posted April 15, 2014 05:25 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Great insights, Leeloo. I can relate to your take on Moira.

My Moira falls in his 2nd. Being with me stirs up his belief about self-esteem.

or something that has to do with values. Sex is not excluded either if I remember correctly, you have a 2nd/8th house emphasis

His Moira is exact on his Taurus DSC which by the way falls in my 12th house. Since I met him, I have discovered astrology, rethink about my spirituality. I have some dreams about him too, but they're all weird. Can we have recurrent dreams even they were many years apart?

his Moira on his DSC - fateful partner

In the Composite Moira is in Aqua 1st house square 10th house Scorpio Saturn by 2 degrees, plus conjunct Briede and trine Groom by 1 degree. The lesson in this, I think, is about to team up and to build something concrete that can stand like a rock in the eyes of society or fall apart, apparently.

I agree, and I think Saturn strengthens the karmic aspect

In my natal chart Moira is in 7th house. I think it could point to relationships that are fated or it could mean legal matters. I can say that I haven't chose law study, it chooses me. I'd say it was a chains events that lead me to law school, and law study then leads me to France .

interesting. so you have been lead by destiny in this area, by fateful chains of events. but I think you might have a fateful partner as well, with Moira in 7th

Moira conjunct my Sun/Mercury/Antares/Anubis exact in 7th, square Virgo Moon in 5th exact, square Pisces North Node in 11th exact. Antares makes me uncomfortable. I mean, there are psychopaths who have Sun/Mercury on Antares. I read about it and there is so much negative views, the fame and wealth that can ultimately lead to a down fall because of arrogance? I don't care much about fame and wealth (although with Taurus ASC I appreciate the convenience of money), but about arrogance, I believe it is linked tightly to my Karma. Since I was little, like 6 year old, everytime I became boastful, arrogant and told this phrase "That have never happened to me anyway" or "I'm the only one here that can...", the exact opposite happened IMMEDIATELY. Of course this was repeated so many times through to my high-school years that I started to think it was no coincidence, there is 'someone' who tried to warn me not to veer to the arrogance path .

It's amazing you were so profound as a child, you'll go very far, I'm sure I am fascinated by fixed stars, but I wouldn't worry about their ancient interpretation, it's all fatalistic and outdated, most of them are bad, bring misfortune, wars, your cows give no more milk etc. things from the past. They need a major upgrade, IMO, based on their position in the constellations, a totally new approach. What matters is that you have an important fixed star on your Sun, which enhances the uncommon destiny theme

The Sabians for Moira/Sun/Mercury/Anubis: A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportuinity. I think of ambition, fame, some mass-influence, beauty? )

{i] fame for sure, or at least a prominent social position. you are meant to become someone with that sabian there [/i]

On a sidenote to the Sun/Mercury/Moira-Moon-North Node T-square (if you consider the North Node in a configuration), once upon a time there was a Gem who flirted with me. He puts his Sun in to complete my Grand Cross, and I have to say, it's total revulsion. I already have many Gem friends that I think I don't need his stimulation anymore. My T-square is completed by itself. And talk about completion, I think your Moira/Sun/Union lead you to your other half, a fulfilled relationship.

thank you. I hope it will be so, love is my life, in many forms.

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posted April 15, 2014 05:45 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Great insights, Leeloo. I can relate to your take on Moira.

My Moira falls in his 2nd. Being with me stirs up his belief about self-esteem.

or something that has to do with values. Sex is not excluded either if I remember correctly, you have a 2nd/8th house emphasis

His Moira is exact on his Taurus DSC which by the way falls in my 12th house. Since I met him, I have discovered astrology, rethink about my spirituality. I have some dreams about him too, but they're all weird. Can we have recurrent dreams even they were many years apart?

his Moira on his DSC - fateful partner

In the Composite Moira is in Aqua 1st house square 10th house Scorpio Saturn by 2 degrees, plus conjunct Briede and trine Groom by 1 degree. The lesson in this, I think, is about to team up and to build something concrete that can stand like a rock in the eyes of society or fall apart, apparently.

I agree, and I think Saturn strengthens the karmic aspect

In my natal chart Moira is in 7th house. I think it could point to relationships that are fated or it could mean legal matters. I can say that I haven't chose law study, it chooses me. I'd say it was a chains events that lead me to law school, and law study then leads me to France .

interesting. so you have been lead by destiny in this area, but fateful chains of events. but I think you might have a fateful partner as well, with Moira in 7th

Moira conjunct my Sun/Mercury/Antares/Anubis exact in 7th, square Virgo Moon in 5th exact, square Pisces North Node in 11th exact. Antares makes me uncomfortable. I mean, there are psychopaths who have Sun/Mercury on Antares. I read about it and there is so much negative views, the fame and wealth that can ultimately lead to a down fall because of arrogance? I don't care much about fame and wealth (although with Taurus ASC I appreciate the convenience of money), but about arrogance, I believe it is linked tightly to my Karma. Since I was little, like 6 year old, everytime I became boastful, arrogant and told this phrase "That have never happened to me anyway" or "I'm the only one here that can...", the exact opposite happened IMMEDIATELY. Of course this was repeated so many times through to my high-school years that I started to think it was no coincidence, there is 'someone' who tried to warn me not to veer to the arrogance path .

It's amazing you were so profound as a child, you'll go very far, I'm sure I am fascinated by fixed stars, but I wouldn't worry about their ancient interpretation, it's all fatalistic and outdated, most of them are bad, bring misfortune, wars, your cows give no more milk etc. things from the past. They need a major upgrade, IMO, based on their position in the constellations, a totally new approach. What matters is that you have an important fixed star on your Sun, which enhances the uncommon destiny theme

The Sabians for Moira/Sun/Mercury/Anubis: A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportuinity. I think of ambition, fame, some mass-influence, beauty? )

{i] fame for sure, or at least a prominent social position. you are meant to become someone with that sabian there [/i]

On a sidenote to the Sun/Mercury/Moira-Moon-North Node T-square (if you consider the North Node in a configuration), once upon a time there was a Gem who flirted with me. He puts his Sun in to complete my Grand Cross, and I have to say, it's total revulsion. I already have many Gem friends that I think I don't need his stimulation anymore. My T-square is completed by itself. And talk about completion, I think your Moira/Sun/Union lead you to your other half, a fulfilled relationship.

thank you. I hope it will be so, love is my life, in many forms.

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posted April 15, 2014 06:14 PM              

I became interested in Fixed Star after I know about Antares, it became something personal. Could you recommend some sites that have articles about the Fixed Star? I look at Darkstar mostly, but still cannot find much info.

I'm looking at the Sabians symbols in the sites you recommended now and the Sabians are slightly diffrent from site to site.

posted April 16, 2014 08:18 AM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Thanks for looking at my lengthy post, Leeloo , and you have very good memory.

I became interested in Fixed Star after I know about Antares, it became something personal. Could you recommend some sites that have articles about the Fixed Star? I look at Darkstar mostly, but still cannot find much info.

I'm looking at the Sabians symbols in the sites you recommended now and the Sabians are slightly diffrent from site to site.

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The original Sabian Symbols and their story is here:
http://www.sabiansymbols.com/index-2.html

and a good site for Fixed stars here:
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Fixedstars.htm
http://constellationsofwords.com/stars/Antares.html

posted April 16, 2014 09:00 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The original Sabian Symbols and their story is here:
http://www.sabiansymbols.com/index-2.html

and a good site for Fixed stars here:
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Fixedstars.htm
http://constellationsofwords.com/stars/Antares.html

But I think you should study the symbolism of the Scorpio and the "Heart of the Scorpio", a mighty, burning heart of transcendent love/hatred and transformation for yourself, find your own meanings, because these ancient/medieval interpretations of fixed stars suck!

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lol, Leeloo, I find most of what's being written about Scorpio/Pluto/Mars suck . I dive in with the Fixed Stars now, thank you for the helpful links.

posted April 28, 2014 10:58 AM              

Lachesis conjunct Lachesis
Klotho conjunct Sun and POF
Klotho conjunct Vesta and Mars
Moira exactly conjunct NN on one side, Moira conjunct NN (6 deg.) on the other

posted April 28, 2014 11:45 AM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
So many fate aspects between Fate asteroids and Soul/Fate objects between you two, and all are good and spell a lucky union. What do you think when Atropos also makes aspects?

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We both have Jupiter conjunct Atropos in our Juno charts.

My Sun conjunct his Atropos, his Ceres conjunct my Atropos. Hopefully this means he will nurture me on my deathbed

Well, I guess Atropos speaks about how it ends, the partnership, and also if it takes a longer time. In this case, maybe the ending is a happy one? Our Lachesis are conjunct in Taurus 1st/12th overlay, so it is a good sign for durability.

posted April 28, 2014 12:43 PM              

The Fates asteroids in my Juno synastry:

My Klotho conjunct his ASC (3), conjunct his Moira (3)
His Lachesis conjunct his Jupiter so figure in our Grand Cross, square my Moon exact.
My Lachesis opposite his Moira exact.
His Atropos conjunct his MC so conjunct my Pallas/Vertex (2), opposite my Venus.
My Atropos conjunct his POF (2).

My Lachesis in Aqua in 5th falls in his 7th, his Lachesis in Scorpio in 5th falls in my 3rd. Maybe the ending will bring him luck, and also open another opportunity for me.

posted April 28, 2014 01:00 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Maybe the ending will bring him luck, and also open another opportunity for me.

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Interesting how this relates to your your theme of "luck" between you in the other charts.

Well, all relationships end because one of the partners...hits the Styx, so to speak lol In the best case scenario of an enduring love into old age. I usually saw connections between Atropos and Pluto in this case.

posted April 28, 2014 01:19 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
But Atropos is also the significator of a turning point. Maybe it is more suitable to interpret it like this, I will have to rethink my vision on Atropos. I am thinking because ending might be probably harder to predict based on Atropos, because if you have all three Fates very aspected in the charts, it is more likely they share fate together, so it is an important, long term relationship. The more aspects to the three Fates, including Atropos, the better. So far, that is definitely something I've noticed from long term partners charts, including my parents, family, celebrities etc. Plus, apparently from Ceri's examples, Atropos on angles doesn't necessarily indicate a speedy ending, on the contrary. (although in my ex relationships, I noticed them there). But maybe for those relationships (2-3 years), their time, their fate was the longest possible.They were complete, in any case, like a complete cycle, I wouldn't have continued them.

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Yes I think your direction is right. If the 3 Moirai are all connecting to the chart then it is something to look at. The Atropos on Angles might just be another part of the 3 Fates story, Klotho and especially Lachesis must also play a big role or else it's just a mismatch of fate. Also I wonder, if 3 Fates are prominent in synastry/composite then Moira must be as well, like a kind of confirmation.

posted April 28, 2014 01:46 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Also I wonder, if 3 Fates are prominent in synastry/composite then Moira must be as well, like a kind of confirmation.

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posted April 28, 2014 02:14 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Hey, what do you think about Lachesis in the 8th in natal and Lachesis conjunct Chiron in synastry?

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Lachesis in the 8th natal: what sign, aspects?

posted April 28, 2014 02:23 PM            

Lachesis conjunct Chrion and opposite Saturn.

posted April 28, 2014 02:37 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lachesis in Aries, square Sun (2), quincunx Pluto exact.

Lachesis conjunct Chrion and opposite Saturn.

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Kinda of an abrupt "ending", in the first case, on all levels.

Second case points to longevity.

posted April 28, 2014 04:36 PM            

Draco-my Klotho, Pallas, Vesta conjunct his Klotho/Juno
Sitting on my Trop Aura/Gaea and His Valentine

Helio-Klotho/Saturn DW
Helio-My Moira conjunct his Jupiter trine my Jupiter

His aqua Atropos conjunct his Chiron, trine his libra Neptune and gemini Valentine sextile his leo Pallas/Pluto
His Atropos is on my aqua Anti-vertex, my aqua Venus sextile my saggy Lachesis in Draco synastry

Composite Trop-
Cancer Klotho/Vertex sits in very end of 7th house opposed cap Saturn/Neptune/Mercury on anti-vertex in 1st house

posted April 28, 2014 05:25 PM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
What would a Lachesis/Fortuna opposed Lachesis/Klotho mean in synastry?
It aspects positively to her Venus, Jupiter, and his Sun.

Draco-my Klotho, Pallas, Vesta conjunct his Klotho/Juno
Sitting on my Trop Aura/Gaea and His Valentine

Helio-Klotho/Saturn DW
Helio-My Moira conjunct his Jupiter trine my Jupiter

His aqua Atropos conjunct his Chiron, trine his libra Neptune and gemini Valentine sextile his leo Pallas/Pluto
His Atropos is on my aqua Anti-vertex, my aqua Venus sextile my saggy Lachesis in Draco synastry

Composite Trop-
Cancer Klotho/Vertex sits in very end of 7th house opposed cap Saturn/Neptune/Mercury on anti-vertex in 1st house

Atropos is in 12th but on AC
Atropos saggy@23
AC saggy@26
Only aspect is a semi-sextile scorp Pluto@23
Lachesis is cap@8 in 1st house....trines Anteros virgo@8 in 9th house
Aries Moira conjunct Cupido in 4th house
Trines leo Jupiter and saggy Venus

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In synastry, the connections are good, solid.

In composite, Lachesis is stable and indicates longevity.

posted April 29, 2014 05:34 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
In synastry, the connections are good, solid.

In composite, Lachesis is stable and indicates longevity.

Composite/Davison Klotho should tell you something about the circumstances of the beginning of the relationship, by sign, house and aspects, like a little story. Does it fit?

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In Davidson, Klotho/Saturn is on AC
Klotho gemini @0.34
Saturn gemini@ 2.27
AC gemini@3.52
DC saggy@3.52
Neptune saggy@3.04

As of yet....we have had a long distance relationship, we have challenged each other's spirituality n beliefs regarding God...eventually it became the beliefs regarding love n relationships we challenged in each other....I've gotten fed up with immaturity and lack of stability n broke off relationship only to have him come back n want to try harder....

Communication has been huge, it's kind of all we have had for periods of a few weeks to a month at a time....we haven't physically been able to be together a lot, but he's traveled to see me several times. He's working to change it so we see each other more often.....but so far our relationship had been restrictive n stressful, intense and aggravating, but we communicate very deeply effortlessly!
He says he's never felt as safe or trusted anyone so easily n doesn't know why...I don't trust anyone until they prove they desire the depth I need (Pluto conjunct Venus opposed 7th house Jupiter) so that's always a challenge for me n relationships.

Comp DC/Neptune falls on his natal AC/Merc and my Sun/Merc.....

posted May 26, 2014 03:14 AM            

Neither of us tossed in the towel despite fits and starts, several obstacles, and personal challenges.

His ATROPOS is in my 8H.
Curiously, my LACHESIS is in his, conjunct his SUN, 2°.

posted May 26, 2014 06:57 AM              

I think Atropos is activated by transits/progressions when the relationship is on a turning point, like the end, but not necessarily, probably any turning point will do. I don't know how your last meeting played out, but Atropos was quite prominent in your transits.