posted September 07, 2011 08:21 AM            

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Remember, love can conquer the influences of the planets....It can even eliminate karma.

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posted September 07, 2011 08:24 AM            

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Remember, love can conquer the influences of the planets....It can even eliminate karma.

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posted September 08, 2011 01:39 AM            

wolf? Really sand? Really?

lol, char you dont have to have the aspect to live it.. the whole point of this thread is to hear out what people have to say about conformity.. in general people shake their heads when you ask if they're conformists, but deep down they know they are.. its not their fault you know, its so much harder to brake with the norms than to go with it..

posted September 08, 2011 02:10 PM            

my serious answer probably would be i want to be a sheep. would make it so much easier. i don't look down on conformity. to me it just is. plus it's getting harder and harder to define what conformity is. are you a non conformist because you smoke pot? but whatif you're a doctor or a lawyer that does? what's the defining factor? indie fans that listen to the same underground bands? nonconformists or conformists? ...and where does it count?

someone who i think is a sheep pretending to be a goat.. sir richard branson. tho i certainly don't mean that as a diss. i quite like the guy. but he is a bit outwardly noncomformist and flamboyantly so. what people may not realize is that he's made sound business decisions to get where he is. though he does take risks that seem whackadoo it's backed up by some logic and reason.

probably harder to find examples of the inverse though they may be more of them in number. how about george soros? he does have a formula for investing. it's based on reflexivity. though i won't get into his other endeavors coz saw his name on one of thse conspiracy threads. hard to argue with those.

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George Soros gained international notoriety when, in September of 1992, he risked $10 billion on a single currency speculation when he shorted the British pound. He turned out to be right, and in a single day the trade generated a profit of $1 billion – ultimately, it was reported that his profit on the transaction almost reached $2 billion. As a result, he is famously known as the "the man who broke the Bank of England."

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Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/university/greatest/georgesoros.asp#ixzz1XNso7F6O

though i might have taken that a lil bit into the outer/ physical conformity too much, damn 1st house stellium SMH...

again going back to where it counts a total non conformist will lose perspective of what is important in society. he'll be too wrapped up in pursuing some ideal and end up contributing nothing. imagine a writer without an editor after 5 years comes out of hibernation to present his work. are there higher chances of it being genius? dunno!

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The world thinks eccentricity in great things is genius, but in small things, only crazy. (Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton)

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man i dunno if i even got what u meant. probably should've waited for u to reply a lil LOL but what the hell..

junkie's are abit non conformist too.. at least they seem philosophically so when i read trainspotting.

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Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a ******* big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed- interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of ******* fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing sprit- crushing game shows, stuffing ******* junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing you last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, ****** -up brats you have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that?

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posted September 09, 2011 02:10 AM            

great post sand! you said it! who defines whats confirming and whats not? Branson, who looks quite spiffy (?) in his astro suit, is def, not a goat, he's just another wacko sheep with too much money, free time, and a crazy marketing strategy

goats, are not necessarily good people! probably all dictators, sociopaths, and psychopaths are goats! and being a sheep is not exactly a bad thing, they have principles (mostly those that had been HANDED to them by parents/community) and they live life trying to respect them.. every decent average Joe out there is a sheep, most sheep dont even have time to contemplate their conformity they are busy making a living and getting by day after day..

..but some people, are different. they come to the world with a puzzled look on their face. they question everything, they dont take anything for granted. they dare to ask the questions that others dont.. those are the goats in my opinion..

posted September 09, 2011 03:31 AM            

..but some people, are different. they come to the world with a puzzled look on their face. they question everything, they dont take anything for granted. they dare to ask the questions that others dont.. those are the goats in my opinion..

by this definition soros is definitely a goat. everyone in finance has always believed the theory that the markets always balance eventually. he didn't believe this. not everyone buys his theories still tho.

yeah the quote is dark. to put it more into context it's from a book about drug abuse and heroine. trainspotting by irvine welsh. ewan mcgregor played the lead and danny boyle directed it way back in the 90's. and i left out this part right at the end..

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I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?

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posted September 09, 2011 11:47 AM            

I read a good quote a couple of weeks ago

The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, it is conformity.

Rollo May

Everyone on this forum is being a sheep by simply being on the forum. I don't live my life by what is deemed acceptable or unacceptable but I'd be kidding myself if I said I was a complete non conformist.

It's incredibly difficult to not be a part of the system in some way. I like to think I'm not imprisoned by it though.

Hospitals,schools,working for others,using the store and fuel + gas, electric etc needing the police, using a bank, credit card and going for a coffee are all sheep things to an extent.

posted September 10, 2011 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Are herds of nonconformists sheep by merely herding?

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posted September 13, 2011 02:16 AM            

in your description of sheep (using gas, credit cards etc..) is the description of every social being not just humans, animals who live in communities also share the basic functions in order to survive its the extent of their biology, their means for survival they cant -be- any other way!

you have a good point dys, but thats not what i perceive as confirming, we all eat, wear, watch, listen to, do the same things its hard to brake from that im talking about something else. im talking about the beleifs/norms that are handed down to us by our parents/community the norms we are expected to blindly follow without second guessing! a goat would be someone who doesnt take any of that for granted.

talking about goth kids, thats what i wanted to bring up.. are they goats for being different? for defying the norms? or are they sheep because they cluster, and confirm with their fellow goths?

i still do think they are goats, or at least goats in the making. when at a young age you have the compelling feeling that you are not satisfied with what you are "supposed" to do and have the courage to speak up and be different than you are a goat.. i know schools are flooded with vampire loving teenagers who are in it for their raging hormones but some kids really feel different realy go goth, or rebels or whateves.. i think if you sit down and listen to one of these kids you'd be surprised by what they have to say..

the same kids will most probably "grow out of it" become lousy adults consumed by their day to day life and forget how it feels to be your own man or woman. thats really sad..

i think we should start creating more goats..

posted September 13, 2011 01:06 PM            

While the sheep are the ones that follow the sheep dog.(leader)

And the goats are not ones to do that. But rather spit, and chew metal cans. LOL

posted September 13, 2011 02:38 PM            

'This... stuff'? Oh. Okay. I see. You think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select... I don't know... that lumpy blue sweater, for instance because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise. It's not lapis. It's actually cerulean. And you're also blithely unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves Saint Laurent... wasn't it who showed cerulean military jackets? I think we need a jacket here. And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. And then it, uh, filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic Casual Corner where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room from a pile of stuff.

yeah i just quoted the devil wears prada LOL!

posted September 13, 2011 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
goths are sheep. the real goats would be the very first goths that contributed to the look. a real goat you can't stereotype or peg into a subculture so easily IMO. clothing wise (probably much easier to explain this way) a goat could be a designer that creates a new trend/ style of clothing or someone that picks pieces from different eras to create a look that is totally her own. notice though that to be a goat one must possess extensive knowledge of the industry one is to be a goat of. kinda like knowing the rules to break them better.

[b]'This... stuff'? Oh. Okay. I see. You think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select... I don't know... that lumpy blue sweater, for instance because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise. It's not lapis. It's actually cerulean. And you're also blithely unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves Saint Laurent... wasn't it who showed cerulean military jackets? I think we need a jacket here. And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. And then it, uh, filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic Casual Corner where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room from a pile of stuff.

yeah i just quoted the devil wears prada LOL!

goats= pioneers, creatives, iconoclastic but IMO also have to be connected to the world.[/B]

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Very good points!

lol Well when it comes to style...I think I'm a goat...people have told me that I don't really have a label. (prep, goth, punk, ect.)

And I totally agree with that devil wares prada quote.