posted May 28, 2014 08:19 PM            

I'm now currently in my full blown Uranus opps Uranus transit, and everything has been, one change after another..

After this whole fishy ordeal, I just kinda gave up and pulled away.. After 3 months of kicking him out of my life, we started speaking again, but I told him. I had zero romantic interest,, and I can only offer a friendship.
He agreed..
That's been that...
My focus has been on well me... Lol
I started a home base business, selling clothes and designer handbags.. This keeps me pretty occupied ..
My main focus is to purchase a house..
I've never lived in a house... That's my only goal right now...
I paid off all my debit, and raised my credit score over 120 points...
I've been kicking AZZ!!!
I haven't given fishy much thought or time, even though we still chit chat as friends.. Which is cool..

So now here's my issue (and the reason why I posted here)
I've said it, 100x before, no matter what I do, how much work I do to get past this whole fishy ordeal, the more I pull away, the harder FATE seems to bring him even closer to me, so I can't escape it... I feel like the universe has pushed this 1 person on to me forever.. Saturn???

My dept got approval for another manger, he has applied, and he's coming Strongly recommended.
Which means if he does get the position, we will work side by side 40+ hours a week! I will be doing all the training! and he will have to be stuck to me! all day every day. Until one if us leaves...
I still feel he is some sort of soul mate, where the universe is forcing us to maintain contact with each other..
I have mixed feelings, I really like him, and we can really talk, and be honest with each other. We do have a special bond between us... That's awesome to have a special bond with a co worker, but I'm sooo worried, that if he comes to my area, I will get lost in obsession again.
I don't know if I can control the obsession when I would be around him, for so long every day..
I'm worried about this, I don't want to hold him back, but I don't want to go through this with him again. I'm finally at a place, where I can let this go, and move forward. This would set me back....

I wonder why/what it is that just won't let us pull apart.
Why does destiny insist that we remain close, and when we refuse, we are out in a situation where it's just down right unavoidable!!!
This is the one thing I can never understand... What do I look for? What is this?

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posted May 28, 2014 08:45 PM            

But I think I remember reading some of your story. Don't you have a saturn south node conjunction with him?
If that is the case then this might explain why you keep being thrown together. My parents have this, they married, divorced, moved, only to find themselves living in the same street, got together again, separated, then got together again, then separated and the dance goes on. It can sound like some passionate story except it isn't. They really were together because some forces beyond their will wanted to. The question always was "how do I get rid of him, should I flee? etc"

Either way, this is certainly not the only aspect to look for but it is extremely binding in a fated way (what else can we expect anyway when the south node and saturn unites?)

I tend to believe that as long as there are issues to resolve then people will be put together some way or another to work them out. Or maybe this is a test from the universe?
lot of karma tends to be involved in such situations. You could also post the draconic and see if it highlights themes in the tropical synastry.

posted May 28, 2014 09:12 PM            

Nothing really from DR Saturn/Nodes.
I did notice a both way
Dr Saturn conjunct each other's natal ASC.
I never noticed that before..

I just have one question!!!
Is this just impossible to loose contact? Or maintain distance?
Do I just have to accept it, and deal with it?

posted May 28, 2014 10:12 PM            

The composite doesn't really make things easier. With moon conjunct Pluto in the 5th house opposite venus! There are definitely strong intense feeling between the two of you, bordering on obsession and with a love/hate quality to it. Also notice how the north node in the composite is aspected with sun mercury conjunct at the south and mars at the north.

Now well your question is difficult to answer. It does seem that since he might work with you, you two may have to spend some time together again and thus losing contact or maintaining distance can be hard. Now if this means that something has to happen between the two of you, if this is somehow the universe saying that the two of you must end up together for eternity, I am afraid only time will tell. But I don't think you can feel forced by "the universe" to be with someone you absolutely don't want to be with. Free will is always at play. The question should be something along the lines of "Do I want to maintain distance? Why ? If I end up working with him, how am I going to handle dealing with him on a daily basis?" It can help, if it's someone you already have a history with, to really think about what didn't work, why it won't. But then again when there is love, it is hard to say no.
Bu t I definitely understand your questioning, It must be rather odd to feel like we want to move on and are ready to do so and just at that moment, fate or destiny or whatever it is just throws that one person in your life again and you can't help but wonder WHY?? I'm not even sure astrology can explain why. I guess this is all just part of the great mystery, and maybe one day we just wake up and finally understand the purpose of it all.

posted May 28, 2014 11:05 PM            

It's a hard sititaton, but we have so much respect and admiration between us. Yes a lot of intense feelings between us, which is scary...

I'm just going to leave all of this in fates hands, and what ever will be will be..

posted May 29, 2014 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
Either way, this is certainly not the only aspect to look for but it is extremely binding in a fated way (what else can we expect anyway when the south node and saturn unites?)

I tend to believe that as long as there are issues to resolve then people will be put together some way or another to work them out. Or maybe this is a test from the universe?
lot of karma tends to be involved in such situations. You could also post the draconic and see if it highlights themes in the tropical synastry.

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Hi there, ueharaa. First off - welcome to Interpersonal Astrology!

posted May 29, 2014 12:38 AM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
Hey Lioness :-)!
venus, pluto in natal and so the composites opp..

You will never get him out of your mind...Venus Pluto are hard to break off like a hell...Venus - Pluto seems to me not be love.. I feel more the obsession and break down effect between pluto and venus...

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We both have Venus sq Pluto in our natals.
Our Venus are in opposite signs.

posted May 29, 2014 04:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Given the fact that the NN is more about the goals for this life, shouldn't Saturn conjunct NN have a more binding effect than Saturn on the SN? After all SN represents that which is past.

I ask because I have composite Saturn conjunct NN and was attributing the "difficult to shake off" quality to this aspect.

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In theory, north node aspects have more longevity than south node ones, since it is after all where we are going and what we must master. But things are slightly bit different in reality because the north node is a very scary place and it can take people a lot of time to get there. This is why very often you see couples with north node conjunctions even of saturn that don't last, sometimes the relationship doesn't even get off the ground. They sense the important lesson they have to learn with this person, they're taking them to a completely unfamiliar territory and they're not comfortable with this yet.
Things are different for south node and square to the nodes.
South node very often bring people together, because it feels comforting here. The person feels familiar and there can be a unfathomable sense of "we belong together". Usually such aspects keep people together for as long as they need to be together (ie they both learn and grow from the experience)
Squares I would say are even more binding in that they're the turning point to the evolution symbolized by the nodes. When one has natal square to the nodes and meet someone that trigger his life issues, it is then very difficult to just forget this person. On a subconscious level there's a deep need for things to happen, because it is part of your learning path.

Now in the composite the conjunction at he north node can add a sense of purpose and bind you together but it can also create heavy feelings of duty and responsibility that one feels not ready for.

posted May 29, 2014 05:03 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Hi there, ueharaa. First off - welcome to Interpersonal Astrology!

Secondly, that's very intriguing, and makes quite a bit of sense. I've often wondered if one's natal SATURN-SNODE-KARMA conjunct another's MOON can create a similar effect?

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Thank you! I love this new subforum! It was a wise idea to gather everything that has to do with how people relate.

posted May 29, 2014 05:45 AM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
In theory, north node aspects have more longevity than south node ones, since it is after all where we are going and what we must master. But things are slightly bit different in reality because the ....................................................
Things are different for south node and square to the nodes.
South node very often bring people together, because it feels comforting here. The person feels familiar and there can be a unfathomable sense of "we belong together". Usually such aspects keep people together for as long as they need to be together (ie they both learn and grow from the
The way I see it, I guess I could sum it up, that if the north node can be indicative of someone you'll meet over again, the south node is a sort of instant karma, a glue effect for the purpose of balancing debts. And squares tend to be the most binding because after all don't we all want to transition from what we've mastered (south node) and feels comfortable to what we have to learn and be familiar with (north node).

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Thank you for the detailed and clear explanation. Yes, good to see you here.

posted May 29, 2014 06:46 AM            

First of all, I second almost everything ueharaa posted.
Both charts are very compelling, with a powerful 12th house, Moon Neptune Pluto vibe, and a strong Lilith theme.

Uranus seems to be the culprit here as well, I'll try to explain.

You have a lot of binding aspects, the DWs, rulers interconnected and all those angles/nodes connections. It is indeed a major relationship and a complicated, difficult to pin down and to stabilize.

I see the difficulty in stabilizing it in the following aspects:

Fishy, as you call him, is highly defined by Uranus. He has a Mars Uranus square right on his retroactive, passive angles, with Uranus (his DSC ruler - the type of partner he needs) right on his IC - his needs, his basic, often unconscious nature - which, in combination with Mars ruling his 9th house, gives an unpredictable (even to himself) nature in relationships and a difficulty in handling domestic matters. He is not a housewife's dream.

You, on the other hand, have your own Uranus theme: Uranus in your 7th house, tightly conjunct Juno, showing a life theme of possible struggles in relationships with issues of independence vs. dependency and commitment. Chiron opposes it, so it must be/have been a source of pain for you, which is enhanced by: 1. Uranus being your 12th house ruler, so it's not exactly an area you master well or can easily control 2. dispositor of Uranus/Juno is Venus in Cancer 4th , an energy quite antagonistic with Uranian energy in the 7th. However, your luminaries sextile to Uranus helps you integrate this energy.

Going back to Fishy, based on his natal, the person who would most likely stabilize him, if any, since all of his love rulers lead to the 9th house (Jupiter), will have personal planets in late Aries and Taurus and on his MC, stabilizing his Mars/Uranus square. Unfortunately, this is exactly the area where planets are missing for you.

Your final love house dispositor (for all love house rulers, 5th, 7th and 8th) is the Sun in 6th, so the ideal partner for you will have planets there (also in your 4th house on Venus) or make many strong aspects to your Sun. The problem seems to be here, since what he brings to your Sun is a square from his Uranus - he doesn't make you feel safe in love and your partnership, he constantly challenges your safety/self-image needs. There is also a Venus/Uranus square adding to the same energy. Composite Uranus square Saturn with Uranus in Scorpio (more sudden and unpredictable than usual) and Saturn in 2nd (structures and stability) also points to intermittent break ups of routine and structure.

Another thing he puts on your Sun is Lilith, which is another theme for you two, on top of all that Moon Pluto Moon Neptune 12th house combo. You have a strong Lilith yourself and a Lilith integration lesson in this life: Lilith square luminaries. Your Lilith right on his IC/Uranus (DSC ruler), his Lilith right on your luminaries, now both Liliths in an isolated square: you can bring the dark side of Lilith within each other, if Lilith is not well integrated for both of you: obsession, manipulative games and need for the other one to surrender (which, to be honest, I noticed in some of your posts), power games etc.

Based on what you say in this thread, I think the best solution for both of you is a wonderful, deep friendship. Which is a difficult challenge for you, with your Mars on top of his ASC: strong sexual attraction. Another combo that might work is both of you traveling the world together , but a domestic partnership is highly unlikely. However, if there is love you can overcome all of this and you have many many romantic soulful aspects to do it.

posted May 29, 2014 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:

Do I just have to accept it, and deal with it?

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Short answer, Yes.

Medium long answer. As long as you are fighting against it (a feeling inside of you), you provide it with energy, which makes you two being pulled back into this dance again and again.

Acceptance of what is (not of what was, or could be!), is the first step to letting go, letting things unfold as they do.

I do get it though, with a Saturn-Node aspects and Dr Saturn on ASC that is really difficult and challenging. However, accept that there will always be a bond between the two of you.

posted May 29, 2014 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Given the fact that the NN is more about the goals for this life, shouldn't Saturn conjunct NN have a more binding effect than Saturn on the SN? After all SN represents that which is past.

I ask because I have composite Saturn conjunct NN and was attributing the "difficult to shake off" quality to this aspect.

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Not necessarily. Attachments of the past can have a strong influence on us still.

saturn-SN seems to be a very hard to dissolve bond especially (along with Moon-SN).

Also I want to say SN is not just about the past in the sense, it is past and gone, if it were there would be no emphasis on it. IF there is, it is an indicator that there are things left unresolved and have to be adressed.
Our SN represents the past in the sense of skills and experiences we aquired and that we can and should *use* to go forward into the future.
It does not mean to forget all about it and demonize what the SN represents.

However, with emphasis on the SN there is a risk of becoming *stuck* right there, nad that is the problem.

The difference to squares to the nodal axis is that the squaring planets is already "half-there", he represents a balancing-point between past and future, and actually you have to incorporate it to GET to the future.

I sometimes wonder if maybe that is especially true for the square that is in the direction from SN to NN, so for me with Gemini-SN and Sag-NN, that markpost into the future would be in Virgo.

Interestingly I have Jupiter in Pisces in square to my own nodal axis. so in the direction from NN to SN. Seems a bit like a back ward way, or the emphasis might be that there is something I have to do AGAIN, cause I didn`t get it right the first time around, while the Virgo square would signify what (rather new things) I need to incorporate to get to my future and move forwards in spiritual sense.

posted May 29, 2014 07:12 AM            

"So you are sure you've met before and not only that, you feel as though you may have been lovers at least once in a past life, maybe many times over. When your eyes met for the first time this life, you knew he or she was 'the one'. But wait, the lightning can strike even without seeing each other. In the Age of Aquarius, karmic lovers are meeting on the web without even the benefit of a photograph first. Yet the lightning strike is so powerful, so consuming, so intense, you fall and you fall hard. At first you are floating on air, sky high in your romantic bliss, everything is simply perfect. New vistas of the divine open before you.

Then reality strikes. One or both of you are married. You live thousands of kilometres apart. There are children, or perhaps an illness, involved. No matter what the complications, and there are bound to be plenty, you know that somehow you and your lover must be together. You feel it in your soul. It is a deep and painful longing, a longing no one else in the world can understand unless they, too, have met a karmic lover with a Saturn-Neptune connection.

Does it read like a tragedy? Romeo and Juliet? Tristan and Isolde? Guinevere and Lancelot? Chances are all of these couples, if we could erect a synastry chart for them, would have a Saturn and Neptune connection. These relationships are the blissful, yet complicated and painful type of relationship. If there is a distinct Saturn-Neptune connection within the Synastry chart, it is quite likely that the Saturn-Neptune connection also touches the Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars in both of the partner's individual charts. These relationships appear to offer both heaven and hell to the people involved in them. I consider these types of relationships ‘dangerous loves’, not necessarily violent or abusive relationships, but rather relationships that cause great internal fear. The safe loves are easy to manage and allow a person to work freely and go about their business. The dangerous loves are consuming and passionate, yet frightening. The dangerous loves are often relationships with heavy karma, and the very essence of the Saturn-Neptune connection is one that suggests that the two people have come together to heal and evolve as individuals.

If you are working on a synastry chart and you find this connection look for the deeper ties to the personal planets. By noting and examining the ties to the personal planets, you can obtain some idea of how the current relationship is manifesting for each individual and how they can approach the healing that needs to take place in the current life. The lovers meet again to clear negative karma and to rekindle their love, however briefly the actual relationship may last. If a person finds this passionate love in the current life but runs from it, he or she is running from their own personal evolution. We can learn a great deal from dangerous relationships. When that special love comes upon us and we indulge in it for a brief time and then choose to escape because the fear is too strong, then we are choosing to turn our back on love. Avoiding these heavy karmic Saturn-Neptune relationships is akin to avoiding life itself. If we avoid love and strangle it within our hearts and souls, not allowing it to blossom and grow, then we will face the same person again in the future under a similar, or perhaps even more complicated, situation.

Working Together

The Saturn-Neptune connection will not resolve itself on its own, both souls must be willing to work hard to heal together. To confront the 'danger' takes a very evolved soul and often I see one soul who is ready to deal with the karma and rekindle the relationship yet the other soul is not ready. This can be unbearably painful for the person who is ready to tackle the work. I should mention here that even if the relationship ends quickly, the two lovers will often continue to long for each other no matter who they are with or how far apart they are. That is how strong and binding this aspect is within a relationship.

As you continue to work with a Synastry chart containing this configuration, look at the house placements of Saturn and Neptune. This will give some clue as to which area of life brought tragedy in the past. Ask yourself, why were these two souls ripped apart so abruptly? In many cases, one of the partners died a dramatic, sudden death, especially if the 8th house is directly involved. Often their very love for each other was their undoing, and the step towards their own destruction in the past. No wonder that these loves feel so dangerous and frightening!

So how does the energy of the Saturn-Neptune connection manifest for the two people currently entangled in such a relationship? So much depends on other factors in their charts and their current circumstances. If they are married to someone else, should they divorce? If they live far apart, should they relocate? These are tough decisions and it could take years of dedication to one another to make happen. Often, one partner is terrified of the other after the initial blissful honeymoon (Neptune) phase. When the reality (Saturn) of the situation strikes this partner, his or her emotions may become unbearable and he/she must close down emotionally out of self-protection. The partner cannot see immediate results emerging out of the connection because it seems so complicated and he/she isn’t sure that they are willing to walk through the fires in order to reach the heavenly love this aspect promises.

The frightened, less evolved partner may even sever the ties. The person willing to break the connection is often the partner who was left behind, who lost his or her only love because this person may have been drastically punished, forced to marry another, or he/she may have taken an oath to never love again. A deep entrenched wound is hindering the growth of this soul. While this soul is hiding and running away from his or her karmic lover, there can be no healing. The scorned lover (the lover who died or was ruined in the past) is once again hurt, grows desolate, and may even give up on living if he or she is not very spiritual. How can something so wonderful, so beautiful and divine come to such an abrupt halt? Why doesn't he or she call? Why the disappearing act? This wounded soul longs to experience the blissful aspects of the relationship and despite the challenging reality of the situation, this soul feels that the end result is well worth the torturous journey that must be taken to get there. A stalemate (Saturn) is reached between the partners, and if Neptune is the weaker planet in the Synastry and in the individual charts, it is likely that there will be no resolution in the current incarnation. However, if Neptune is stronger than Saturn in the Synastry, it is possible that the Neptunian energy can diffuse and permeate Saturn to the point where healing can begin to take place. In this situation, the couple can work together to form a more solid relationship built on spiritual growth, music, healing the self as well as others, inspiring the human race, compassion, and any other activity that grounds (Saturn) the sublime (Neptune) on the earthly plane.

Karmic astrology can help lovers understand the push-pull effect of their karmic relationships. It may not end the pain, it may not sweep away the hollow emptiness left when one karmic lover suddenly deserts the other, but it can help transform the bitterness left bobbing in the wake of abandonment into something much more bittersweet, that of spiritual understanding and acceptance.

Important Aspects

The opposition is the most prominent Saturn-Neptune connection. Of course a person could have this contact with many people of about the same age, so it is necessary to note the houses and the inner planet contacts that Saturn and Neptune make as well. Saturn or Neptune is usually in a 'karmic' house: 1st, 4th, 8th, 10th, 12th. Occasionally it may be found that the Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars is in a karmic house and in a close configuration with the Saturn/Neptune connection. Use an orb under 3 degrees for the peripheral karmic house contact if neither Saturn or Neptune is in one of the above houses. If either Saturn or Neptune is in a karmic house, I would consider aspects with an orb as wide as 10 or even up to 12 degrees, depending on the other planets involved. The contact to the inner planets can be major or 'minor' challenging contacts, including the conjunction, square, semisquare, and sesiquadrate. The sextile and semisextile should be considered as well. The more fluent trine can be significant, especially if in a karmic house but it will usually indicate an easier relationship rather than a desperate loss. Follow your intuition and trust your own judgment when working with the Saturn-Neptune connection.

The square between Saturn-Neptune in the Synastry chart can indicate a karmic lover relationship, but the lovers have not usually lost one another through their love, that is, their relationship didn't cause or contribute to the death of one or both partners as can be the case with the Saturn-Neptune opposition in a karmic house touching a planet or light in both individual nativities. The square more often indicates that there were difficult circumstances in the past that the two individuals failed to handle appropriately and they will once again face a similar situation together. Their incompetence may have cost lives, particularly if they were involved in the medical profession or were military leaders. This configuration can appear when both partners need to work toward a goal that will benefit mankind. It can become a driving force behind a team dedicated to helping others. The square will often be strong enough to hold the two people together if they are able to focus the energy outside the relationship rather than within it. The fear that lingers so deeply with the opposition could manifest within the relationship with the Saturn-Neptune square, but it isn’t likely to be as strong nor focused within the relationship. For instance, meeting the other person could bring up unknown fears and insecurities within each individual, but they will not be fearful of the other person. Instead, they may come to lean on the other to offer support and help them overcome the new fears as they develop. Fear of professional success or health maladies may be brought to the forefront through the connection. For instance, one partner may be scared to take a risk in order to make more money or gain prestige in his or her profession while the other partner develops allergies or begins to worry excessively about cancer or another terrible disease.

The trine is typically easier and while it may still indicate a loss of one another through a love relationship, it usually shows a loss that was natural, either through disease or simply old age. This Saturn-Neptune connection will not be as complicated, draining, or as important as one with an opposition or square. They will likely feel that sense of knowing one another on a deep level quite immediately, but the fear will not be there to undermine the potential of a long-term relationship. I wouldn’t consider a Saturn-Neptune trine in the Synastry chart as an indicator of a dangerous love. Keep in mind that the dangerous loves will bring greater challenges and offer a more significant opportunity for soul growth and healing at the same time. A Saturn-Neptune trine in the Synastry may not be powerful enough to bring a couple together, so if it is there, be sure to look at the other contacts between the charts to determine how the trine could help or hinder the relationship.

posted May 29, 2014 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

The difference to squares to the nodal axis is that the squaring planets is already "half-there", he represents a balancing-point between past and future, and actually you have to incorporate it to GET to the future.

I sometimes wonder if maybe that is especially true for the square that is in the direction from SN to NN, so for me with Gemini-SN and Sag-NN, that markpost into the future would be in Virgo.

Interestingly I have Jupiter in Pisces in square to my own nodal axis. so in the direction from NN to SN. Seems a bit like a back ward way, or the emphasis might be that there is something I have to do AGAIN, cause I didn`t get it right the first time around, while the Virgo square would signify what (rather new things) I need to incorporate to get to my future and move forwards in spiritual sense.

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posted May 29, 2014 07:26 AM            

this is relevant for you, too!
Your Saturn squares his Sun-Neptune-conjunction.

(I was stumbling across the article when I was struggling with my *something* about Jude. Granted in our case it is a wide one, but my Saturn oposes his Neptune by 5-6 degrees, closely cp, too; plus my SAurn on his SN and his more loosely on my SN, too)

The others from your Twinflame-thread seem to all have a Saturn-Neptune-connection, too, just in their case usually the trine or sextile.

It is not too obvious in mr Sag`s and my synastry, we have the quintile (my Neptune-his Saturn), which is interesting insofar as I have a biquintile betweeen Saturn-Neptune/NN natally, and our Saturns are loosely quintile each other - it seems to resonate more with structure of creativity or something like that than this Tristan-Isolde-scenario here, though, on second thought... lol

well his Draco Neptune conjuncts my natal Saturn)

posted May 29, 2014 09:50 AM            

My parents have an exact Saturn/Neptune opposition in synastry. They are born 9 years apart.

Saturn( father) in Aries 6th overlays 2nd, Neptune(mother) in Libra 8th overlays 12th.

No Neptune/Saturn emphasis for father in the natal, except for Sun quincunx Neptune.
No Neptune emphasis for mother in the natal, except for Moon sextile Neptune, Saturn emphasized however (and chart ruler).

No strong Neptune contacts in Synastry, but strong Saturn.

However in the Composite it translates as: Moon conjunct Neptune on MC square Saturn in 7th *with Moon 2 deg, Neptune 8 deg to Saturn).
Neptune intercepted, dispositor, Venus conjunct ASC.
Saturn rules 2nd house, opp Mars (2) forming a Cardinal/Mutable Grand Cross with MC/IC angles.

They both seem pivotal and equally emphasized to me.

posted May 29, 2014 04:27 PM            

In the mean time, here's the DR charts.

posted May 29, 2014 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
Lioness, I wonder how the draconic synastry looks like? Ar there any heavy pluto aspects there? A sun-moon, moon venus?
You said that each of your draconic saturn aspect the other's ascendant which certainly might explain why you have mixed feelings about this and say this is going to "set you back".
I did not notice the first time I looked but you have a venus square uranus which can also be at play in things coming out of nowhere.

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I posted the DR, not to much going on, just Venus/mars .
Venus/Pluto... That's repeated every where.. Geez..
I think there are more DR connections to natal's.

You what you said about the missing piece and my Saturn. It's odd.. I asked him, are you sure you really want to come and work with me, considering all of our ups and downs.. I suggested he should really think that over..
He said, YES!!!!! I want to, he said I'm drawn to you like a magnet, he said because of my intelligence, and will power, and he said, I know I can learn a lot from you.
This is what I really want to do.. He said, I feel us working together will only make our bond stronger, and even though we have had downs, we still conquered through them, and it's built our bond.

So what you said, about him feeling he needs to learn from me, makes sense in that aspect.

posted May 29, 2014 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Lioness

First of all, I second almost everything ueharaa posted.
Both charts are very compelling, with a powerful 12th house, Moon Neptune Pluto vibe, and a strong Lilith theme.

Uranus seems to be the culprit here as well, I'll try to explain.

You have a lot of binding aspects, the DWs, rulers interconnected and all those angles/nodes connections. It is indeed a major relationship and a complicated, difficult to pin down and to stabilize.

I see the difficulty in stabilizing it in the following aspects:

Fishy, as you call him, is highly defined by Uranus. He has a Mars Uranus square right on his retroactive, passive angles, with Uranus (his DSC ruler - the type of partner he needs) right on his IC - his needs, his basic, often unconscious nature - which, in combination with Mars ruling his 9th house, gives an unpredictable (even to himself) nature in relationships and a difficulty in handling domestic matters. He is not a housewife's dream.

You, on the other hand, have your own Uranus theme: Uranus in your 7th house, tightly conjunct Juno, showing a life theme of possible struggles in relationships with issues of independence vs. dependency and commitment. Chiron opposes it, so it must be/have been a source of pain for you, which is enhanced by: 1. Uranus being your 12th house ruler, so it's not exactly an area you master well or can easily control 2. dispositor of Uranus/Juno is Venus in Cancer 4th , an energy quite antagonistic with Uranian energy in the 7th. However, your luminaries sextile to Uranus helps you integrate this energy.

Going back to Fishy, based on his natal, the person who would most likely stabilize him, if any, since all of his love rulers lead to the 9th house (Jupiter), will have personal planets in late Aries and Taurus and on his MC, stabilizing his Mars/Uranus square. Unfortunately, this is exactly the area where planets are missing for you.

Your final love house dispositor (for all love house rulers, 5th, 7th and 8th) is the Sun in 6th, so the ideal partner for you will have planets there (also in your 4th house on Venus) or make many strong aspects to your Sun. The problem seems to be here, since what he brings to your Sun is a square from his Uranus - he doesn't make you feel safe in love and your partnership, he constantly challenges your safety/self-image needs. There is also a Venus/Uranus square adding to the same energy. Composite Uranus square Saturn with Uranus in Scorpio (more sudden and unpredictable than usual) and Saturn in 2nd (structures and stability) also points to intermittent break ups of routine and structure.

Another thing he puts on your Sun is Lilith, which is another theme for you two, on top of all that Moon Pluto Moon Neptune 12th house combo. You have a strong Lilith yourself and a Lilith integration lesson in this life: Lilith square luminaries. Your Lilith right on his IC/Uranus (DSC ruler), his Lilith right on your luminaries, now both Liliths in an isolated square: you can bring the dark side of Lilith within each other, if Lilith is not well integrated for both of you: obsession, manipulative games and need for the other one to surrender (which, to be honest, I noticed in some of your posts), power games etc.

Based on what you say in this thread, I think the best solution for both of you is a wonderful, deep friendship. Which is a difficult challenge for you, with your Mars on top of his ASC: strong sexual attraction. Another combo that might work is both of you traveling the world together , but a domestic partnership is highly unlikely. However, if there is love you can overcome all of this and you have many many romantic soulful aspects to do it.

Best wishes!

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Yes, thank you you have hit on a lot if key points. Isn't it odd how something so binding could be so unstable??

With me having Uranus in h7, the Uranus part doesn't really bother me, it's the obsession that kicks my azz, even though I also have Pluto in h7, it's so great and intense, yet I have zero control over it, and it drives me up the wall insane.. Lol