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Ceres_Moon
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posted September 29, 2015 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I constantly have them. I am a pretty fit person. Lots of kettlebells, cycling and walking - so I don't think I've got poor circulation due to a lack of activity - but my fingers and toes are always popsicles.

I am genetically predisposed to low blood pressure - and I know that when I'm hungry I feel colder until I do eat.

I read once that people who don't get enough fat and carbs can get cold hands and feet - but I feel like I get plenty of those too - Lol.

Any tips or suggestions?

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posted September 29, 2015 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Take cayenne pills (I pack my own in size "0" Vege Caps) and eat it on food if you can handle it. My tolerance for spicy is low so I like the capsules. Take 2 a day with food.
Cayenne is a herb and does not burn or irritate the lining of the stomach as some other hot peppers do. It is completely safe to use and great for this.

Herbal books also recommend deep breathing exercises particularly outdoor combined with outdoor exercise.

Cold towel rubs or coarse dry towel rubs are recommended, as well as massage (including self massage)

These herbs are also beneficial to circulation: Gentian root, skullcap, peppermint, spearmint, catnip, rue, valerian, vervain. I would recommend checking with your local herbal shop for premade teas or tinctures of these combinations/ for this purpose.

Many herbal teas need to be steeped covered for 15-30 minutes in order for the herbal properties to be fully extracted. I think I may make a thread about this.

Good luck!

The cayenne and exercise helps me a lot.

Also consider checking your iron/b12 levels as being low on these can also contribute.

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posted September 29, 2015 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try taking an iron supplement. Make sure it's not in ferrous sulfate form. If that's the issue, you will know quickly. It will only take a few days.

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posted September 29, 2015 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I take iron supplements and I would recommend either liquid iron (Floravit is a really great one) or iron chelate (or chelated iron, goes by both names).

Some people have issues with constipation with iron supplements, I don't have that issue with these kinds.

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posted September 30, 2015 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah - thanks for this. I actually have Floradix tablets here and I hadn't even thought about iron as a cause of this. I will see what impact that has.
I also had been putting cayenne pepper on my food a lot - but never knew you could get in encapsulated. Also very interesting! I tend to sway towards the Kapha dosha as well (hence all my physical exercise to keep me in balance) - so that cayenne pepper in a pill form sounds like it could be a really good way to go.

Thanks again!

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posted September 30, 2015 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah - thanks for this. I actually have Floradix tablets here and I hadn't even thought about iron as a cause of this. I will see what impact that has.
I also had been putting cayenne pepper on my food a lot - but never knew you could get in encapsulated. Also very interesting! I tend to sway towards the Kapha dosha as well (hence all my physical exercise to keep me in balance) - so that cayenne pepper in a pill form sounds like it could be a really good way to go.

Thanks again!

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posted September 30, 2015 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apart from iron and b12 also check thyroid function and minerals levels in the body.

All the best

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posted September 30, 2015 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Apart from iron and b12 also check thyroid function and minerals levels in the body.

All the best


Hi Aries - how can I check my mineral levels? Is that done with a blood test?
I know that since moving from Australia to The Netherlands - I was totally decimated by the lack of vitamin D. Once I got on supplements...that helped with many things.
Could still being too low in D be effecting my circulation? I guess not - but it was such a profound change to go from SUN 365 to RAIN and clouds 3/4 of the year. Also, I went from a hot dry climate (which was a good balance for my kapha) to a cold and damp one. Extremely damp...

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posted September 30, 2015 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
... also check thyroid function

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posted September 30, 2015 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put some iodine on your skin. It should stay for 24 hours. If it's gone in a few hours, it's your thyroid.

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posted October 02, 2015 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, I'm going back on my whole foods vitamin and Floradix. I eat so much fresh food that I really didn't think I would be short on anything - but I had a blanket over me all day yesterday while I was walking around, and at dinner last night people were saying, "oh it's so warm in here!" and it was the first time all day I felt comfortable without 3 layers.
I'm also going to look online for cayenne pills because that sounds like a great thing to try too.
I'll give this all a go for a couple of weeks and see if I get an improvement.
My workouts are as vigorous as ever and I feel fine other than the cold thing.

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posted October 02, 2015 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can be eating the best of the best diet, but if you are genetically predisposed towards thyroid problems, and you go through the extremes that you have in your life, something in all that could activate the problem.

Also, in astrology, you could have a transit that would spark it.

Some persons with Taurus on 6th House cusp are prone to thyroid problems. Also Taurus on 3rd House cusp.

Venus, and afflictions to Venus (especially from Saturn).

Are you a Capricorn? or heavy Capricorn houses? Aquarius rules circulatory systems. Is your Venus in Aquarius or progressed to Aquarius?

Pluto is supposed to rule over the endocrine system too.

I'm looking at a wellness book by Diane Cramer who specializes in astrology and nutrition. When the Thyroid malfunctions, she suggests Fruit juice, vitamin A, iodine, zinc, kelp, manganese, seaweed. Swiss chard, watercress, broccoli, mushrooms, spinach, red cabbage, potato skins.

Having something go wrong with your body doesn't mean you're a bad person, or that you're not a healthy eater or a dysfunctional fitness expert or anything like that. Things happen that are DNA-based, and triggered by environmental and psychological stressors at times. (I think astrological transits can play a big part.)

I'll keep poking around some of my books here. I don't know if you've posted your chart anywhere yet? I'm not a professionally trained astrologer yet (I hope to get certified some day.) I like Medical astrology a lot, and since I'm almost a certified hypochondriac LOL (~oy, the stress-levels I've been under this past decade was making my body go nuts), I've got pretty good inklings about some of the astrology behind some things. The books seem very generic... but when you know the basics you can make some good hunches.

I've had thyroid problems that began to manifest when I was a young teen, but it didn't show up on tests until they invented the 'sensitive' tests for it.

By the time of my 1st Saturn return, I had just given birth to my first child, and my lower neck looked like there was a rope around it (goiter). At my daughter's christening, one of my brothers had been dating a nurse, and she pointed at my neck and said, I'd get that checked if I were you. Doctor told me my body was ready to go into shock at that point. Took about 5 years before the thyroid medicine really started to do its job.

If you are starting thyroid problems, get it taken care of while it's small. Thyroid problems also cause miscarriages too.

I'd had lifelong body-temp issues, ie. feeling cold, which is a symptom of underactive thyroid. Can also surreptitiously mess up your emotions without your being aware that it's physically-based.

Hope you feel better soon... It's going to be winter where you live. Need to take care of you.

{{Stay warm...}}

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posted October 03, 2015 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
You can be eating the best of the best diet, but if you are genetically predisposed towards thyroid problems, and you go through the extremes that you have in your life, something in all that could activate the problem.

Also, in astrology, you could have a transit that would spark it.

Some persons with Taurus on 6th House cusp are prone to thyroid problems. Also Taurus on 3rd House cusp.

Venus, and afflictions to Venus (especially from Saturn).

Are you a Capricorn? or heavy Capricorn houses? Aquarius rules circulatory systems. Is your Venus in Aquarius or progressed to Aquarius?

Pluto is supposed to rule over the endocrine system too.

I'm looking at a wellness book by Diane Cramer who specializes in astrology and nutrition. When the Thyroid malfunctions, she suggests Fruit juice, vitamin A, iodine, zinc, kelp, manganese, seaweed. Swiss chard, watercress, broccoli, mushrooms, spinach, red cabbage, potato skins.

Having something go wrong with your body doesn't mean you're a bad person, or that you're not a healthy eater or a dysfunctional fitness expert or anything like that. Things happen that are DNA-based, and triggered by environmental and psychological stressors at times. (I think astrological transits can play a big part.)

I'll keep poking around some of my books here. I don't know if you've posted your chart anywhere yet? I'm not a professionally trained astrologer yet (I hope to get certified some day.) I like Medical astrology a lot, and since I'm almost a certified hypochondriac LOL (~oy, the stress-levels I've been under this past decade was making my body go nuts), I've got pretty good inklings about some of the astrology behind some things. The books seem very generic... but when you know the basics you can make some good hunches.

I've had thyroid problems that began to manifest when I was a young teen, but it didn't show up on tests until they invented the 'sensitive' tests for it.

By the time of my 1st Saturn return, I had just given birth to my first child, and my lower neck looked like there was a rope around it (goiter). At my daughter's christening, one of my brothers had been dating a nurse, and she pointed at my neck and said, I'd get that checked if I were you. Doctor told me my body was ready to go into shock at that point. Took about 5 years before the thyroid medicine really started to do its job.

If you are starting thyroid problems, get it taken care of while it's small. Thyroid problems also cause miscarriages too.

I'd had lifelong body-temp issues, ie. feeling cold, which is a symptom of underactive thyroid. Can also surreptitiously mess up your emotions without your being aware that it's physically-based.

Hope you feel better soon... It's going to be winter where you live. Need to take care of you.

{{Stay warm...}}


Mirage - wow - thank you! Siting here reading this, i remembered that my mother actually had a thyroid disorder. I had just not remembered that. She even ended up having a goiter and a tumor removed. I was only about 10 at the time, but your note brought back the memory of my dad driving her to the hospital.

So...I'm going to make an appointment with my doctor to ask about this. Over the past year or two, my feeling of being tired and cold has been gradually increasing. I sit in my own house with the heat on and wrapped in a blanket when everyone else can wear a t-shirt. And yes, had a miscarriage in April and I just thought I was still feeling emotionally wobbly because of that or the changes in my cycle since then. But now I'm really wondering about thyroid!

I looked online though, and the treatment is synthetic hormones. Is that the only way? Are there natural remedies? Although I guess I wouldn't want to take any risks as we are trying to conceive and I wouldn't want to put me or a baby at risk.

Looking back, also suspect my mom had thyroid related post-partum with my younger sister- because she was really unwell for years after my sister was born and within 5 she had the tumor. It was benign - they removed it and she was fine - but yeah, I had just totally forgotten about all that.

Really interesting. Thank you so much! I will keep you posed!

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posted October 03, 2015 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and yes, I am a Taurus 3rd house cusp and a Cappy moon.

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posted October 03, 2015 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage you are an asset to this forum and community, taking time to reveal personal experience and share research that is truthful and helpful, and obviously very appreciated By Ceres Moon

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posted October 03, 2015 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Ceres Moon: after reading above, I'm wondering if you have taken time to think about your life in terms of sensual responsibility? Perhaps this is an issue that may offer healing at the non-physical Levels? I'm not suggesting anything personal here, just evaluating the astrology mentioned above and the spiritual Correspondence to the physical issues.

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posted October 03, 2015 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
@ Ceres Moon: after reading above, I'm wondering if you have taken time to think about your life in terms of sensual responsibility? Perhaps this is an issue that may offer healing at the non-physical Levels? I'm not suggesting anything personal here, just evaluating the astrology mentioned above and the spiritual Correspondence to the physical issues.

Hi Pluto, what is that?

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posted October 04, 2015 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 11, 2015 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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{{ }}

Just wanted to post an update. My exploration into cold hands and feet...and a week away to take some time out to reflect... and I realised that I'd slipped back into a bad habit the past couple of months with refined sugar.

Really, I feel like I can trace almost all of my healthy issues back to using (not even realising I'm doing it) refined sugar and gluten as a way to numb out when things are painful. And then this leads to one problem after another until I start to notice symptoms I can't ignore anymore.

Back on my supplements (Floradix, Vit D, Maca, whole foods vitamin) the sugar and gluten are out of the house and I gave myself space while I was away to grieve some very painful things that happened over the past 6 months that I'd been pushing down.

I am feeling better already, even after just a week off the sugar/gluten, and back on my supplements. I already exercise a lot and we eat a whole foods organic diet as it is. But that sugar thing...whew... really can do a number on me very fast. I am able to see a real connection for me between pain and sugar.

I'm still going to get my thyroid levels checked - but already this has been such an eye-opener. Thanks again for so openly sharing!

I'm still wondering what sensual responsibility is!

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posted October 14, 2015 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gluten doesn't bother me, but I totally understand.

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posted October 15, 2015 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you were consuming great quantities and amounts of sugar every day, I can understand the possible health risk.

You know that from time to time there are transits that only-temporarily increase your desire for sweets? I think Venus and Jupiter were involved with that-- (can't recall right now).

What I don't understand is whether the tie you make to eating (some, not gobs-of) sugar with being or getting sick is part of hyper-awareness health-trends right now? I'm not sure how correct this is, but I think I've read that having too much millett in your diet can affect your thyroid levels (adversely). But not all doctors have the mind to ask a patient about their eating of grains-- herbs now yes, grains no. People think that if you're eating health foods, then it's all good, when even health foods can be the offending trigger for certain imbalances.

Just another thought..... How do you know that your body isn't obeying what thoughts you hold while you're consuming the guilty 'sinful' substance?

And, might you actually have a touch of a food-disorder you haven't considered yet, too?..... I say this because of your careful attention to detail of your food. (Could just be your 'nervousness' though.... )

You mentioned the miscarriage before {{ }} ~ I understand a little about the pain of having bonded then losing (but tg, it wasn't past the 5th month. I can imagine that being horribly worse.)

Part of your emotions being all jumbled and trying to process that loss, (plus the loss of friends when you relocated), PLUS the hormone-shifts. all have GOT to be hard and most-unfair. Being in a new geog region, away from the comforts of what is familiar while you go through this is tough. And the vibrational-energy of the region you moved to may not be optimum for you? Adds to the alienation, perhaps?

I hope you'll some good people move into your vicinity. Good thing to have the internet... I know how important THAT has been in my own situation.

From 1970s through the 1990s, I was one of those 'purist' Adele Davis, Rodale Farms (etc) health enthusiasts. In fact, after a while of my body being on perfect natural organic foods, I found that when I went to eat a simple piece of typical junk fast-food dining out with my college friends, that my body reacted very strongly against it.

After a row of incidents like that, I decided to 'innoculate' myself with eating regular type of junkfood once a week so that my body would know how to handle itself. Was really quite surprising to me.

It will be interesting what your blood tests reveal. The thyroid gland is the mastergland to balance. Many depressions are suffered by persons with thyroid deficiencies.

And the question about chemical versus natural sources? ... I looked into that. If you have only mild symptoms there's an animal-substance in a pill you can take for supplement {not sure but I think it's ground-up pig thyroid? maybe?} (healthfood stores do carry these-- but I don't know about your geog region.)

They found that the synthetic hormone does fine. I went through my third pregnancy (2nd child) while on this. I almost lost her at around the 5th month mark, but afterwards she did fine. The baby doesn't get 'too much' of the hormone because it makes up for 'what is missing' in the mother's system.

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posted October 16, 2015 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi Mirage

Yeah, all of these factors to do with life changes have been difficult, but the years preceding them were so much worse - that I didn't even really think about it. In 2011 I got a divorce and left Australia (I'd been there since 2006). moved to Turkey, all around Europe, back to the US - was just all over the place from 2011 - 2014 when I finally got my Dutch visa. Very difficult time.
So just having a home, a great marriage, good job - all of that is like "great!" haha.

well, I don't normally eat great gobs of sugar, but over the past couple of months, (not now, I have stopped) I was. I didn't even realise what I was doing it until I stopped to think about it, because I was pretty down about some issues with my sister/family and just numbing out. Bread, pastries, candy, cookies. Actually, when I think about what I was eating everyday, I can't even believe it. It was not like me at all to just sit there and cram refined sugar and bread/pastry like that. It was like I just checked out and went onto some kind of autopilot.

And then I was getting colder and colder, more and more tired, feeling like a brain fog. it was like being in glue. I guess I needed that for a while because the things going on were too painful so rather than drink or do drugs I just ate all this sugar and crap daily.

I'm still eating sugar now, just not refined sugar. And I've cut out the cookies and pastries for now and white bread etc. Within a week I felt better, although I'm going through sugar withdrawal now, which feels pretty awful. It's like having a constant stomach ache that will only go away if I eat white bread or candy or something. Which I don't, but it's that kind of gnawing feeling.

I don't think I have a food disorder...but I am pretty aware of food lately - because of how my body has been feeling. And it's also true that I'm hyper-aware in general. I'm not really into food fads, but we generally only eat real food in our house. No packaged or processed foods. We cook every night from scratch. But that's also because we enjoy it. My husband is a Taurus, and he's been eating he same food his entire life, so our dinner and weekend food routines are very stable and don't change. Lots of vegetables, fish, brown rice, soups, stews, salads, and yes even meat and potatoes sometimes!

There may still be an underlying genetic condition, but I don't think my eating habits the past couple of months helped.
Once I came out of my sugar stupor, I was able to start processing and dealing with some of the stuff going on.

My sister is at death's door because she DOES have a really severe eating disorder for over 10 years now and no one is helping her - least of all herself. It all landed in my lap when it reached a crisis point in August, but she doesn't really want help. Maybe a part of me was eating all that stuff because she won't eat a thing.
She's meant to go into a hospitalised treatment centre at the end of next week and I just hope she makes it. There's only so much you can do for a person who hasn't decided for themselves that they want to live.

Astrologically, my being in the netherlands puts an emphasis on family matters. Since I've moved here, family issues have been high. Good ones - like my marriage and more difficult ones, like my sister and some of my extended family relocating here (by coincidence) who I don't get along with at all. They are Christian missionaries and i work in the paranormal and healing fields. They give me the complete creeps.

I also recently threw out my ovulation kit, apps any of that stuff. It's not that we're giving up - it's just that it felt better to stop focusing on it. Right now my body and I have some kind of resolution to come to and it actually did not feel good to consider putting my body through anything further at this time.

Good to hear that you had your children and that they are healthy and well!

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posted October 17, 2015 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sugar is in a lot of things you might not guess it to be in...and in amounts you might find shocking.

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posted October 30, 2015 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are your hands and feet staying warmer now?

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