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Mannu
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posted December 12, 2007 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
If some one is sick and it manifests on the outside i.e on the physical body then
one must try to alleviate the problems by getting treatment from the outside.

It could be allopathy or homeopathy or ayurveda or going to good shamans etc.

Your body has its own memory and it will respond to any treatment. Just be careful with what methods you chose to apply. Understand the risks of certain techniques. Not all techniques works for your body. Every body is little different and responds differently.

To prevent new diseases from manifesting. One must turn inward. Find the source of the body intelligence. Meditation is for that purpose. People even get healed with sound. An inner transformation happens that prevents newer diseases like cancer, alzeimer, etc.
Do not blame your genes. Good health is a side effect of meditation. But its not the ultimate. You are already pregnant with God. Give birth to yourself.

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BlueRoamer
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posted December 12, 2007 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
You are already pregnant with God. Give birth to yourself.

I'd rather get an abortion.

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Mannu
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posted December 12, 2007 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Well that you can't Mr.
LOL

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Mannu
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posted December 14, 2007 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Actually you can go beyond joy and pain.
Something like all the realized souls like buddha, jesus, achieved.

When I said you can't abort. It means, you are already born. You are living the choices you made in past and its consequence.
You have to become empty as an onion now. Remove one layer after layer of the onion and theres nothing.
Similarly remove all conditioning (social, mental, etc).
There are ways to become like an onion.
You have to understand them and practise them initially. I can't put every thing in to this post can I?
Perhaps you must go within you to find out what spirituality you are attracted towards.
Discover them one by one by experience.

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Mannu
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posted December 17, 2007 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
AND JESUS WENT ABOUT ALL GALILEE, TEACHING IN THEIR SYNAGOGUES, AND PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, AND HEALING ALL MANNER OF SICKNESS AND ALL MANNER OF DISEASE AMONG THE PEOPLE.
This has to be understood in a totally new light -- not the way Christians have been trying but in a totally new light, the new light that modern science has thrown on the phenomenon of disease.
A disease, any disease, first arises deep in the mind and then moves towards the body. It may take a long time to come to the body, it is a long distance. You are not aware of it when it is in the mind, you become aware of it only when it strikes hard at the roots of the body. You always feel the disease in the body, but it always originates in the mind.
You are not aware of it then, so you cannot do anything about it, but when it comes to the body then of course you start seeking a physician, some help. The physician, seeing it in the body, starts treating it in the body. It can be treated in the body -- but then some other disease will arise, because the treatment has not gone to the very source. You have been changing the effect, but not the cause.
If it can be changed in the mind, then the disease will disappear from the body immediately. That's how modern research on hypnosis proves that every disease -- at least in principle -- can be transformed, changed, can be dropped, if the mind is changed. And the vice versa is also true: if the mind is convinced by hypnosis, then disease can be created also.
Just two or three days before, somebody sent me an article of deep significance. One man -- one physician, a doctor in California -- has treated many patients with cancer just through the imagination. This is the first clue which opens the door.... And not one patient, many.
What he does is he simply tells them to imagine -- -if they have cancer of the throat, he tells them to relax and imagine that the whole energy of their body is moving towards the throat, and the gland is being attacked by their energy. Just like arrows from everywhere, all over -- moving towards the throat and attacking the disease. Within three, four or six weeks the gland simply disappears without leaving a trace behind. And cancer is thought to be incurable!
Cancer is a modern disease; it has come because of the stress, tension and anxiety of life. There has, in fact, been no cure for it up to now through the body. If cancer can be treated through the mind, then everything can be treated through the mind.
Jesus' miracles happened because the people were very trusting. Once it happened: he was walking and a woman -- a very poor woman, afraid and apprehensive about whether Jesus would treat her or not, because he was always crowded by so many people -- the woman thought to herself, "Just touch Jesus' garment from behind." She did, and she was cured.
Jesus looked back and the woman started thanking him. She fell at his feet and was very grateful. He said, "Don't be grateful to me, be grateful to God. Your faith has healed you, not I."
The world was deep in trust; people were rooted in faith. Then just the idea that "If Jesus touches my eyes, they will be cured" -- the very idea becomes the root cause of the cure. It is not that Jesus cures; if you are skeptical then Jesus can't help, then he will not be able to cure you.
I was reading a story. One day Jesus was running out of a town. A farmer working in his fields saw him running, so he inquired, "What is the matter? Where are you going?"
But he was in such a hurry that he would not answer. So the farmer followed him, stopped him after a while, and said, "Please tell me, I have become too curious. If you don't tell me, then why you were running will haunt me again and again. Where are you going? From whom are you escaping?"
Jesus said, "From a fool."
The farmer started laughing. He said, "What are you saying? I know well that you have cured blind people, you have cured people who were almost dying -- I have heard that you have cured people who were dead already! Can't you cure a fool? "
Jesus said, "No. I tried, but I can't because he is a fool and he won't believe. I have cured all sorts of illnesses and I have never failed, but with this fool I have failed. He goes on following me and he says, 'Cure me,' but I have tried every way that I know and everything fails. That's why I am escaping from the town."
A fool cannot be cured... and a fool cannot be hypnotized. Ordinarily, amongst the common masses, the idea is prevalent that very intelligent people cannot be hypnotized. That is absolutely wrong. Only fools cannot be hypnotized, idiots cannot be hypnotized, mad people cannot be hypnotized. The greater the
intelligence, the more possibility there is of your going deep into hypnosis -- because in hypnosis your trust is needed, the first requirement is your trust. The first requirement is your cooperation, and an idiot, a madman, cannot cooperate and cannot trust.
Jesus could do miracles. Those miracles were simple; they happened because people were trusting. If you can trust, then the mind starts functioning from within, spreads to the body and changes everything. But if you can't trust, then nothing can help.
Even ordinary medicine helps you because you trust it. There has been an observation that whenever a new medicine is invented it works very well for six months to two years -- people are affected by it -- but after six months, eight months, ten months, it doesn't work so well. Physicians have been worried -- what happens?
Whenever a new medicine is invented you believe in it more than in an old medicine. Now you know the panacea is there "... and I will be helped by it." And you are helped! The trust in a new medicine, a new discovery, helps. They talk about it on TV, on the radio, in the newspapers, and a climate of trust and hope is there. But after a few months, when many people have taken it -- and a few fools have also taken it, which cannot be helped -- then a suspicion arises, because this man has taken the medicine and nothing happened. These fools then create an anti-climate, and after a while the medicine loses its effect.
Even more than medicine, the physician helps if you trust him. Have you watched that whenever you are ill and the doctor comes, if you trust the doctor then you feel relief just by his coming? He has not given any medicine up to now. He has just been checking your body -- blood pressure, this and that -- and already you feel that fifty percent of the disease is gone. A man you can trust has come. Now there is no need to carry the burden on yourself. You can leave it to him and he will see to it. But if you don't trust the physician, he cannot do anything.
In medicine, they call a certain false medicine 'placebo'. It is just water -- or something which has nothing to do with the illness -- but if it is given to you by a physician you trust, it helps as much as the real medicine; there is no difference. Mind is more powerful than matter; mind is more powerful than the body.

- Osho talks

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Mannu
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posted December 17, 2007 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
AND JESUS WENT ABOUT ALL GALILEE, TEACHING IN THEIR SYNAGOGUES, AND PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, AND HEALING ALL MANNER OF SICKNESS AND ALL MANNER OF DISEASE AMONG THE PEOPLE.
AND HIS FAME WENT THROUGHOUT ALL SYRIA: AND THEY BROUGHT UNTO HIM ALL SICK PEOPLE THAT WERE TAKEN WITH DIVERS DISEASES AND TORMENTS, AND THOSE WHICH WERE POSSESSED WITH
DEVILS, AND THOSE WHICH WERE LUNATICK, AND THOSE THAT HAD THE PALSY; AND HE HEALED THEM.
AND THERE FOLLOWED HIM GREAT MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE FROM GALILEE, AND FROM DECAPOLIS, AND FROM JERUSALEM, AND FROM JUDAEA, AND FROM BEYOND JORDAN.
Jesus was less a teacher and more a healer. A healer not only of the body, not only of the mind, but of the soul also. He was a physician, a physician of the soul. That's what every Master has to be.
You are divided within yourself, you are fragmentary, you are not whole. If you become whole, you will be healed. If the tensions for the future and the accumulated tensions of the past disappear from within you, you will be healed, your wounds will disappear. If you can be in the present you will be whole, fully alive, utterly alive, and a deep delight will happen to you.
Jesus is not a philosopher, teaching some dogma to people. He is a physician. not a philosopher. He is trying to teach trust and if trust happens, everything becomes possible. He goes on saying: "If you have faith, faith can move mountains." It may not be the mountains that exist outside, but the mountains of ignorance, the mountains of ugliness, the mountains of unconsciousness that exist within. He does not have a creed, a dogma. He is, rather, releasing a healing force through himself. His whole effort is to help you to return to God. That's why he said, "Don't be thankful towards me. Thank God."
Then, too, he says, "Your faith has healed you." Not even God can help to heal you -- only your faith. His insistence is on faith. And remember the distinction between belief and faith: belief is in an idea; faith is in total reality, faith is a reverence for the whole. Belief is of the mind; faith is of your totality.
When you believe in God, you believe in the God of philosophers. When you believe in God, God is an idea, a doctrine. It can be proved or disproved and it will not transform you. But if you have faith, it has already transformed you. I will not say that it WILL transform you. If you have faith, it has ALREADY transformed you.
Faith knows no future, it is immediately effective. But faith is not of the head. When you have faith, you have faith in your blood, in your bones, in your marrow, in your heart. In your whole being, you have faith. A man of faith is a man of God.
Jesus' whole effort is how to bring you back home. Yes, God is shouting through him: "Enthrone me! " If you have faith, you will become available and God will be enthroned in you. That is the only way of being blissful. Unless God is enthroned in you, you will remain a beggar, you will remain poor, you will remain ill. You will never be whole and healthy, and you will never know the ecstasy of existence. You will never be able to dance and laugh and sing, and just be.
Only if God is enthroned in you -- that means if you are dethroned and God is enthroned. So there is this choice, the greatest choice that ever encounters man: either to continue yourself on the throne... or dethrone yourself, and let God come in.

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Mannu
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posted December 17, 2007 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
I saw an episode of Dr House featuring a deep sea diver deciding to travel on an airplane....

Dr House says the same "Mind controls the body". Whoa!! a doctor saying that LOL

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Mannu
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posted December 17, 2007 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
See one thing that bothers me deeply is the cruely we inflict on lab mices in the name of science. Killing innocent mices and frogs, and other animals.


Can we take allopathy drug remembering how countless animals were used as guinea pigs? i.e consciously?

But where is God isn't?
When we use homepathy treatment, are we not cutting leaves (limbs) of trees, roots (and therefore killing them)

Anyhow, will revisit this post.

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hippichick
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posted December 21, 2007 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
I am an ICU RN and totally agree with mind-body medicine.

The hard part is to get someone focused and centered enough to cure themselves and eventually not mainfest inner turmoil as dis-ease.

I have worked on this myself for SO long and am far from there.

I just finished an Osho book on mind-body dis-ease---good read!!!

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