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LuckyLeo
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posted April 20, 2021 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all,
I don’t know if any of you feel the same way as I do about these new vaccines. They scare me and I feel that they are just too brand new to be using on millions of people right away. Knowing that they are not even fully approved by the FDA yet and only approved under Emergency Use Authorization makes me wish we were all taking things a bit slower. My heart is so heavy about this. Members of my family now want to take it, and they have already scheduled their appointments. I am sick, just sick, over this.

Of course I understand that it’s their decision to make, but I feel it’s my responsibility to try to get a message across. I am only trying to get them to wait just a few more months and make their decision then but they are not willing to.

The fear campaign has been so successful and the brainwashing of even normally intelligent people has been so effective.

What can I present to them to try to stop them from proceeding with this irreversible treatment? Can you post your best links and information that might deter someone from getting this vaccine at this time? Although many doctors are speaking out about their concerns, they are always labeled as quacks.

I am so sad over this. Please help if you can.

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Randall
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posted April 20, 2021 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m more worried about how easily people gave up their rights.

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LuckyLeo
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posted April 20, 2021 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m worried about that too. Especially when it comes to vaccine mandates/passports.

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posted April 21, 2021 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed.

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mirage29
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posted April 21, 2021 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLeo:
... They scare me and I feel that they are just too brand new to be using on millions of people right away. Knowing that they are not even fully approved by the FDA yet and only approved under Emergency Use Authorization makes me wish we were all taking things a bit slower. My heart is so heavy about this.

. . . .
I am only trying to get them to wait just a few more months and make their decision then but they are not willing to.


Your older Loved Ones are in a race right now--
There is deliberate misinformation and conspiracy STILL being spread about Covid. This network of LIES is its own kind of toxic infection. Source of added stress.

The Elderly
80% of DEATHS happen in age group over 65;
I think I heard they now include warnings
if you are 50 years old and up.

If your parents are Elderly (or over 50yrs) then they WOULD be especially concerned for maintaining their life by seeking to be vaccinated now more than ever.

Some States
Since governors of some States threw away safety protocols for the general public, if you live or travel to *their* States, you very well MAY become unknowingly Infected. These places are filthy cesspools. The authorities there like to 'hide' (disguise) health statistics from public knowledge.
.. If you are immune-compromised, or Elderly, and not vaccinated, a visit to those regions put you at higher risk of illness or death should you choose (or be wedged) to have to be there.
.. A few weeks ago I heard of a couple that came to the Disney Attractions (FL) to attend a business meeting {they did business with them}. They were clean of infection when they entered the State, and when they got home the COVID had infected their body.

The passport programs would give Peace of mind, and ability to lower stress among people who have worked together (in cooperation) to stop/severely-Limit the infection from making people sick.


The other thing (besides lack of understanding, lack of knowledge) that has been PROLONGING our attempts to get control over number of infections has been 'lack of self-control' and impulse-driven individuals who throw away caution .. and infect themselves and others. -- This means a RESET is needed for the whole population. They cause SET-Backs in the progress that MOST people worked HARD (with self-control) to achieve.
. .
When you get too many people not cooperating, it does harm to the WHOLE effort, and PROLONGS the amount of Time to make it safe for everyone again.
*groundhog day*

The PANDEMIC
This is a "novel" virus, meaning that the medical-scientific world had never seen this before. They had no idea 'how' it would behave. They had to keep observing its spread, its effects among the people.

EXPERIMENTAL
Yes, using this has been issued under an emergency authorization. Too many people getting sick and DYING. Hospitals were OVERWHELMED.
. .
The virus could make someone deathly ill in hours of contracting it.

To develop the vaccine and ascertain its safe uses, takes DECADES to develop. -- It "just-happened" that a certain bio-lab had been working on the use of Genes, of binding receptors with the use of splitting RNA and DNA. They had had some experimental successes and dry-runs of a pandemic scenario.
.. So as the story goes, one day the scientists arrived at the lab, and told them they needed another experiment run on a novel virus-- but this time, it was not-a-drill. This was now REAL. Killing hundreds of thousands, and spreading exponentially.
The Lab people went to work on their RNA binders idea on a sample of the live-virus. Within 9 months, they HAD a product that they believed 'worked'.
They did trials on human volunteers.

Soon it was released as an Emergency measure to control the rate that this infection was causing the medical system to be flooded and overwhelmed with people DYING. They had to set-up outdoor tent-hospitals, and use refrigerated trailers in their parking lots to store dead corpses like piles of logs in the trucks. Too many dead.

The vaccine was released.
The infections began to lower as people cooperated with the plan of the Experts.

I understand being afraid. My body reacts to even the flu shots I've received. Thing is, if your body infection control is compromised in the ways listed by the science-doctors, you die as a result of getting this germ.

If you don't care to extend your life,
then it's easier to decide to 'go with the flow'-- if you die, you die.

But if you deeply WANT to live, you have to weigh the risks.

The more people get vaccinated, the easier it is for those who 'cannot' be. For medical reasons, some cannot take the shot.

I have had BOTH doses of the Pfizer now.
Had some 'inconvenient' side effects show up.
I'm still experiencing being wiped-out tired! ~oy
I'm in the category of people over 65 years old.

For me, I am glad to have been vaccinated and to continue to wear my mask, wash my hands, practice social distancing, because I feel it is 'protecting Others' whom perhaps ARE compromised.

Some of your fears, are from deliberately spread 'misinformation'. Some people have agendas (to harm others) for whatever hidden reason in their heart.

Look at how many people have taken the vaccine and had no adverse effects.

Be understanding of your older parents/grandparents/Loved Ones.
They have MORE risk if they get infected.
They are more-likely to die of the infection.

It's up to you-- if you are in live contact with them, you might want to decide to do it for *them* (so they don't get sick of this especially-lethal germ).

Take Care, Lucky Leo
Yeah, we 'all' have things to fear about when it comes to events we see play out in this world.

IDEA
If your parents/loved ones were to die,
what would you have wanted to tell them--
what would you have wanted them to know?
Plan to have some conversations with them (if you would want to have had those discussions before they Pass). It's good to have had weights lifted from your soul before dying.

Stay Protected.
Stay Safe {{ }}

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teasel
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posted April 21, 2021 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
I’m more worried about how easily people gave up their rights.

My rights haven’t been violated.

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posted April 21, 2021 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dad, otter family members, and many friends have now been vaccinated. They are doing fine. One friend was hit with the exhaustion for days, but I think she’s okay now.

I’ve had a bad side-effect to a vaccination before, but I will probably get this one. I’m going to make sure that I have things prepared, in case I get a fever, or strong fatigue (which I’ve dealt with before, without any kind of vaccination).

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LuckyLeo
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posted April 21, 2021 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage,

Thanks for replying. So much to say, and where to begin? It is difficult to reply to what you’ve said because you and I disagree on much with regard to this topic. So please know that everything I say is said with respect for your opinion, but I have a very different one.

Sometimes we find ourselves between a rock and a hard place. COVID is a terrible thing for someone to get. I don’t want anyone I love to get it (or anyone at all for that matter). But taking a brand new vaccine without enough long term safety data is not necessarily the answer. I think of it like COVID is the ‘rock’ and the vaccine is the ‘hard place’

I don’t think I’m in fear due to misinformation. My fear comes from the LACK of information. As far as I understand, they have never made a vaccine this fast before and they have never made a vaccine with mRNA technology before. They also haven’t completed everything they need to in order to get full approval from the FDA, otherwise they would have the approval already.

Misinformation comes from both sides. The people with the biggest motivation to put out misinformation are the ones who stand to earn big bucks on this vaccine.

I don’t trust the medical industry. I think it is all about money. But that’s a whole topic on its own.

I understand and of course I care about the heightened risk an older person has. But my feeling is that this is just not the answer.

I’m glad you made a decision you are happy with (getting the vaccine) and I hope the best for you.

Take care for now, Mirage ❤️

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LuckyLeo
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posted April 21, 2021 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by teasel:
My dad, otter family members, and many friends have now been vaccinated. They are doing fine. One friend was hit with the exhaustion for days, but I think she’s okay now.

I’ve had a bad side-effect to a vaccination before, but I will probably get this one. I’m going to make sure that I have things prepared, in case I get a fever, or strong fatigue (which I’ve dealt with before, without any kind of vaccination).


The people I know who have gotten it also had fatigue and soreness too. One woman I work with took a sick day the following day after getting it. She’s in her early 60s.

Hope it goes well for you if you get it!

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LuckyLeo
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posted April 21, 2021 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:

IDEA
If your parents/loved ones were to die,
what would you have wanted to tell them--
what would you have wanted them to know?
Plan to have some conversations with them (if you would want to have had those discussions before they Pass). It's good to have had weights lifted from your soul before dying.

I love this advice.
Thank you ❤️

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mirage29
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posted April 21, 2021 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Lucky Leo.

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mirage29
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posted April 24, 2021 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those who do opt for the vaccine --

Some of the side-effects.
(topic) Getting Pfizer Vaccine Second Dose:
Side Effects and Reactions - Vlog
(David Chen, April 8, 2021)
[17:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4UcNgRV17o

yt contents description quote--
David and his COVID bubble discuss what it's like to get dose 2 of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine.
What were the side effects (if any)?
end/quote

I had some of what they were describing.

One thing not mentioned is having a week+ of 'night-sweats'. Would occur close to 2 to 4 am. I was drenching my bed clothes, and was uncomfortable enough to have to get up and change. Plus, I kept an extra pillow near the bed to change-out (for wetness). I had tried a small towel behind head and neck, and 'that' got dampish.

Yes, they spoke of chills? Mine was more spurts of feeling hot then cold, while the temperature in the room remained steady.


Getting up in the morning, too tired to crow?
(rooster) [0:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF7dQUjsdKw

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