posted June 01, 2014 03:13 PM            

When you're lacking a birth time, this means one of two:

• you're not very close
• they don't know or have it

As many of the posters here are digital natives, the era of not having birth-certificate is fast-ending. This leaves me to deduce that the individual of interest isn't known very well by the querent.

That's fine. Many times we want to study an individual in relationship to ourselves to better understand the situation or its dynamics.

But it's best that we keep things in perspective; maintain a sort of detachment; keep it in theory.

That being said, there are certainly things we can study, and conclusions which can be drawn.

Most of them will be statistically useful on a generalised scale. In my own experience, I've seen that the sorts of details offered by those factors which are time-dependent can be total clinchers in terms of understanding the experience.

Exempli gratia, where the MOON falls in a synastric overlay can tell you so much more than for which we give it credit.

Why? It's where the emotional energy is focussed.

A 6H synastric lunar overlay would be what we call a platonic energy; it's most likely focussed towards daily routine, matters of health or well-being, and could be a great spot for coworkers.

If one has a 12H overlay, however, not only will we have a lunar opposition, but there will be the sense that the other is bringing to light some deep-seated fears and phobias.

This is an excellent combination between doctor and patient, whether of the psychiatric care or medical persuasion.

But the basic energy won't be generating a romantic or sexual spark. It's going into practical matters.

ALL that from one single component of the synastry, and entirely dependent upon having a birth time.

So, I'm going to make a simple suggestion, now that my mad methodology has been elucidated.

What you have at present is largely meaningless and overrun: BML and PRIAPUS are heavily time-dependent, as is the VERTICES Axis, MOON, and the Angles.

The slow-movers are going to be up for debate - such as PHOLUS. You get that on an Angle, or the MOON, VERTEX, or PRIAPUS, you're going to have something noteworthy.

So I'm going to suggest you clear the board and have only the following on your canvas:

Basic Planets (ignore his MOON, focus on yours)

Key Asteroids:

CHIRON
JUNO
AMOR
PSYCHE
EROS
VALENTINE
ALMA (for examining soul relations)

ISIS
OSIRIS (soulmate potential)

Again, unless there are tight links between soulmate pairings (ISIS, OSIRIS, PSYCHE and EROS) we won't pay them too much mind as they're not the crux of the dynamics.

Look at your PRIAPUS and BML if there are sexual dynamics between you. Even if you fear a one-sided attraction, look to see if your PRIAPUS is being heavily or significantly aspected by any of his known accurate (non-time-dependent) points (anything but Angles, MOON, VX/AVX, and so on.)

Hope that helps.

posted June 01, 2014 03:48 PM            

Let me also suggest you apply greater focus to the progressions of your own chart at what are significant points of this relationship.

Keeping the focus on you, and YOUR journey, will help to lessen whatever frustration you might be feeling overall, and allow more positive vibes to come through.

posted June 01, 2014 04:10 PM            

But...you have an interesting synastry! I notice you have quite a few similar pairs, you also complement each other, there is a high number of oppositions pointing to a strong attraction, possibly even overstimulating, with a lovely fixed cross involving Suns, your Mars and his Neptune, which shows me a strong fascination from your side and an idealization of this man as a possible partner: Mars rules your 3rd house, and your 5th and 8th house ruler is Mercury. This is an important love house for you. And of course, there's Venus conjunct Pluto with Uranus nearby. Other strong points: a possible NN conjunct DSC and a possible mutuality of Uranus square nodal axis for both, which shows this relationship may not be long lasting (like a lifetime partnership) but it will definitely bring an important and desirable change of perspective. Or, it might as well be long lasting. Uranus is your chart ruler, we don't know what it means to him.You do have some Saturn involved as well. I suspect your Moons are conjunct, but there is no point in focusing on the Moon. There is some significant pattern completion as well. However, it will be much easier for me if you listed the aspects in the Compilation thread, you will find some good aspects, it will be fun and if you have the time or disposition ( and I suspect with Venus conjunct Pluto you probably do ), it will be much easier for me to see the list of connections.

posted June 01, 2014 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I second what Indigo says, without the ASC hence the houses it's hard to evaluate the impact on him and almost impossible to interpret the composite. There are some good points in the Composite, but that Mars squaring Chiron opp Uranus/NN is fit for very evolved souls for its positive side. Otherwise, it might point to an electric, yet short story, but with the possibility to provoke an immense spiritual awakening and impact (pain however unavoidable).

Yes. It's awakened me at least...
No idea whether it was just a short lasting "thing" or may evolve to more one day. Pain, pain, pain for me.

But...you have an interesting synastry! I notice you have quite a few similar pairs, you also complement each other, there is a high number of oppositions pointing to a strong attraction, possibly even overstimulating, with a lovely fixed cross involving Suns, your Mars and his Neptune, which shows me a strong fascination from your side and an idealization of this man as a possible partner: Mars rules your 3rd house, and your 5th and 8th house ruler is Mercury. This is an important love house for you. And of course, there's Venus conjunct Pluto with Uranus nearby. Other strong points: a possible NN conjunct DSC and a possible mutuality of Uranus square nodal axis for both, which shows this relationship may not be long lasting (like a lifetime partnership) but it will definitely bring an important and desirable change of perspective. Or, it might as well be long lasting. Uranus is your chart ruler, we don't know what it means to him.

Yes his NN is on my DSC (as well as valentine) and they conjunct my mercury which rules my 5th & 8th. My uranus sq his nodes but his uranus (4 virgo) doesn't touch my nodes (28 scorpio & taurus) does it?
He's super Uranian. Aquarius sun & saturn. With my aquarius rising I do see him as ideal...

You do have some Saturn involved as well. I suspect your Moons are conjunct, but there is no point in focusing on the Moon. There is some significant pattern completion as well. However, it will be much easier for me if you listed the aspects in the Compilation thread, you will find some good aspects, it will be fun and if you have the time or disposition ( and I suspect with Venus conjunct Pluto you probably do ), it will be much easier for me to see the list of connections.

Here is the list of connections I'm most interested in:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000019.html

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posted June 01, 2014 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
BTW, when it comes to angle aspects...ignore his angles, just the aspects to your angles.

You're welcome, IntuitiveJ, can't wait to see the list!

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posted June 02, 2014 08:34 AM            

Yes, comparing natals to the composite is an important analysis, the one whose planets are most aspected by the composite is the one most involved or for whom the relationship is very important.

posted June 02, 2014 02:49 PM            

The Sun/ASC conjunction is valid and your Saturn conjunct his NN, which is a very binding aspect, some say extremely hard to break. It's the other way around with planets/nodes: when someone's nodes are touched, it means his destiny is influenced by that planet.

posted June 02, 2014 03:00 PM            

Conversely, when there are NNODE contacts, this shows important growth, both soul development as well as personal improvement here and now; again, often indicated by the points contacted. It can give a clear direction on what you're coming together for.

CHIRON? Healing old wounds.
VENUS? The arts, affection, and often, romantic relations.
MARS? A kick in the arse. Motivation. Drive. Projects requiring some serious push.
SATURN? This is an interesting one, as it shows the need to clear heavy karma. Often, we'll find some strong SNODE contacts when there's a SATURN-NNODE link.

JUPITER - PLUTO become rather generational. Only if there's a clear theme, or less than 1º, should we really consider them.

VALENTINE, JUNO, UNION - these tend to show the presence for a romantic relationship in the present. NNODE can be the future, yes, but it depends upon how far along you are, I suppose. If two people are emotionally mature and capable of relating on a deeper level, then it tends to be in the here and now. Otherwise, it's building a future foundation.

NESSUS-NNODE is one up for debate. It would seem that it ALL depends upon how NESSUS is placed. Likewise with DEJANIRA. It COULD indicate someone who can heal old wounds; similar to CHIRON. But in someone unevolved, easily victimise the DEJANIRA individual. Even more twisted, there may be a pact between these two, as NNODE shows growth on behalf of the other.

Hmm. I'll have to test that theory with a few charts I suspect might fit the pattern.

posted June 02, 2014 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Node connexions are indications of growth and debts. When someone's points hit our SNODE, for example, they are 'indebted' in those areas, according to the most prevailing theory. (Best to remember it's all theory! Unless the data proves, it, it don't mean, well, y'know what.)

Conversely, when there are NNODE contacts, this shows important growth, both soul development as well as personal improvement here and now; again, often indicated by the points contacted. It can give a clear direction on what you're coming together for.

CHIRON? Healing old wounds.
VENUS? The arts, affection, and often, romantic relations.
MARS? A kick in the arse. Motivation. Drive. Projects requiring some serious push.
SATURN? This is an interesting one, as it shows the need to clear heavy karma. Often, we'll find some strong SNODE contacts when there's a SATURN-NNODE link.

JUPITER - PLUTO become rather generational. Only if there's a clear theme, or less than 1º, should we really consider them.

VALENTINE, JUNO, UNION - these tend to show the presence for a romantic relationship in the present. NNODE can be the future, yes, but it depends upon how far along you are, I suppose. If two people are emotionally mature and capable of relating on a deeper level, then it tends to be in the here and now. Otherwise, it's building a future foundation.

NESSUS-NNODE is one up for debate. It would seem that it ALL depends upon how NESSUS is placed. Likewise with DEJANIRA. It COULD indicate someone who can heal old wounds; similar to CHIRON. But in someone unevolved, easily victimise the DEJANIRA individual. Even more twisted, there may be a pact between these two, as NNODE shows growth on behalf of the other.

Hmm. I'll have to test that theory with a few charts I suspect might fit the pattern.

Anyhow, there's a thumbnail sketch of what to expect of Nodal contacts.

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posted June 02, 2014 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Intuitive

The Sun/ASC conjunction is valid and your Saturn conjunct his NN, which is a very binding aspect, some say extremely hard to break. It's the other way around with planets/nodes: when someone's nodes are touched, it means his destiny is influenced by that planet.

But I didn't analyze the possible interaction between you based on nodes, because the nodes show the possible destiny together, not what you feel for each other. When I said relationship, I meant, of course, shared feelings, not unrequited, one-sided love. But because we don't know his houses, we cannot tell if your planets fall in his romantic houses or his friendship houses or his business houses etc. However, you do have enough planetary contacts to qualify for a relationship, IMO, either friendship or romance or of any kind

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posted June 02, 2014 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You're welcome! And I wish for him to come back if that is your wish

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posted June 02, 2014 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Node connexions are indications of growth and debts. When someone's points hit our SNODE, for example, they are 'indebted' in those areas, according to the most prevailing theory. (Best to remember it's all theory! Unless the data proves, it, it don't mean, well, y'know what.)

Conversely, when there are NNODE contacts, this shows important growth, both soul development as well as personal improvement here and now; again, often indicated by the points contacted. It can give a clear direction on what you're coming together for.

CHIRON? Healing old wounds.
VENUS? The arts, affection, and often, romantic relations.
MARS? A kick in the arse. Motivation. Drive. Projects requiring some serious push.
SATURN? This is an interesting one, as it shows the need to clear heavy karma. Often, we'll find some strong SNODE contacts when there's a SATURN-NNODE link.

JUPITER - PLUTO become rather generational. Only if there's a clear theme, or less than 1º, should we really consider them.

VALENTINE, JUNO, UNION - these tend to show the presence for a romantic relationship in the present. NNODE can be the future, yes, but it depends upon how far along you are, I suppose. If two people are emotionally mature and capable of relating on a deeper level, then it tends to be in the here and now. Otherwise, it's building a future foundation.

NESSUS-NNODE is one up for debate. It would seem that it ALL depends upon how NESSUS is placed. Likewise with DEJANIRA. It COULD indicate someone who can heal old wounds; similar to CHIRON. But in someone unevolved, easily victimise the DEJANIRA individual. Even more twisted, there may be a pact between these two, as NNODE shows growth on behalf of the other.

Hmm. I'll have to test that theory with a few charts I suspect might fit the pattern.

Anyhow, there's a thumbnail sketch of what to expect of Nodal contacts.

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What's really interesting is my saturn conjunct his NN, his NN conjunct my DSC & SN on my ASC & he has nessus/deja conjunct natally which sit right on my SN! Yikes.
Maybe the exact karma conjunct karma needs we somehow need to balance the past karma in this life?

His Draco juno is my natal SN & my Draco IC is his natal juno. Both exact.

Mind boggling...only time will tell!
You have both been much help to me!!