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Randall
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posted July 16, 2015 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All quiet on the news front.

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posted July 16, 2015 07:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Throws two pennies on the table*

I'm one of those whose opinion is that the State (meaning government in general) has no right to be involved in marriage or human relationships whatsoever, in the first place. Instead of "legalizing" "gay marriage", we should have de-regulated all marriage.

*Walks off whistling*

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posted July 17, 2015 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The state licenses it.

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posted July 17, 2015 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So that it's legally recognized as a contract.

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posted July 17, 2015 03:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edit: no, no, I walked off...

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posted July 18, 2015 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by the7thsphere:
*Throws two pennies on the table*

I'm one of those whose opinion is that the State (meaning government in general) has no right to be involved in marriage or human relationships whatsoever, in the first place. Instead of "legalizing" "gay marriage", we should have de-regulated all marriage.

*Walks off whistling*


This is actually true, but how do you eliminate that tradition? Sometimes it's ok to move forward (or backwards) in a different direction instead of erasing the past. This change may be a stepping stone to deregulation. I'm for government NOT owning our children via marriage contracts. So perhaps we will all become secure enough to trust our own integrity, relationship choices, and survival, so that we won't have to bind ourselves to contracts which force us to give up freedoms for our children who will be owned by the state. It's a bad habit that needs to be broken.

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posted July 18, 2015 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eliminating any aspect of the law/government in marriage (so that legally speaking it was like choosing a roommate rather than a spouse) would take some major rearranging for society. As a contract marriage isn't just a mere ceremony or sentimental tradition, it binds them together in a way that makes them LEGAL family, which gives rights in banking, insurance, medical and legal affairs. That is if someone is hurt the only way you'll know is if you're notified, and if you're not family--and without marriage you're not--then you won't be notified, nor can you ask because it's often illegal to tell you, that is you call the hospitals they probably won't tell you unless you're family, and same for the police, and the blood family can bar you if they wish. (This is one of the reasons gays have fought so hard for marriage, there are practical considerations here.)

Likewise, if you're not family and your partner dies then without marriage the family--which you're not without marriage--can take everything, unless there's a will already made (which most don't make unless they have some inkling they're going to die as opposed to it just happening unexpectedly as it does to so many). This has been another terrible thing gay people have had to deal with when a partner of many years dies and all they earned together is taken away by a cruel, heartless family who won't even allow the partner to attend the funeral in some cases and also systematically erase any information, destroy pix, etc, to cover up the fact that a family member was in a gay relationship and as far as the world (and law) is concerned you were just roommates.

And on another side is divorce. If you have kids together then if you're just roommates rather than married well then the kids belong to the mother...and take the last name of the mother as well because the father is not family, and though the mother will likely get tax breaks for having a dependent those breaks will disappear for the father who doesn't get a tax break (unless the legal code changes or who knows what conditions are met) which would likely cancel out the mother's break. Given how messed up the system currently is and that in this particular way the courts favor the mother (even when they shouldn't) maybe that's not such a bad thing, but it is a major change to society (far, far more than letting a small minority of people get married to the same gender).

And not only are the children the essential property of ONE person but so are the pets and so are all belongings. If say the woman washes the man's clothes, feeds him, creates dinners for the boss and other business associates that help him get promoted at work, and then they divorce, well all that money then goes to him and she gets nothing for her work, which could also make her more dependent on an abuser as some abusive men systematically destroy a woman's ability to provide for herself and her children so that she dare not leave (which is another reason things like alimony came into being). And child support? There is no father...in this day and age I suppose one could use genetic tests for paternity to decide such things and it probably wouldn't be as messed up as the system we already got (and might even be an improvement).

There are a lot of people who'd fight against such drastic changes for a variety of reasons...and unfortunately for anyone trying to make such changes I'm sure the hordes of divorce lawyers will provide pro bono services in making sure the system we already have stays in place.

Maybe it's time for another thread...

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posted July 19, 2015 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed.

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PlutoSurvivor, I really like your posts.

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posted July 20, 2015 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seconded!

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posted July 21, 2015 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Especially food topics.

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posted July 24, 2015 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for liking. It feels nice

Lindaland Forum is a great place to express individual thoughts and ideas. There is no final say on any topic. It's a sounding board and a place to use our voices which have, in general, been suppressed for so long. Many times we don't think about the other side of the story. Every side is valid. Every idea, thought, expression. Even the ones most of us dislike or reject are valid. It's nice to have a place to share... and be liked.

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posted July 25, 2015 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you for liking. It feels nice

Lindaland Forum is a great place to express individual thoughts and ideas. There is no final say on any topic. It's a sounding board and a place to use our voices which have, in general, been suppressed for so long. Many times we don't think about the other side of the story. Every side is valid. Every idea, thought, expression. Even the ones most of us dislike or reject are valid. It's nice to have a place to share... and be liked.


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