posted June 15, 2011 02:00 AM            

but honestly i think we are far from even visualizing this scenario,

" new way to live that doesn't involve the constant working and buying of 'stuff'" consumption is a must for survival, and without jobs one cannot afford to consume, and even if there is a world where there is no monetary values no one would be compelled to work and thus there would be no one to produce what we consume!

the whole cycle of life is a demand and supply curve that meet half way (intersect at the middle) I’d say find that midpoint (where supply=demand) so that no resources go to waste..

i think the problem of resources is more of an environmental issue than an economic one, people can’t change their consumption habits so we need to find a way to compramise!

posted June 15, 2011 06:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Venus:
if it was up to me we would all be living in Plato's republic were every person is compelled by his/her human nature to work for the benefit of the community..

but honestly i think we are far from even visualizing this scenario,

" new way to live that doesn't involve the constant working and buying of 'stuff'" consumption is a must for survival, and without jobs one cannot afford to consume, and even if there is a world where there is no monetary values no one would be compelled to work and thus there would be no one to produce what we consume!

the whole cycle of life is a demand and supply curve that meet half way (intersect at the middle) I’d say find that midpoint (where supply=demand) so that no resources go to waste..

i think the problem of resources is more of an environmental issue than an economic one, people can’t change their consumption habits so we need to find a way to compramise!

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I do think that a lot of the work we do is ultimately quite pointless. Junkmail for example, all the people involved in creating,printing,delivering junk mail..
Couldn't we better use their lifetime in other ways that help society grow in more beneficial or enjoyable ways?

posted June 15, 2011 07:17 AM            

as for people with seemingly meaningless jobs, someone must be paying them/compensating them thus they must be serving some kind of goal..

that being said i agree that people should work for a higher goal, to serve their community and not just for a paycheck..

posted June 16, 2011 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Is anything unproductive if it circulates money into the economy (junk mail, for instance)?

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posted May 03, 2012 10:30 AM            

Also, we heat with wood (renewable resource) and buy a lot from thrift stores.

posted May 11, 2012 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Venus:
if it was up to me we would all be living in Plato's republic were every person is compelled by his/her human nature to work for the benefit of the community..

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Ahh, well look at you.

You need methods to satisfy the basic human requirements for that to happen.

Food
Personal Shelter
Electrical power of some sort
Education
Work executed with intelligence(time)
Society
Leisure
Medical

Small cluster. Having to drive places to get to them wastes so much time.

Education all in one spot(read: The whole place), work located where it has to be, Society based around things that society can do/leisure & people who like to cook and are good at it. Doctors also.

"Melting Pot" type of areas. Cities have this sort of, but the spaces would be used for different things than consumerism, if you will. (more of a personal craft thing, I like art forms). The way a mall is setup is nice.

It has to be exciting

Split day, societies needs, then personal/family time. Only practical way to free up enough time in a 24 hour cycle to take care of what needs to be done, and what we wanna do, need sleep also.

Many things related to work would have to be reinvented to accomplish things in six hours, 6am-12pm. You would need more people in that situation so many jobs become social work.(I hope I am not using that in the wrong sense, hah) no weekends off, but a lighter day perhaps on sunday.

People who enjoy farming, people who enjoy hunting.(Adult animals of specific size/age) only fair way to let an animal live while still being able to feed some meats to said society. Heavy on the fruits (sugar energy, a more active society would benefit, I think.) and veggies. I like honey bees.

(Work & Education can happen in the same day, and be intermingled, that way its practical learning, go to where the adults are and learn what they are doing and how they are doing it.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprenticeship

Depression may decrease.

(I gotta provide for my family < I gotta provide for my people)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_management

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_resources

Leo color using Virgonian foundations, while minding the aqua social concerns.

I abhor most things related to machines replacing humans. I am interested in changing the work so people are interested. laziness all the time is horrible, but some is to be expected so I factored that in.

posted May 13, 2012 02:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Interesting.

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It's 2:06 am, the hours of saturn. Visions of philosophy and abstracts stir.

posted May 14, 2012 05:16 AM            

"I abhor most things related to machines replacing humans. I am interested in changing the work so people are interested. laziness all the time is horrible, but some is to be expected so I factored that in"

posted May 15, 2012 12:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Venus:
Mblake ur mind is like an encyclopedia its amazing how much u have to share

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwc1Wi-mlCI&feature=fvwrel

Dancing Dodo Bird

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Originally posted by Venus:yes! Laziness or being "idle" is a very serious problem with the new generations.. technology is a double edged sword

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posted May 17, 2012 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Venus:
im pretty impressionable

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posted May 18, 2012 12:11 AM            

It wouldn't be harsh in such places for a child to read or help work with family, friends, and the rest of society in the mornings.

If those kids are doing it these kids will also.

The kids help out where they can, and since the afternoon is open.. no harm in outdoor activities and such.

For that to work the activities are shared by everyone in said location, Society is Society.

Have things set up very convenient for work and play, for all ages.

Just because you age it doesn't mean you can't have fun.

You work hard in the mornings like everyone else with everyone else.. that's the point.

Doctors are different, its always been a noble calling. You help when you need to.
Like a medic in the army.

Take what you need and need what you take. One person can only consume so much within reason at any given point at any given time.

As far as personal items, Lists. Lists are the most logical. You can't complain about a list. You name is on it and this is when you will get it. (like furniture etc. This would build up to great amounts over time due to high quality craftswork. no need for greed because you have it already or will have.)

The problem is getting the raw materials, You need many hands in order to keep raw work from being something people shy away from. In fact it should help with physical fitness, or incorporated into it. Anyone who wants to get in shape? forget the gym, go help lift stone down at the quarry for a couple weeks, they have it set up to where the work gets finished quick and people get in shape. Same is true with some farm work. Same is true with construction, if its integrated into society.

The romans had many things right except for the people sitting at the top, they should be working just as hard as everyone else.. its honestly good for the body if its done correctly.

Braving the weather can make a person feel stronger.

I had a very bad case of "Morning Thunder" in my teens, take a early 6am job with a boss I actually liked was the best thing that happened to me. It gave me structure and taught me the importance to time management in the day. The morning is important for work because people are more bright eyed and bushy tailed (normally), the people who are not can cope because its just an intense six hours and its over with. Work, learning, breakfast, and right after, noonish.

After that, free to do what you want because the work is over. We did the same thing at the job I mentioned (sort of) it was perfect for human nature. After midday we do not want to work. Those who do would adjust by blowing all that out 6am-12pm.

Supper can be family or social, the cooks leave after lunch.

**This is all just me rambling**

You notice I seem to focus of physical labor, of course not all aspects of a society is labor based, but many are to keep said society going.

posted May 18, 2012 07:40 AM            

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take what you need and need what you take. One person can only consume so much within reason at any given point at any given time.

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I have been preaching this for so long to friends and family.

I shake my head (disgust or despair?) at the empty nesters who have more money now so want a bigger house,more cars and more toys. You can only drive one car at a time, sleep in one bedroom and if you don`t share your toys, you`re a piggie.

posted May 18, 2012 08:09 AM            

That is sort of what I was getting at, when they are moving in the right way you don't need to worry about these things, many or more are provided. Humans are curious people and like to explore, or they just get bored doing the same thing all the time.

Public is Public, Private is Private. Our current scale is sorta wonky, public works are not really appreciated at the moment and this is why you have people hording everything they can into one spot. I am saying sharing is not exactly a safe thing currently.

posted May 22, 2012 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Are you psychic Mblake

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