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Topic: Squares to DSC ruler or Venus in Synastry.
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 24, 2014 08:10 PM
When your DSC ruler or your Venus are squared in synastry, do you find yourself *not* attracted to that person, or even repulsed by them?IP: Logged |
seekinglight Knowflake Posts: 93 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 24, 2014 08:16 PM
Not really. For example, with jupiter-venus square in synastry, jupiter will tend to spoil venus rotten or vice versa.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 25, 2014 07:48 AM
That's not been my experience. Seriously guys, answer the question, lol.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 25, 2014 07:51 AM
Hi, DouxYou mean DSC ruler square DSC ruler and Venus square Venus?
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 25, 2014 07:59 AM
No, just squares in general, to the DSC ruler OR to Venus.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12704 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 25, 2014 08:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: When your DSC ruler or your Venus are squared in synastry, do you find yourself *not* attracted to that person, or even repulsed by them?
No, can´t say I experienced it like that. As a matter of fact squares to my Venus (of certain planets) even enhance an attraction. Squares to my DESC-ruler also play out this way, but less erotic, though it probably depends what planet is making the square.
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 25, 2014 08:08 AM
Interesting... that is peculiar.Why does it tend to play out that way for me, then? *scratches head* I mean, there can be attraction, but it's not quite "right." It doesn't feel fulfilling and isn't usually very strong. Trines on the other hand... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 25, 2014 08:14 AM
No, from my experience. My view on all aspects is that they are all connective not separative. Separative is not to have an aspect.For example, you have Venus in Scorpio and Venus in Aqua (or other personal planet). The energies are quite different, even antagonistic from a certain point of view. This is contrary to the popular belief, but to me, and from my experience with charts: If they don't square within orb, you might say those people will probably display their differences rather than what they have in common. If you have Venus in Aqua square Venus in Scorpio, you have a situation in which Venus in Aqua finds the one Venus in Scorpio he likes. What will connect them will most likely be their Fixity, for this square is part of the Fixed Cross. Together, they will probably feel their fixity in Venus even more and it will be a binding aspect between them (well, on this level, other things count, of course). I would also look to see if the square forms indeed a fixed cross with other planets/asteroids, than you most certainly have a binding situation. They like each other and they like similar (fixed) things. DSC ruler in any aspect to DSC ruler or other personal planets as part of the net of ruler connections is also a binding aspect. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12704 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 25, 2014 09:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Interesting... that is peculiar.Why does it tend to play out that way for me, then? *scratches head* I mean, there can be attraction, but it's not quite "right." It doesn't feel fulfilling and isn't usually very strong. Trines on the other hand...
Interesting. I never experience trines as that strong, unless they are part of a Grand trine, and then relate to a midpoint pattern. Those trines, WHOOSH, irresistible. lol But not isolated ones. However, to be honest I am not particularly fond of Venus-Venus or DESC-ruler-DESC-ruler squares; the same planet in square seem to play out a little differently as a Venus-Mars or Venus-Pluto square for example. Apart from this I agree with Leeloo. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12704 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 25, 2014 09:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Interesting... that is peculiar.Why does it tend to play out that way for me, then? *scratches head* I mean, there can be attraction, but it's not quite "right." It doesn't feel fulfilling and isn't usually very strong. Trines on the other hand...
How is your DESC-ruler embedded in your own chart?
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 25, 2014 09:20 AM
I have Venus conjunct DSC ruler (Jupiter), that's why I included Venus in the question (since I can't separate them in my natal).They're both trine Saturn (the orb is a bit wide - 5° separating). When there's a planet square that conjunction, it doesn't act like an attraction factor, even if it's usually on my IC or MC (Venus/Jupiter square that axis). But when someone's stuff trines it or conjuncts it, and even sometimes opposes it, it's very different. Only the square has that effect, and I wonder why (especially since the IC/MC are involved). IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 6901 From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron) Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 25, 2014 09:20 AM
Wrong board ------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 25, 2014 10:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by I'm so cappy: Wrong board
lol Doux, that's interesting. Maybe it's connected to Saturn, what is Saturn ruling in your chart? Maybe it's your Saturn you somehow like to be activated in such a config.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 40562 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 25, 2014 10:52 AM
General Astrology questions, even if about synastry or composites, are okay here.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 25, 2014 10:54 AM
No idea.Saturn rules 9H & 10H. Aspects all my personal planets. Maybe I just don't like it when people put stuff around my IC. MC seems to be a bit better. I dunno. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 25, 2014 10:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: General Astrology questions, even if about synastry or composites, are okay here.
I almost forgot we have new Forums on here... Need some time to get used to it. It could have been posted in the other one, my apologies. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 1486 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted May 25, 2014 11:13 AM
Someone's planet squaring your Venus-Jupiter would be conjuncting either your IC or MC. Those people remind you of your mother or father. The rulers of both your IC and MC are wounded / afflicted. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 25, 2014 11:22 AM
Good point. IC = buried stuff. MC = direction in life.Both are problematic for me. Makes sense. They don't usually remind me of my parents though. Not consciously at least. But there may be something to it. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 2053 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 25, 2014 11:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: No idea.Saturn rules 9H & 10H. Aspects all my personal planets. Maybe I just don't like it when people put stuff around my IC. MC seems to be a bit better. I dunno.
I see it like this. You're quite fond of your Venus conjunct DSC ruler trine Saturn (especially since your DSC is in Sag and Saturn rules 9th) and you like people to make a Grand Trine for you or at least a Supportive trine ( Opp., trine, sextile). It makes sense to me. I am attracted to people with hard aspects to my Venus. Why? Because the only Ptolemaic aspects my Venus is involved in is a mutable T-square, Venus opp Jupiter squares Neptune. Whoever brings a fourth leg especially with Mars Venus Pluto (because of my Plutonian chart) but probably other planets as well or at least conjuncts my Venus or opposes it or squares it from the other side (conjuncts Neptune): fireworks! and a chance for stability, especially with the fourth leg. We are most and foremost attracted to people closing our patterns, IMO. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 25, 2014 11:45 AM
Interesting point, thank you.IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 1486 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted May 25, 2014 12:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
They don't usually remind me of my parents though. Not consciously at least. But there may be something to it.
D., maybe they remind you they way your parents love you ( venus). Or something like that. The joy of life.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12704 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 25, 2014 12:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: We are most and foremost attracted to people closing our patterns, IMO.
VERY important point. The completing of patterns is a major factor, though underestimated, in synastry. For me Venus has a square to Pluto, and well someone putting a personal planet around 6 Aries or Libra, usually attracts me big time. I find it interesting though that it doesn`t seem to be the case with 6 Cancer though, or I jsut never met anyone with that. I dunno. (but it would oppose my Venus). However I ALSO like trines to my Venus especially from Virgo, but also Taurus, heck even sextiles from Scorpio and Pisces, though the attraction is not nearly as strong, feels more compatible and harmonious.
I do have Venus widely sextile Jupiter in Pisces and Uranus in Scorpio. Uranus on 1^degree, Jupiter on 11 degree, so something in that range on one of the other Yin signs. Delicious.
It really seems like pretty much th only placements that do not speak to my Venus are Aquarius, Gemini and Leo. lol Sagittarius is a big exception, as it would conjunct my Mars, ASC, Neptune, NN But all in all my Venus is not particularly fond of the quinkunx signs so far. Maybe it is too wishy washy for the Saturnian-Plutonian-Lunarian vibe of my Venus.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12704 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted May 25, 2014 12:43 PM
Oh btw my Venus is exactly squaring my IC-MC-axis, too. IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 4239 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted May 25, 2014 12:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: When your DSC ruler or your Venus are squared in synastry, do you find yourself *not* attracted to that person, or even repulsed by them?
Nope, because one of my placements is already square my Dsc ruler and when my venus is squared they hit either my karma asteroid or harmoniously aspects my Sun/Jupiter conjunction.
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starmoon Knowflake Posts: 1197 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 25, 2014 12:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: When your DSC ruler or your Venus are squared in synastry, do you find yourself *not* attracted to that person, or even repulsed by them?
for me this holds true. if anything is square to my venus, especially an ASC I am physically repulsed by the person. I have noticed in synastry charts that a square to a venus from an ASC only (not DSC) can lead to the venus person not being entirely 'comfortable' with the ASC person's looks/style/presentation. they just rub the venus person the wrong way
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