posted June 01, 2014 09:12 PM            

I know it's important to look at Venus obviously

So I would like to see if anyone has a checklist, so to speak, that you use when doing synastry

posted June 02, 2014 03:40 PM            

If that is so, then that simplifies the whole process of looking for indicators of longtermness.

EDIT: just read what you wrote about patterns. So is it the two together?

posted June 02, 2014 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I disagree a bit with what you've said, starmoon. There are also the secondary love houses - and if they are not at all activated, the long-term can be compromised. Usually (from what I've seen) there are some overlays in the love houses you've mentioned or involving the rulers of those houses, but also an underlying web with the secondary houses. Sometimes a direct overlay in love houses (each one of them) shows an affair or a short-lived romance. It is compelling and easy to enter into, but it doesn't last. There are also the interceptions that need to be activated for the intercepted people and they need direct overalys there, and the interceptions can happen in any house.

And aside from conjunctions, there are also the regular patterns - these are the real long terms, IMO.
But I strongly agree with the useless hunt for asteroids when these conditions are not met.

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that is already way too much to care about unless you're doing a full chart reading for someone. most people don't care that much, it's more 'do they like me' or 'will we get married' or 'are we soulmates,' and u can definitely see that with 4/5 things. looking at other houses and etc. is fine when someone requests that and cares about it, but not everyone does. i think, ultimately, what you look at comes from the question that someone asks you - it could mean looking at just one aspect and it could mean looking at several charts.

posted June 02, 2014 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
LeeLoo, it is often asked whether a relationship with last. So if all the other boxes are ticked, would you say it's the secondary houses that determine this aspect?

If that is so, then that simplifies the whole process of looking for indicators of relationships that would last.

EDIT: just read what you wrote about patterns. So is it the two together then?

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You mean conjunctions AND patterns?

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primary AND secondary?

for a relationship of real quality and with the potential of being your "love of life", in my opinion, yes

posted June 02, 2014 04:11 PM            

1st I look at their big 3, (sun, moon(if I'm sure) and venus)
To see if they are compatible… they don't have to be, but the moon is very important, and has to be compatible at least

2nd I look at their venus and mars aspect, the more aspect's the better, but hard aspects between mars/saturn, venus/saturn, mars/uranus and mars/pluto is a big minus and red flag in my book! If mars or venus in one of the charts doesn't make ANY aspect at all, I would say the relationship is doomed from the beginning, sorry… I look to see if there is some of these aspects like venus/neptune, venus/moon, venus/jupiter, mars/jupiter, mars/moon, mars/sun, mars/venus, venus/venus, mars/neptune, venus/pluto and venus/sun as I consider them "love-aspects"….the more of these the more I start believing that it's a fine union!

3rd I look at their saturn - there got to be some binding aspects, between saturn and the personal planets… a minor aspect between saturn and neptune just isn't good enough in my book! If I seee a heavy aspect between saturn/moon I consider it a very big red flag!

4th I check their moon(but only in general if I don't know their tob ) the more aspect to the moon, the better, cause it would make both of them emotionally involved, as mars and venus makes both people physically and romantically involved with each other. No aspects makes you indifferent over time, that's just how it is.

5th I check their jupiter aspects. Jupiter is a lovely planet to have activated in synastry as it makes you able to have fun, enjoy your time, create new expansive situations and events and it makes you able to emotional back up on each other which is very important. All aspects with jupiter counts, I don't consider squares and oppositions any different than a sextile in my book. Jupiter is expansive always, but the harder aspects makes you go over the edge with spoiling each other - doesn't have to be a bad thing though!

6th I check Pluto. I personally dislike pluto in a relationship. Too much of it is equal to a non-longtherm relationship in my book. You can still experience a hell lot of transformation, so I would recommend you to try a pluto-relationship if you haven't yet, but I only needed ONE of these to realize what I DONT need. And thank god for that.
If I see hard aspects between pluto/sun, pluto/venus, pluto/mars or pluto/moon I would scream and run. Mercury/pluto is exciting though, and not as intense maybe.
But in general pluto is just a ******* in love, really.

7th, I'm done! If the relationship has a mix of "love-aspects", binding saturn, activated venus/mars/moon, good jupiter and no pluto I would accept such a relationship lol. Ofc you have to add your own natal charts needs, and that is where the compatible elements come into play. The more "overall" compatible energy you got nattily, the more you will also compliment each other in my book.
Oh, and look at the chart ruler to see if they are activated too, and the angles (AC/DC/IC/MC).

posted June 02, 2014 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I meant what distinguishes a short-term relationship from a long-term one. Conjunctions and primary houses would be common to both wouldn't they? So, would patterns and the secondary houses add something more - add the long-term aspect? Or is that too simplistic?

Oh, I forgot about Saturn contacts!

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Yes, there are aspects on several levels and you need to have at least a little bit of each. I tried to compile the ones I believe in and have found in long-term relationships in my Compilation thread (the link in the first posts of this thread).

posted June 03, 2014 10:00 AM            

My Shortcut for synastry to find patterns:

1. Check the natals for the same or complimentary themes:
For example: You have Moon in Pisces - he has Moon conjunct Neptune
A similiar theme would be highlighted for you.

A complimentary one would be if you have Moon in Pisces and he has Sun square Neptune.
(I would only count conjunction, opposition, and close squares and trines here).

Check for planets in sign/house/aspect
Example:
Sun in Sagittarius is similiar to Sun in 9th or Sun conjunct Jupiter (not exactly the same, but similiar enough)
Planets in the 1st house are also emphasised, so in this case Jupiter in 1st house would give a similiar vibe as well

1b) Check the conditions of each 5th, 7th and 8th house (sign at cusp, ruler in sign and house, planets in these houses) and how they "fit" together

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2. Check the synastry: see if natal themes are being repeated.
Let`s say in synastry his Neptune squares your Moon that would be a highlighted theme.

3. Check (in synastry) the angles and angle rulers aspecting Sun, Moon, ASC, IC, nodal axis and angle rulers (note in which houses the planets and angles/anglerulers are placed)
for romantic relationships the 7th house is of utmost importance

4. Check Venus, Mars, 5th and 8th house (for "sparks"); 7th house is more about partnership.

5. For past life interactions or deeply subconscious patterns you can check out the 12th house, planets in 12th house and the ruler of 12th house (for past lives the SN is quite revealing as well)

6. ALL waterhouses are indicative of deep emotional themes, so make a special note if in the synastric overlay significant planets (those which are involved in strong aspects) fall into or rule the waterhouses; even if the aspect is made by Saturn and Uranus, if they rule the 8th and 4th house they will ALWAYS have a strong emotional effect

notes:
° I mainly consider
1. conjunction and opposition
2. square and trine
(3. solstice points/ antiscion - but the jury is still out on these)

° there should be balance:
The connections involving 5th, 7th and 8th house seem to be of main importance for relationships. (the 4th house would be allimportant for a very deep emotional connection, but it`s not sexual; the 8th is actually both, deeply emotional and deeply sexual and plainly scary in terms of intensity and depth).

If only one person´s 5th, 7th and 8th house-connections (especially their ruler) aspect the other Sun, Moon, ASC, ruler of 1st or even 4th house, then we probably have a case of unrequited feelings at our hand (or at least a case where one feels more than the other).

If it goes both ways, good.

7. Check especially for challenging aspects of the personal planets Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, the angles and the ruler of 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th house to Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto (and maybe Chiron).
These might relate to the "big issues", most likely karmic in nature and not easy to deal with, but in the end transformative.
challenges involving
Saturn: blockages, the "brake"
Uranus: unpredictibality, sudden changes, "on and off"
Neptune: dissolving, sometimes deluding others and oneself
Pluto: (subconscious) powerplays, very forceful
Jupiter: overindulgence (though even squares of Jupiter to Moon or Venus are usually quite joyful, you just have to keep an eye on the bankaccount now and then ).

8. Check also the harmonious aspects to the outer planets:
Jupiter can be endlessly supportive and your "biggest fan". Saturn can be stabilizing and structuring (which is needed in a relationship as well - commitment!).
Uranus can be liberating, inspiring and electrifying, giving you completely new ideas.
Neptune can be very compassionate, and loving in an allencompassing, unconditional sense (though Neptune`s love is more spiritual than personal, which often is the problem in a Venus-Neptune-aspect.)
Pluto can be intense and "rebuilding" you from the inside, baring your soul so you can strip away everything that is unreal, that is not "your truth". (it demands a bit of courage though).

9. Check for conjunctions to the nodal axis, South Node and North Node.
If there are only conjunctions to the SN without some to the NN, the connection might be passing away, you might have outlived its sell-date. (not my words, I read that in a book by Blashke and also in one by Hall).
if there are also conjunctions to the NN then you have a common path, no matter how long or short it will be.

posted June 03, 2014 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
house overlays to 1/5/7/8, ASC/DSC angle, conjunctions, and both natals. that's it. the same things show up again and again and again in partner charts. and it's not 'my vesta sextiles his juno' and etc. people get freakin' crazy with aspect listings hoping they have met 'the one' - it's actually very simple to see if they have or not by looking at about 4 or 5 items and nothing more.

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posted June 03, 2014 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

ditto, word by word

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I actually agree with this, though for a deeper analysis it can be enlightening getting into the specifics.
Only thing is that personally I haven`t noticed overlays alone to be that reliable (aspects to planets in these houses are still needed).

Just from my own experience. My crush doesn`t put any planets into my 5th, 7th or 8th house and I am certainly affected. However, he puts a lot into my 1st house.

I have also noticed that though the 5th, 7th and 8th are the general romantic houses, everyone has different romantic houses for them specifically. So for me the 1st house is ecidedly more magnetizing thatn the 7th house. My theory is that this is because the ruler of my 5th and 7th house are both falling into my 1st house AND are personal planets.

posted June 03, 2014 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I have also noticed that though the 5th, 7th and 8th are the general romantic houses, everyone has different romantic houses for them specifically.

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posted June 03, 2014 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

ditto, word by word

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Orange, my sis

Ever since Douxie sent you my pic, you have completely disappeared off the forum. It must have been quite a shock. I hope your Venus didn't puke all over the place.

Bottom line, you owe me a pic. As you can see, the boss (a.k.a. Randall) "promoted" me (a.k.a. put me to work), so you can find my email on top of the page.

posted June 03, 2014 11:12 AM            

I. ANGLES
a) ASC/ DESC: conjunction, (square)
b) IC/MC: conjunction, (square)

II. other angles/ axises
a) nodal axis: conjunction, square
b) Vertex-axis: conjunction, square

III. primary aspects
a) Sun-Moon-aspects, also to Sun/Moon-mp
b) Venus-Mars-aspects, also to Venus/Mars-mp

IV. personal connection
a) Sun-Moon to inner planets (Sun-Mars)
b) Venus-Mars to inner planets (Sun-Mars)

V. themes of support and structure/ exaggeration and restriction
a) Sun-Moon to Jupiter-Saturn
b) Venus-Mars to Jupiter-Saturn

VI. catalystic aspects, transformers
a) Sun-Moon to Uranus, Neptune, Pluto
b) Venus-Mars to Uranus, Neptune, Pluto

-> checking for Double whammies and complementary aspects

-> checking for repeated natal aspects
(this becomes important if I include the natal and the composite, cause you can easily see the red thread from the natal through synastry resulting in the composite:

example: both have Moon-Saturn-aspect natally; one`s Saturn aspects the other`s Moon or even in a DW; the composite has a Moon-Saturn-aspect as well.

Also, I know I did not mention houses and houserulers; I am used to note down which houses planets rule and where they fall, and if the 5th or 7th house has not been mentioned in the checklist already, it simply will not play a central role, and I am pretty sure romance might not be part of the gameplan (though certain progressions can change that temporarily).

Also for those who think this is still too specific, my very very first priority check up and list is this:

- conjunctions to ASC-DESC, MC-IC
- conjunctions (and squares) to nodal axis
- Sun-Moon and Venus-Mars-aspects
- tight major aspects involving at least one Sun, Moon, Venus or Mars. (aspects that result in a midpoint-pattern get an extra mentioning from me)

posted June 03, 2014 11:21 AM            

This is really useful - a thread that needs constant bumping, or dare I say, have the key lists placed in the Reference Library. Would you, as it's only a cut and paste job, which Randall will move over. The thread here needn't be locked either. It will make it easy to locate when one needs to.

posted June 03, 2014 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Orange, my sis

Ever since Douxie sent you my pic, you have completely disappeared off the forum. It must have been quite a shock. I hope your Venus didn't puke all over the place.

Bottom line, you owe me a pic. As you can see, the boss (a.k.a. Randall) "promoted" me (a.k.a. put me to work), so you can find my email on top of the page.

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hey, you

yes, guilty as charged! I come and go..
I see now that you have new toys, so I don't feel pity for you, gurl. :-)
You are such a cutie pie, and so shy, hiding behind your arms... Awww

posted June 03, 2014 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my most recent synastry worksheet

I. ANGLES
a) ASC/ DESC: conjunction, (square)
b) IC/MC: conjunction, (square)

II. other angles/ axises
a) nodal axis: conjunction, square
b) Vertex-axis: conjunction, square

III. primary aspects
a) Sun-Moon-aspects, also to Sun/Moon-mp
b) Venus-Mars-aspects, also to Venus/Mars mp

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This is it for me. Only if the forementioned is impressive, I go for further analyses, otherwise i just stop here.

I also ALWAYS check tight aspects to Pluto and Saturn first. These two are major players, major pulls. Tight Saturn aspects substitute for lack of Nodes aspects.

posted June 03, 2014 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
hey, you

yes, guilty as charged! I come and go..
I see now that you have new toys, so I don't feel pity for you, gurl. :-)
You are such a cutie pie, and so shy, hiding behind your arms... Awww

here is the little ole me

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WOW aren't you a luminous and pretty hottie!...officially in love!