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Tulipe
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posted April 14, 2014 06:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Great insights, Tulipe, definitely a "missed opportunity". Crush synastry and composite are both good, BTW. But in the end, he was a great disappointment to me, like an illusion suddenly showing itself as an illusion (maybe that's what the prism is, although I like that Sabian too). I thought him to be gentle, shy, pure and he proved to be rude and primitive. Luckily, I didn't get involved with him. Strange thing, I remember kissing him, we kissed once, and I've felt something I had never felt before: a strange warning up my spine. I think he was violent or had some genetic disorder or something: they say women can instinctively feel that, on an animal level. At first, he seemed totally my type, in all the ways, but proved to be a bubble.

About the ex: bad bad Aquarian obviously, not all Aquarian energy is bad, there's goood Aquarian energy and the bad bad one

Lesson nr. 1: girls, stay away from men with Venus AND Moon AND Mercury AND Sun squared by Uranus, especially with Sun opp. Saturn.


lol, the Moon square Uranus is already a handful, but Venus/Mercury/Sun too? And Sun opposite Saturn Never mind what I said about Taurus, where did you find this piece of art?

And about the crush, there is Neptune aspect in synastry between you? Hence the Sabian symbol for Atropos.

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posted April 14, 2014 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the Davison (un-corrected)

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posted April 14, 2014 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Cappy, the way I see it, Sun conjunct Chiron in a composite could mean many things, depending on the house, the aspects etc. A special relationship nevertheless.

Maybe you can be his masseuse?


Lol, I wish. Besides, I meant a natal Sun conjunct composite Chiron.

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posted April 14, 2014 06:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm inspired to look at the Sabian symbols for Lachesis and Atropos in my Composite:

Lachesis: A dentist at work work more work? Diligence and routine come to my mind.

Atropos: An easter sunrise service draws a large crowd Outside influences will break it? A messy affair?

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posted April 14, 2014 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sabians for the Davison:
Lachesis: 21 Scorpio- a soldier runs the risk of court martial in remaining absent without leave, but a lovely miss clings to him HA HA!!!!

Moira: 26 Gem- the winter frost has stolen through the woods and given to the trees and underbrush a witching cosmic lacery

Klothos: 17 Lib- a retired sea captain, still in uniform, frequents the docks from which the world's commerce departs.

Atropos: 21 Lib- it is a hot sunny afternoon in the summer and upon the beach is a milling crowd enjoying precious ocean freshness.
I love this one too...sounds so positive.

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posted April 14, 2014 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sabians for Trop composite:
Lachesis: 27 Sag- a sculptor is at work at his studio. Under his skilled hands, a lovely form slowly and surely takes shape.

Atropos: 12 Sag- in a curious allegorical representation, a flag becomes an eagle and an eagle becomes chanticleer triumphant.

Moira: 22 Tau- a white homing pigeon flies straight and fearlessly over a broad body of troubled water.

Klothos: 4 Scorpio- in an old-fashioned candle lighting service, a youth gains for the first time a sense of a great other world.

I identify strongly with every one of these...they sound so much of a TF journey/reunion...but that's me I guess.

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posted April 14, 2014 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"A blazing fireplace in a deserted home"

Theme: Hearth.


Inspiration: Though we wander far and many pathways roam, the hearth is burning still, to guide the traveler home.


Today: A deserted home may sound like an empty promise or evoke a sense of hopes unfulfilled. One could be watching the road, anxiously waiting for a love one to return. It is easy to feel the hollow chambers of desertion and sink into a belief that this is your fate alone.


But the blazing fireplace points to another factor, humanistically true. An active dynamic that passively stays on. Receptivity, it turns out is not so passive. Quiet and gentle perhaps, but a special action none the less.


Huh?

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posted April 14, 2014 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Composite:

Amor conjunct Lachesis/Atropos in cancer
Lachesis in Cancer zero degrees conjunct Atropos exact
Lachesis/Atropos opp Union in Cap exact
Lachesis/Atropos opp Saturn Cap 3
Lachesis/Atropos opp Uranus Cap exact
Moira in Gemini conjunct Mars
Klotho in Scorpio sextile Saturn exact
Klotho trine Amor exact
Klotho trine NN 2 in Pisces/Lachesis & Atropos cancer 3
Klotho conjunct Saturn 2/ Uranus

Davidson
Klothos sextile Sun/Jupiter exact
Klothos conjunct Ceres 3
Lachesis in cap conjunct Venus 1/Psyche & Saturn 2/ Neptune exact
Moira in Cap conjunct Venus 4/ Psyche & Saturn 3/Uranus exact
Union in Virgo trine Eros in taurus trine Moira exact
Psyche in cap trine Juno in Virgo trine Lachesis exact

No major Atropos under 5 degrees

Once I find out a exact hour of birth I'll update.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 15, 2014 07:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tgem, your Moirai aspects in both Composite and Davison are not bad at all, IMO (except maybe for Klotho conjunct Atropos near NN, but I'm not sure yet if that's bad). I like your Sabians too, and I love Moira conjunct Valentine

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
lol, the Moon square Uranus is already a handful, but Venus/Mercury/Sun too? And Sun opposite Saturn Never mind what I said about Taurus, where did you find this piece of art?

And about the crush, there is Neptune aspect in synastry between you? Hence the Sabian symbol for Atropos.


Strangely, no Neptune aspects with the crush. The most problematic aspects between us (and it's not always problematic, on the contrary, it could show great attraction) is his Moon/Mars opp squaring my Pluto.
However, now that I think about it, it correlates with what I felt regarding violence.

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
I'm inspired to look at the Sabian symbols for Lachesis and Atropos in my Composite:

Lachesis: [b]A dentist at work work more work? Diligence and routine come to my mind.

Atropos: An easter sunrise service draws a large crowd Outside influences will break it? A messy affair?

[/B]


Yes, strategy, precision, fine tuning - it does suggest a long development too. Pain too, maybe? Anyway, you have a bright future ahead of you, as I've seen from your 9th, no need to linger on for any man

Atropos is more mysterious, it could mean so many things... a revelation maybe? (sunrise); with great impact? (the crowds) It doesn't sound bad though, Atropos.

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Originally posted by ail221:
Composite:

Amor conjunct Lachesis/Atropos in cancer
Lachesis in Cancer zero degrees conjunct Atropos exact
Lachesis/Atropos opp Union in Cap exact
Lachesis/Atropos opp Saturn Cap 3
Lachesis/Atropos opp Uranus Cap exact
Moira in Gemini conjunct Mars
Klotho in Scorpio sextile Saturn exact
Klotho trine Amor exact
Klotho trine NN 2 in Pisces/Lachesis & Atropos cancer 3
Klotho conjunct Saturn 2/ Uranus

Davidson
Klothos sextile Sun/Jupiter exact
Klothos conjunct Ceres 3
Lachesis in cap conjunct Venus 1/Psyche & Saturn 2/ Neptune exact
Moira in Cap conjunct Venus 4/ Psyche & Saturn 3/Uranus exact
Union in Virgo trine Eros in taurus trine Moira exact
Psyche in cap trine Juno in Virgo trine Lachesis exact

No major Atropos under 5 degrees

Once I find out a exact hour of birth I'll update.


Aries point Lachesis conjunct Atropos, in Cancer: I'd say major emotional impact, for good or ill.

Does Klotho resonate with the beginning of your relationship, with how it all started?

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, strategy, precision, fine tuning - it does suggest a long development too. Pain too, maybe? Anyway, you have a bright future ahead of you, as I've seen from your 9th, no need to linger on for any man

Atropos is more mysterious, it could mean so many things... a revelation maybe? (sunrise); with great impact? (the crowds) It doesn't sound bad though, Atropos.


Thanks Leeloo, I'm being too literal in my interpretation . I'll not wait around for this one, I've learn what I need to, and no way I'm going back to the old way again. But he's my only ex thus my only case study and I know he doesn't mind contributing to a science project .
Oh, and I have wondered about Moira. Klotho is the beginning, Lachesis the journey and Atropos the ending/crisis then what Moira represents in your opinion? If the Three Fates show a process then Moira is the consequence? I have Moira conjunct Sun/Mercury exact on Antares, Moira is very fascinating to me.

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posted April 15, 2014 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tgem, your Moirai aspects in both Composite and Davison are not bad at all, IMO (except maybe for Klotho conjunct Atropos near NN, but I'm not sure yet if that's bad). I like your Sabians too, and I love Moira conjunct Valentine

Thx for looking

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posted April 15, 2014 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lilith Rising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thanks for posting, Lilith Rising.
Wow, great placements for your Fates.

I think Atropos in Leo 7th house conjunct Venus shows the many turning points your relationship had, many break-ups followed by reconciliations out of love (Venus in Leo). But eventually, Venus conjunct Atropos might be a little bit "doomed" after all.

What a nice placement for meeting in a bar: Klotho in Pisces

Also, regarding Lachesis: did he end the relationship? is he traveling or living somewhere else, after that? A fixed placement nevertheless. Maybe the 1st house placement in connection with Mars gives power to the man, and if he is restless..


Hi Leeloo, thanks so much for all the great information you shared.

Yes, he did end it after I told him I didn't understand why we were still together if it was going to end anyways. He said I was right and broke up with me.

You know what is funny?

The day we met, our progressed composite ASC was 3'05 Pisces conjunct composite Klotho at 3'06. Big coincidence?

Also, progressed composite moon at Aquarius 8'09 was conjunct composite ASC at 8'26. Astrology is like a clock, isn't it?

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posted April 15, 2014 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lilith Rising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the double post, but where do you get the sabian symbols definition from?

This is what I found in cafeastrology - sabian symbols degree for 3-4 Pisces.

Heavy Car Traffic On A Narrow Isthmus Linking Two Seashore Resorts

Very fitting for our relationship. So much going on at the same time, we are so busy and still managed to be together almost every day.

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Thanks Leeloo, I'm being too literal in my interpretation . I'll not wait around for this one, I've learn what I need to, and no way I'm going back to the old way again. But he's my only ex thus my only case study and I know he doesn't mind contributing to a science project .
Oh, and I have wondered about Moira. Klotho is the beginning, Lachesis the journey and Atropos the ending/crisis then what Moira represents in your opinion? If the Three Fates show a process then Moira is the consequence? I have Moira conjunct Sun/Mercury exact on Antares, Moira is very fascinating to me.


Interesting take on Moira being the "consequence". However I've been thinking more and read about Moira and correlating with my charts, I think Moira by sign/house and aspect shows a place in the natal or relationship charts where fated, inescapable events are meant to happen. It doesn't necessarily speak about the general fate of the natal/relationship, the consequence, the final result,but it does speak about an area in the natal or the relationship chart where we can feel the hand of fate.

I think it's important in synastry too. You can see the house where the partner brings you fated events, where he is like "the hand of fate' for you (correlating with aspects too). For example, someone's Moira falling in your 7th house: most likely will be a partner of some kind at some point, or bring a major influence on your relationships. If that person has Moira in 10th, for example, the partnership could be fated for him on a professional level. ( or generally speaking, since 10th house is a cardinal one, pertaining to our "peak", in a more general sense)

In the composite/Davison, it will be an area where the couple experience inescapable events, part of their story.

For example, I have Sun conjunct Moira and Union (actually Moira on Sun/Union midpoint), inside my Yod, in the 8th house: well I guess my whole life is fated, I am here to fulfill a special destiny. This one is easy to interpret, but other placements might be tricky, difficult to understand. One thing is for sure, the house is the key, I guess. Sabians might help too.

In my examples:

With crush: Moira in 8th house Scorpio square Mars sextile Venus: our lessons together where indeed linked to sexuality and this what the relationship was actually about.

With ex: Moira conjunct Uranus in 6th house unaspected - we moved together, shared every day life very quickly, relationship started and ended with a blast.

Camilla and Charles have a very prominent Moira:

Moira conjunct Chiron and Atropos in Scorpio 4th house, on the SN, forming a Grand Cross with NN, Lilith and Pluto. It shows their relationship is related to some sort of ending (4th house shows endings as well, and all the planets point to that), but this ending is on the beginning of the relationship (the SN). Anyway, things are meant to happen to them related to 4th house issues, unless they already happened.

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Also, I think (just like in the case of the three fates) that a very aspected Moira shows a significant relationship.

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Originally posted by Lilith Rising:
Hi Leeloo, thanks so much for all the great information you shared.

The day we met, our progressed composite ASC was 3'05 Pisces conjunct composite Klotho at 3'06. Big coincidence?



I don't think so
Yes, it's amazing, everything is projected there. The more you look, the more precise it gets.

Cafe astrology too, but I also like to read the Sabians from Astologycritics and Mindfire.ca (with the explanations of Dane Rudhyar)

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posted April 15, 2014 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Huh?


This is the sabian for the natal NN of my ex-husband..never could really figure out what it meant.

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What about your personal Moira, Tulipe?

Apart from being conjunct Sun/Mercury on Antares, which already shows you have a very special destiny to fulfill in this life, what other aspects it has? The house?

Since your 9th harmonics is so strong...

And what is Antares to you?

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This is the sabian for the natal NN of my ex-husband..never could really figure out what it meant.


Do you think there's any possibility for you to get back together, as the Sabian suggests?

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posted April 15, 2014 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aries point Lachesis conjunct Atropos, in Cancer: I'd say major emotional impact, for good or ill.

Does Klotho resonate with the beginning of your relationship, with how it all started?


I figured the aries points would be significant. We met at a secret group meeting.

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Great insights, Leeloo. I can relate to your take on Moira.

My Moira falls in his 2nd. Being with me stirs up his belief about self-esteem.

His Moira is exact on his Taurus DSC which by the way falls in my 12th house. Since I met him, I have discovered astrology, rethink about my spirituality. I have some dreams about him too, but they're all weird. Can we have recurrent dreams even they were many years apart?

In the Composite Moira is in Aqua 1st house square 10th house Scorpio Saturn by 2 degrees, plus conjunct Briede and trine Groom by 1 degree. The lesson in this, I think, is about to team up and to build something concrete that can stand like a rock in the eyes of society or fall apart, apparently.

In my natal chart Moira is in 7th house. I think it could point to relationships that are fated or it could mean legal matters. I can say that I haven't chose law study, it chooses me. I'd say it was a chains events that lead me to law school, and law study then leads me to France .

Moira conjunct my Sun/Mercury/Antares/Anubis exact in 7th, square Virgo Moon in 5th exact, square Pisces North Node in 11th exact. Antares makes me uncomfortable. I mean, there are psychopaths who have Sun/Mercury on Antares. I read about it and there is so much negative views, the fame and wealth that can ultimately lead to a down fall because of arrogance? I don't care much about fame and wealth (although with Taurus ASC I appreciate the convenience of money), but about arrogance, I believe it is linked tightly to my Karma. Since I was little, like 6 year old, everytime I became boastful, arrogant and told this phrase "That have never happened to me anyway" or "I'm the only one here that can...", the exact opposite happened IMMEDIATELY. Of course this was repeated so many times through to my high-school years that I started to think it was no coincidence, there is 'someone' who tried to warn me not to veer to the arrogance path .
The Sabians for Moira/Sun/Mercury/Anubis: A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportuinity. I think of ambition, fame, some mass-influence, beauty? )
On a sidenote to the Sun/Mercury/Moira-Moon-North Node T-square (if you consider the North Node in a configuration), once upon a time there was a Gem who flirted with me. He puts his Sun in to complete my Grand Cross, and I have to say, it's total revulsion. I already have many Gem friends that I think I don't need his stimulation anymore. My T-square is completed by itself. And talk about completion, I think your Moira/Sun/Union lead you to your other half, a fulfilled relationship.


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posted April 15, 2014 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Do you think there's any possibility for you to get back together, as the Sabian suggests?

We have an 11th house love stellium in our progressed composite. I truly believe we will eventually become as good of friends as we were before the divorce...I just need to give him time...interesting that you posted this at 11:11...hmmmmmm.

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