read not just the results, but the means by which the studies were done. "Studies" do not necessarily equate to "scruples." Ethics can be bought and paid for. Just ask any scientist who works for the Pharma industries.

You are right, trillian. I guess I should not have posted the article without doing alot more research...

Any harm done?

Please forgive me that I dont care or have the time to look into this further. I'm moving this week quite a distance away from where I am now and dont have alot of time to do research online.

Hope life is going well for you.


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posted August 26, 2007 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

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posted August 27, 2007 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
And sarcasm is always appropriate. Well done.

I'm sorry I upset you.

Best of luck with your move, and your new life.

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posted August 27, 2007 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks trillian.

You didnt upset me...

Best of luck to you too.


*edit* (the perceived sarcasm was actually just merely me trying to lighten the mood and to say I had nothing further to say on the subject. That's all. Sorry you took it the way you did. )

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posted August 27, 2007 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
*edit again* Oh, I see you edited out a couple of sentences in your last post...


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