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HappyLoewe
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posted July 17, 2014 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HappyLoewe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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amelia28
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posted July 17, 2014 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh that is what that chart was!

Very interesting....Thanks for sharing.

He has saturn and chiron in the first and a stellium intercepted in the 7th! Plus his chiron opposes uranus and pluto in the 7th and are intercepted. This opposition forms a tsquare with mars in the 11th..

Saturn and chiron in the first would make him someone with a really low self esteem, timid and reserved and cautious; he probably lacks confidence in forming and maintaining relationships and odds are he is terrified of getting hurt in addition to lacking confidence...he might even feel he doesn't deserve love or that nobody deserves him or the other way around as he has virgo intercepted in the 7th so it may not appear this way but he may be very picky when looking for a girlfriend and sees potential friends as threats in his quest for love.

If he had friends they would be competitive and want to push him out of his shell but his low self worth doesn't feel it can deal with confident friends like that so he chooses not to hang out with them as that is the sort of friends he would attract; the sort that will push him out of his comfort zone and push him to gain confidence in himself but paradoxically been around such friends makes him feel more inadequate perhaps so he prefers not to have them.

Transits passing through or aspecting his intercepted 7th house cusp in virgo were that stellium is can lead to major transformations in him to take place as interceptions can be like hidden treasures activated by transits or synastry.

What does his progressed chart look like?

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posted July 17, 2014 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn and chiron squaring his mars and the intercepted 7th house with a stellium there sums it up I feel .

His self esteem hurts his masculinity and he probably sees his male acquaintances as threats who in turn make him feel more inadequate.

I almost have to wonder if a male friend betrayed him in the past, like stole a potential girlfriend or someone he liked.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted July 18, 2014 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun in 8th house- Private people.Keep to themselves a lot.

Moon in 6th- Likes to work. Romantic affiliations likely at work. Feels "at home" in work environment.

7th house ruler(Sun)in 8th. Keeps associations and partnerships private,keeps close relations private.Prefers very close intimate partnerships

So many planets packed in the 7th also suggest that one struggles with the issues of this house;partnerships,marriage,close relations.

On the one hand, one fears being consumed by partnerships of any kind and may resist forming ties.There is a defense in forming ties and a marked resistance.

This is further stressed by the Pluto conjunct Uranus-psychological independence and a stubborn hold to one's own view of how ones life should be lived.Regardless of other people's opinions.

This individual may prefer to roam free and without limitations(Jupiter in 7th) and make friends where they can. And if they choose to break ties,so be it.

On the other hand, one may feel that the enjoyment of their life is severely compromised with the lack of partnerships that they would like to form.

So,as said above,there is an overall preoccupation with ties and not wanting to let go.

Venus in 7th speaks of this and may emphasize the loneliness on a social level as Venus in 7th is a very social placement and wants to be around people.

Neptune forms a wide conjunction to Mercury-thoughts are kept hidden and secret.

Neptune-Mercury conjunct likes to listen more than speak.The person comes across as very quiet and introspected.Does not share thoughts.

The reserved nature is further exacerbated by Saturn in 1st.

These people come across extremely independent and not needing anyone.

There is a focus on self-preservation and a fear of being dependent or vulnerable.

The ruler of the 5th house and the 7th house in the 8th emphasizes intimacy and closeness in social relations as well as romantic partners.

Its not that this person has "chosen" to be alone, but perhaps they feel that there are not enough people to understand them and so, they don't bother.

What they really want is intimacy and sharing(8th) but also the freedom to re-invent their idea of what partnership is and means(Pluto-Uranus conjunct in 7th).

It is possible for them to find flexible people to do this, but they need to learn to be a little more open.

Since their 5th house ruler and 7th house ruler is in the 8th house, I would have to say that it is in this area of life where they are likely to meet people whom are of a kindred spirit.

8th house is strongly psychological and so,I would suggest martial arts classes,painting classes,writing classes would do them good.

They are looking for something that will touch their soul and people who will do the same.

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amelia28
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posted July 18, 2014 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"7th HOUSE: Individuals with a 7th House stellium are the least likely to marry or stay married. So many energies come out in a relationship that they feel swallowed up by other people in close relationships. They are often loners or they suddenly end relationships to break the relationship obsession. Libran traits manifest in relationships, specifically indecision when dealing with others. It is excellent for work in counseling or consultant occupations. These de-personalize the one-on-one relationships. The many planets in the 7th can describe many types of clients with whom the individual would deal. This is excellent for a lawyer, arbitrator, psychologist and business consultant.

I have observed this stellium firsthand. The individual complains that the relationships takes up so much of their energy that they lose their own identity. It is easier to be a loner. However, upon closer inspection, I observed that, when involved in a relationship, the individual obsesses upon that relationship to the point wherein he or she loses perspective, becoming oblivious to anyone or anything else. A friend with such a stellium visited the United States. He stayed in Baltimore for 2 weeks and then he stayed with me. When he was with me, he forgot all about his friends in Baltimore. And, when he left to stay with one of my students, he became oblivious to me and certain obligations that he had to me. He focused in on the person he was with and lost sight of everything else. If I had not seen this myself, I never would have understood this phenomena. A very independent friend with such a stellium would always lose herself in a relationship, devoting all of her energies to what the partner needed without regard for her own needs To end this obsession, she would just run away from the relationship."

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He in addition he has this a stellium enclosed in his intercepted virgo in the 7th house. Interceptions are karmic and have a sense of urgency that it needs to be dealt with in this life so the issues revolving around the 7th house and his 1st house he will resolve in this life, it will just take a while. You see the fruits of the hidden treasures of intercepted houses later in life.

To further accentuate that this axis of the 1st and 7th house are karmic for him notice that he only has saturn and chiron in the first house and both are retrograde! so his intercepted saturn and chiron are retrograde.

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The Aries/Libra or First/Seventh House Axis

If your Aries/Libra or first/seventh house axis is intercepted in your horoscope then people around you are likely to find that you have a very complex personality which can be very difficult to understand, while you may have alternately observed that those who you tend to form close alliances with are very complicated themselves. You may find that your lifestyle has or will change in a major way at least once, and this change in circumstances is likely to be directly linked to a marriage, divorce or partnership. It is very likely that you will consequently go through some rather profound transformations, and persons who knew you when you were young will consider you to be completely different in later years.

Partnerships will be very important to you as you develop several multifaceted relationships which give you the stimulus you need. At least once during the course of your life you will find that an adversary will have such a profound impact on you that it will forever change the way you view the world. Although this experience may be deeply unsettling, it will help you to fully understand the true meaning of friendships from those who stand by you in your time of need.

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Virgo/Pisces Axis or Sixth/Twelfth House Axis

If your Virgo/Pisces or sixth/twelfth house axis is intercepted it may take you quite some time to find a line of work which you find to be fulfilling. This disillusionment you feel in your day-to-day routine is destined to force you to question your spirituality and seek answers of a rather esoteric nature to help you better understand the life role you were born into.

You are an old soul who has experienced much in lives past and will find yourself bumping into people who you knew long ago. These rekindled friendships will add meaning to your life and keep you going during those times when you feel overwhelmed with trials.

Unfortunately, you will learn from experience that you must continually question the motives of those you meet casually because many will have agendas which are at cross purposes to your own. While secret enemies abound, these encounters will help you learn to keep your own council and look beyond the veil of the outer persona when judging a person’s true character.

You will in all probability have a part-time job or business in addition to your primary vocation which will bring you a little extra money as well as help to fulfill some of your self actualization needs.

You may at times feel as if you have heavy burdens because you will find that you have many obligations and responsibilities which keep you firmly grounded to the earth. While it can be depressing to find that you must tend to your day-to-day duties while it seems that others around you have much more free time, you will be able to find solace in quiet mediation which will enable you to further develop your inner world.


**You can't ignore interceptions in natal, I feel they are crucial.

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Ami Anne
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posted July 18, 2014 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great work, Amelia

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amelia28
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posted July 18, 2014 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks a lot Ami

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HappyLoewe
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posted July 26, 2014 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HappyLoewe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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