posted March 13, 2014 02:46 PM            

Don`t get me wrong, Venus and Mars is a very sexy aspect, potentially, physical chemistry.

posted March 13, 2014 03:01 PM            

I think the idea behind this theory is that the meeting between Mars and Venus is a symbolic, archetypal one. So is the archetype Sun-Moon, for example.

So I guess the question could be extended:

Can we have a soulmate synastry without this Mars/Venus contact?

posted March 13, 2014 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
Angle connections.
7H ruler conjunct to an angle is very powerful.( I think this can never go wrong)
Venus-Pluto is better suited than mars-Venus as a soulmate connection. IMO.

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posted March 13, 2014 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I've read some articles and posts on this forum stating that in order to have a "soulmate" synastry, the man's Mars aspecting the woman's Venus is compulsory.

What is your opinion? Is this true?

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Or is it possible to have a soulmate synastry without this connection?

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Absolutely.

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Soulmates are not always sexual or romantic relationships. They are SOUL mates.

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posted March 13, 2014 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by SunMoonStars:
Soulmates are not always sexual or romantic relationships. They are SOUL mates.

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posted March 13, 2014 09:28 PM            

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What about Sun and Moon? Can you have soulmate synastry without Sun-Moon aspects?

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LeeLoo - From I've seen and read the only aspects that are a must in relationships that are 'old' (i.e. you've shared past lives together) as opposed to new.. are:

- Saturn aspects!
If there are no exact Saturn aspects at all between two people, then it's likely they have not crossed paths in previous lives.

- Draconic aspects!!
This is a big one. If either partner's Draconic chart does not have planets (in particular personal planets) exactly conjunct the other's Draconic or Geocentric placements -- again.. it probably isn't a 'past life' soulmate-type connection.

eg. If one person's Draconic Sun or Moon is exactly conjunct the other's natal Sun or Moon that would be a BIG indication that you were close to this person in previous lives.

- Several exact aspects in the synastry and composite.
If you don't have at least ONE - it's likely not a soulmate relationship.
By exact I mean on the same degree... e.g. his Jupiter is at 9 degrees Sagittarius - and your Sun is at 9 degrees Pisces.
It's a stronger indication if you have a *few* of these... not just a couple.

- The NODES.
I should've listed this first.. There absolutely must be a conjunction to either the North Node or the South Node (in the synastry).. a close conjunction is good... but an exact conjunction is a stronger indication.
If one partner has a planet square the other's Nodal axis.. that can also be an indication of a soulmate relationship.
The trines and sextiles are 'mild', not very intense.

- The AC/DC axis touching the Nodal axis or the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis.

The most important thing with all of these patterns is the *exactness*. I know I've repeated it a few times - but this is really the main thing to remember.

You won't find soulmates who have ten conjunctions - all within a 3' degree orb.
You just won't.
You'll find soulmates who have maybe three conjunctions - but they are all exact.

This is a completely different topic to whether or not a conjunction (or any other aspect) is felt.
For example - one person can have a Leo Sun at 20 deg.. and their Sun might be conjunct their partner's Moon at 17 deg Leo.
Of course this would be felt! There wouldn't be much astrological debate about it.

posted March 14, 2014 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
In your observation, in 7th ruler conjunct ASC, who would be most attracted?

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posted March 14, 2014 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
LeeLoo - From I've seen and read the only aspects that are a must in relationships that are 'old' (i.e. you've shared past lives together) as opposed to new.. are:

- Saturn aspects!
If there are no exact Saturn aspects at all between two people, then it's likely they have not crossed paths in previous lives.

- Draconic aspects!!
This is a big one. If either partner's Draconic chart does not have planets (in particular personal planets) exactly conjunct the other's Draconic or Geocentric placements -- again.. it probably isn't a 'past life' soulmate-type connection.

eg. If one person's Draconic Sun or Moon is exactly conjunct the other's natal Sun or Moon that would be a BIG indication that you were close to this person in previous lives.

- Several exact aspects in the synastry and composite.
If you don't have at least ONE - it's likely not a soulmate relationship.
By exact I mean on the same degree... e.g. his Jupiter is at 9 degrees Sagittarius - and your Sun is at 9 degrees Pisces.
It's a stronger indication if you have a *few* of these... not just a couple.

- The NODES.
I should've listed this first.. There absolutely must be a conjunction to either the North Node or the South Node (in the synastry).. a close conjunction is good... but an exact conjunction is a stronger indication.
If one partner has a planet square the other's Nodal axis.. that can also be an indication of a soulmate relationship.
The trines and sextiles are 'mild', not very intense.

- The AC/DC axis touching the Nodal axis or the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis.

The most important thing with all of these patterns is the *exactness*. I know I've repeated it a few times - but this is really the main thing to remember.

You won't find soulmates who have ten conjunctions - all within a 3' degree orb.
You just won't.
You'll find soulmates who have maybe three conjunctions - but they are all exact.

This is a completely different topic to whether or not a conjunction (or any other aspect) is felt.
For example - one person can have a Leo Sun at 20 deg.. and their Sun might be conjunct their partner's Moon at 17 deg Leo.
Of course this would be felt! There wouldn't be much astrological debate about it.

But it would not be an indication of a past life connection.
On the other hand - if one person has three planets at 5 degrees, e.g. Sun at 5' Scorpio, Mars at 5' Pisces and Jupiter at 5' Gemini -- and they meet a person who has Moon at 5' Taurus and Mercury at 5' Aquarius with their NN at 5' Scorpio --- that is a much stronger indication of soulmates.

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posted March 14, 2014 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
I think it's equal, but relatively, the planet person.
What about your case?

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Well, his 7th house ruler is conjunct my ASC by 2 degrees (but also exactly conjunct my Neptune-NN). I don`t know how he feels, but I surely get his attention, no matter how unlikely that might seem.

His Moon (and Sun) also conjuncts my Sun (but 2-3 degrees).

On the other hand, MY 7th house ruler is closely conjunct his Sun, and a bit more widely (3 degrees) his Moon and MC.

We each have our 7th house ruler conjunct an angle in the other chart. Might explain the "attention-thing".

posted March 14, 2014 03:53 PM            

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

Sun conjunct Moon/Sun opp Moon
His Mars sextile her Venus
Venus opp Mars (by sign, not in aspect)

Elizabeth Browning/Robert Browning

His Sun biquintile her Moon exact
His Mars quintile her Venus exact
Her Mars trine his Venus

Yoko Ono/John Lennon

His Sun sextile her Moon
Her Moon his Sun in the same sign
Veery loose trine by his Mars to her Venus (11 degrees)

Joanne Woodward/Paul Newman

Her Sun conjunct his Moon
His Sun her Moon in the same sign
DW Mars semisextile Venus

Princess Lilian/Prince Bertil

His Sun sextile her Moon
His Mars square her Venus
Her Mars quincunx his Venus

Wallis/Edward Windsor

Her Sun trine his Moon
His Mars square her Venus
Her Mars semisextile his Venus

Camilla/Charles Windsor

Her Sun squares his Moon
Her Mars trine his Venus (it looks like Camilla is responsible with the male energies in the couple

Josephine/Napoleon

Her Sun quincunx his Moon
Her Mars conjunct his Venus (again, she is responsible with the Yang energy) As we know, Josephine helped him discover his sexuality.

Lauren Bacall/Humphrey Bogart

His Sun trine her Moon
His Mars quincunx her Venus

Linda/Paul McCartney

Her Sun semisquare his Moon
His Mars square her Venus
Her Mars semisextile his Venus

June Carter/Johnny Cash

His Sun quintile her Moon
Her Sun trine his Moon
Her Mars trine his Venus

Melinda/Bill Gates

Her Sun sequisquare his Moon
His Sun her Moon in the same sign
His Mars square her Venus
Her Mars trine his Venus (loosely, 10 degrees)

Eva/Juan Peron

His Sun sextile her Moon
DW Mars trine Venus

Iman/David Bowie

His Sun square her Moon
Her Sun conjunct his Moon
His Mars opp her Venus
Her Mars trine his Venus

Rita Wilson/Tom Hanks

Her Sun square his Moon
His Mars opp her Venus
Her Mars square his Venus

Kyra Sedgwick/Kevin Bacon

His Sun sextile her Moon
Her Sun sesquisquare his Moon
His Mars biquintile her Venus
Her Mars sesquisquare his Venus

Trudie Styler/Sting

His Sun trine her Moon
Her Sun square his Moon
His Mars sesquisquare her Venus

Ali Hewson/Bono

Her Sun quincunx his Moon
His Mars semisextile her Venus exact
Her Mars sextile his Venus

posted March 14, 2014 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

LeeLoo - From I've seen and read the only aspects that are a must in relationships that are 'old' (i.e. you've shared past lives together) as opposed to new.. are:

- Saturn aspects!
If there are no exact Saturn aspects at all between two people, then it's likely they have not crossed paths in previous lives.

- Draconic aspects!!
This is a big one. If either partner's Draconic chart does not have planets (in particular personal planets) exactly conjunct the other's Draconic or Geocentric placements -- again.. it probably isn't a 'past life' soulmate-type connection.

eg. If one person's Draconic Sun or Moon is exactly conjunct the other's natal Sun or Moon that would be a BIG indication that you were close to this person in previous lives.

- Several exact aspects in the synastry and composite.
If you don't have at least ONE - it's likely not a soulmate relationship.
By exact I mean on the same degree... e.g. his Jupiter is at 9 degrees Sagittarius - and your Sun is at 9 degrees Pisces.
It's a stronger indication if you have a *few* of these... not just a couple.

- The NODES.
I should've listed this first.. There absolutely must be a conjunction to either the North Node or the South Node (in the synastry).. a close conjunction is good... but an exact conjunction is a stronger indication.
If one partner has a planet square the other's Nodal axis.. that can also be an indication of a soulmate relationship.
The trines and sextiles are 'mild', not very intense.

- The AC/DC axis touching the Nodal axis or the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis.

The most important thing with all of these patterns is the *exactness*. I know I've repeated it a few times - but this is really the main thing to remember.

You won't find soulmates who have ten conjunctions - all within a 3' degree orb.
You just won't.
You'll find soulmates who have maybe three conjunctions - but they are all exact.

This is a completely different topic to whether or not a conjunction (or any other aspect) is felt.
For example - one person can have a Leo Sun at 20 deg.. and their Sun might be conjunct their partner's Moon at 17 deg Leo.
Of course this would be felt! There wouldn't be much astrological debate about it.

But it would not be an indication of a past life connection.
On the other hand - if one person has three planets at 5 degrees, e.g. Sun at 5' Scorpio, Mars at 5' Pisces and Jupiter at 5' Gemini -- and they meet a person who has Moon at 5' Taurus and Mercury at 5' Aquarius with their NN at 5' Scorpio --- that is a much stronger indication of soulmates.

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Odette, thanks a lot for the info. These are great aspects showing a karmic bond, the two souls traveling together through time. However, my interest was in how the male/female archetype finds its way in a romantic soulmate synastry. Maybe I am actually referring to Twinflames: the ideal woman for the ideal man, the Myth of the Androgyne reuniting, after many journeys here on Earth. I believe all our loves are imperfect meetings leading us, through lessons, to that one perfect final meeting. And I was wondering if, statistically, this theory might be right, as a way to reflect the union of the female/male principles, the Yin/Yang, in the synastry of romantic soulmates. I'm aware there are different kinds of soulmates, but I believe the final union will be a man/woman union, the Animus and Anima reunited, the Androgyne reformed. Following this idea, I was intrigued by the connection between the man's Mars, symbolic for the male energy and the woman's Venus, the feminine principle, the same with the luminaries. Further research is necessary, but I think it's not a bad clue.

posted March 14, 2014 06:32 PM            

His saturn
-conjunct my Venus 1 deg
-Trine my Neptune 3 deg
-Sextile my Pluto 3 deg, my Moon 4 deg
-Square Mars 2 deg
My Saturn
-Trine his sun 3 deg

Exact Draconic Conjunctions:

-M's Draconic Venus Conjunct my Draconic Mars (no matter time of day, not more than 1 deg)

-M's Draconic Sun Conjunct my Geocentric Mercury
-My Draconic Moon conjunct his Geocentric Saturn
-My Draconic Pluto conjunct his Geocentric Saturn

Exact Aspects in Synastry:

-Mars Trine Mars
-(SEVERAL minor aspects)

Exact Aspects in Composite:

-Sun Oppose Uranus
-Mars Semi-Sextile Pluto

My contact to his North Node
-Square Jupiter 1 deg
-Trine Chiron 1 deg
-Square Ascendant 2 deg

Also....
His Mars/Venus Midpoint Square My Venus by 1 deg
His Mars/Venus Midpoint Exactly Opposes My Mars
So he's usually...

His Mercury Opposes my Sun/Moon Midpoint by 1-2 deg
His Neptune Square my Sun/Moon Midpoint by 1 deg