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SunChild
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posted March 10, 2013 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLU51fsQ8M

I actually AGREE with everything he said (in the first half of the video) because it is IDENTICAL to the place I came to after being raw and throttling myself back to a cooked whole foods diet (50/50 raw)

My personal reasons are that I am setting an example to my children, I feed them a cooked whole food diets (I don't care whether a raw foodist thinks I'm poisoning them,) I am infact, doing the opposite, exposing their immune systems and programming their body for the type of diet that is maintainable in their adulthood, 100% raw food is not.

The other reason is that I didn't want them so "pure" and growing up on just raw food because they will be susceptible and have reactions and sensitives to foods that they will inevitably come into contact with at parties ect...
I've seen 100% skinny raw food children become ill at someone giving them a biscuit (half of which is probably psychological.) Like a fear toward anything cooked. Fear is not a healthy attribute.

For me, why I decided to stop being a 100% raw was because it was impossible during pregnancy- this was wisdom speaking to me, if it wasn't sustainable during pregnancy then what does that say to the human being?

Most people when they go on a rawfood diet lose a lot of weight and most of them are skinny, what they don't tell you, is that it actually makes it easier to get fat if you slightly change your diet.

That brings me to my next reason, I have to watch the quantity of food I eat now because no matter how healthy my meal is I can easily put on weight by eating vegetables, fruit and rice if I am snacking all day (on fruit/nuts/juices.) The amount of food I eat NOW made me skinny back in 2002, now I have to eat less because my body has changed and I easily put weight on. If I gave my diet to someone who was overweight and eating a standard australian diet they would drop most of their weight. My tolerance/standard has changed.
It's like a few raw foodists I know who can put on weight if they eat avocados so they don't. My online friend's weight used to go up and down all the time and she was forced to eat less and less raw food to maintain the weight.

^^This may seem illogical and absurd at first, but makes total sense after experiencing this phenomena.

A raw food diet is a great healing tool and weight loss aid but it isn't a permanent fix, just by adding in some steamed roots, rice, whole food gluten free vegan meals, ect... is much more sustainable and balancing. Better for the brain, not to mention making sure you get enough good fats (which is hard when you are strict)

I have a few opinions about the second half of the video, much of which I agree with & i'll post it shortly.

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posted March 11, 2013 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The second half reminds me why I have put 100% raw foods on hold because I know where it's going to take me (spiritually,) I will have to move to the hills (clean air) pretty much and live a different life- which I can not do now. It's a vibrational thing- if I make myself as "CLEAN AS POSSIBLE" I can not do it in suburbia because of the SENSITIVITY To toxins, car fumes, not much organic food ect...
If I become too strict with raw, too clean, I become allergic to the air, my whole body becomes so awkwardly sensitive to smells and the environment, anyone who has done this for more than a year knows what I am talking about.

Though healing, cleansing, and then maintaing 'with' raw foods is wiser IMO.

In perspective, there's no harm going raw for a few months to a year though, really, or longer- it's more the long time affects I am talking about. Just to be sure. Because you have to be sure that is what YOU want.
I still have all raw days and it heals my body from colds/flu/viral infections/bacteria ect. .. good for healing


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posted March 11, 2013 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll check out your video later and will reply. I'm very interested in this topic right now, as I'm seriously considering doing intensive cleansing this spring. I thought of trying 80-10-10 (fruitarian) or just a monofruit diet (grapefruit, maybe) for as long as I can stomach it.

But I agree with you, I don't think all raw is the healthiest approach for long-time health, for all people. SOME people can do it. Like this woman:

70 Year Old Raw Foodist Looks 40

But I spent Saturday night watching video after video of raw foodists, and I have to say, many of them have voices that wobble sometimes and sound like ill health to me. Kate Magic Wood, for example...I have her book out from the library and looked her up on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP-N4tjzXgw

^If I heard her voice without knowing who she is, I'd think she is either upset about something and trying to hide it (she may be, who knows), or sick, because of how I interpret her voice. This may not be clear to everyone, or it may, I don't know.

Also, I love macrobiotics and love all the medical benefits inherent in brown rice, for instance. It's satisfying to eat and balances my system...why abandon it? Maybe for short-term cleansing, but I see no valid reason to quit it permanently.

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posted March 11, 2013 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,
Research Matt and Angela Monarch like SC mentioned.
Also see: http://rawfoodrehab.ning.com/ for some ideas for raw meals and sweets.

I personally don't subscribe to anything extreme. Your body can usually tell you what it wants. Just try to eat the cleanest and freshest whole foods you can find, even meat.

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posted March 12, 2013 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ OK! Thanks for the link, yin.

I watched the video! Very, very helpful~ thank you for posting it and commenting, SunChild.

It all makes sense to me...even with the little bit of progression I've made to about 50% raw now, I am detoxifying in a bad way (ugh, do I have to start colonics? ) but feeling just a little more receptive to cosmic vibration...a tiny bit more receptive, but it's noticeable and I'm thrilled about it.

As for the sensitivities, I am fortunate to own a rural property, but we are only there half the year...I've been arguing with my husband for years about whether or not to move there permanently. I hope the raw food gives me magical persuasive powers or somehow helps me fix this problem.

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posted March 12, 2013 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Havent watched it yet, but really loved what you said and your new realization. !!!

You just get cooler and wiser over time, SC.

Everything you said makes alot of sense.

I remember a guy I knew in my teens who was raised vegan and when he got into his teens and started going out with friends, tried a hamburger once and got extremely sick and it took awhile for him to recover. I'm not for or against people's choice in that regard, but it seemed his system was so pure that it actually made him weaker. Would write more details, but you pretty much summed it up.

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posted March 13, 2013 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow thanks T.

I try not to be limited by beliefs or believe anything any more, I do know that every choice has a consequence and it takes wisdom to see that and not a fancy set of beliefs.

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posted March 14, 2013 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I make my own Path, as should we all.

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posted March 14, 2013 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SunChild:

I try not to be limited by beliefs or believe anything any more, I do know that every choice has a consequence and it takes wisdom to see that and not a fancy set of beliefs.


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posted March 14, 2013 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by T:
I remember a guy I knew in my teens who was raised vegan and when he got into his teens and started going out with friends, tried a hamburger once and got extremely sick and it took awhile for him to recover. I'm not for or against people's choice in that regard, but it seemed his system was so pure that it actually made him weaker.

I've observed the same and have been pondering the issue on and off for a while. Would a 'pure' body be hypersensitive to poison, or should it be better able to assimilate posion?

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posted March 14, 2013 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
I make my own Path, as should we all.

Still following the Fit for Life program, Randall? Been ages since I read the books, but to this day I can't manage to eat anything but fruit first thing in the morning.

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posted March 15, 2013 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have always thought with toxins and poisons, including things like alcohol-- a tolerance is built over time, or lack of, which indicates how well the poison can be assimilated.

When I moved back into the suburbs from the country I became unwell from the polluted air, though after time, I adjusted, same with different types of food and substances like alcohol. Different amounts of exposure over time meant that we can tolerate more and more (sometimes not in a good way.) I know of some people who inject small amounts of venom into their blood to become immune to that venom over time. Most of the time it is effective. Everything we expose ourselves to educates our Immune system. We want a smart one, not a retarded Immune system.

A person who is robust with a good amount of fat cells usually can handle more toxicity, and a lot of it is stored in the fat to keep it away from vital organs. Not so lucky if too skinny. Robust /something to grab on to can be helpful.

Now please correct me if I am wrong, but I do remember that smokers for example, may be more immune to certain infections, especially viral because the coating on their lungs protects them from some infections and not only that, if the flu is around they are less likely to experience a Cytokine storm.

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posted March 15, 2013 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, I actually have been watching Kate Magic for a few years, I had the same feeling for a while but it seems she is quite quirky, perhaps a melancholic temperament.

Thanks for your replies, I'll respond more in depth as I can, I get five minutes here and there.

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posted March 15, 2013 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fit For Life 2 has some interesting insights; however, I do reject their food combining hypothesis.

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posted March 15, 2013 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Yin:

Also see: http://rawfoodrehab.ning.com/ for some ideas for raw meals and sweets.

Oooo I love this!

"FullyRaw Carrot Cupcakes with Orange Vanilla Cream Frosting" does it get any better??
http://rawfoodrehab.ning.com/forum/topics/fullyraw-carrot-cupcakes-with-orange-vanilla-cream-frosting

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posted March 18, 2013 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shura, i've pondered the same.

They say Love cures all. lol

We are all headed for the same ending. Might as well make the best of it before we shed these skins.

All i know is I don't want to go through life trying to be uber pure. It's too much work and there's tons of better things to do. Just be/eat healthy in the best way you know how. No need to take it to extremes. The love-stuff is more important.

Pray over the "impure" crap. It's all the same flesh and bone, moth and rust....

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SC, I also don't think city life has been doing me good, for a number of reasons. Mostly the noise I really don't like being woken up to loud noises (i'm very sensitive to them) and hope to someday live somewhere more peaceful where i can wake up to birds chirping, rather than engines revving and cars driving by. Noise pollution, honking, beeping, yelling ....non peaceful sounds....to me they are the worst.

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posted March 18, 2013 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal"

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posted March 18, 2013 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel bad for anyone living in the city who is sensitive to noise pollution.

My little bit of experience with raw food eating is, that it seems to generate its own momentum. I feel great when I've eaten raw all day, so there is a deterrent against wanting to "kill my buzz" with something cooked.

After going through this over the past few weeks, repeatedly, I think I can see how people end up going all raw~ not so much from a doctrinal conviction but from their certainty about how foods affect them.

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posted March 18, 2013 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Fit For Life 2 has some interesting insights; however, I do reject their food combining hypothesis.

same here

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posted March 18, 2013 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Shura, i've pondered the same.

They say Love cures all. lol

We are all headed for the same ending. Might as well make the best of it before we shed these skins.

All i know is I don't want to go through life trying to be uber pure. It's too much work and there's tons of better things to do. Just be/eat healthy in the best way you know how. No need to take it to extremes. The love-stuff is more important.

Pray over the "impure" crap. It's all the same flesh and bone, moth and rust....



Indeed. However, I would prefer my last ten years not be spent in a diaper and wheelchair. But if that is my fate .... amor fati.

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posted March 18, 2013 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SunChild:
I have always thought with toxins and poisons, including things like alcohol-- a tolerance is built over time, or lack of, which indicates how well the poison can be assimilated.

When I moved back into the suburbs from the country I became unwell from the polluted air, though after time, I adjusted, same with different types of food and substances like alcohol. Different amounts of exposure over time meant that we can tolerate more and more (sometimes not in a good way.) I know of some people who inject small amounts of venom into their blood to become immune to that venom over time. Most of the time it is effective. Everything we expose ourselves to educates our Immune system. We want a smart one, not a retarded Immune system.

A person who is robust with a good amount of fat cells usually can handle more toxicity, and a lot of it is stored in the fat to keep it away from vital organs. Not so lucky if too skinny. Robust /something to grab on to can be helpful.

Now please correct me if I am wrong, but I do remember that smokers for example, may be more immune to certain infections, especially viral because the coating on their lungs protects them from some infections and not only that, if the flu is around they are less likely to experience a Cytokine storm.


Oh, gosh there's so much here. I think you're half my age, SunChild, but still 5 steps ahead.

I have considered the old trick of ingesting poison at a slowly increasing rate to confer immunity. Arsenic and snake venom, as you said, are popular examples.

Fat stores ... yes! This is good. Toxins are stored in body fat. I've seen and experienced for myself this supposed "die-off" - those mulitple health issues so often experienced when changing our diet for the better. I think the problem here is not so much the many years worth of accumulated toxins themselves but the body's lack of detox pathways. ie those toxins are rerouted to even less desireable locations (the brain, for instance) rather than eliminated, hence the sick feeling. But I suppose that's another story.

Retarded immune systems are a huge issue for me, as well. Vaccines, leaky guts, antibiotic overuse, germ phobia. Some how this plays a part. When I, with my history of vaccines, fever reducers, and anitbiotis, get a cold it lasts a week and it's moderate to severe. My son (no vax, no anitbiotics) gets the same cold it's mild, he runs a fever usually the second day which nicely burns off the germ, and by the third day the cold is gone. It's fascinating to watch the different response from his functioning immune system and my old crappy one.

About raw food ... I tried a few raw vegan 'fasts' before my pregnancy, and am so glad I did. I did the same 2 years ago during a health scare, which happily turned out to be not as scary as I feared, but I'm still happy I went raw for a brief period. Over time, I've come to think of raw veganism as a cleanse or a means of therapy rather than a fulltime diet. Read this yesterday and was so surprised. I've been reading her blog for a while. I'm seeing more and more of this: http://kristensraw.com/blog/2013/03/17/my-vegan-diet-cau sed-health-problems-would-primal-paleo-or-real-food-be-better/

So is a healthy body akin to the canary in the mineshaft? Maybe. I can't help but wander back to the idea that a truly healthy body should be able to withstand a hit. I don't know.

That's interesting about smokers. Haven't come across that before. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

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posted March 18, 2013 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Indeed. However, I would prefer my last ten years not be spent in a diaper and wheelchair. But if that is my fate .... amor fati.


Yeah, I hear you.

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