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FireMoon
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posted June 02, 2014 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I apologize for the random topic (things have been kind of dramatic lately and there are threads in other forums I haven't yet been able to respond to.. ) But I would appreciate any thoughts or opinions on the progressed composite I have with this Cancer guy.. Who I really shouldn't still be thinking/talking about, but I guess I can't help it and have no shame at this point lol. We've been speaking over fb the past couple months and I really can't deny this is becoming majorly confusing and I don't like the intensity

Just to give some context, things were full blown/most intense when P composite Merc was conj Pluto (within 1 degree) a couple years ago. And I mean intense... very secretive and probably a little obsessive lol. Any predictions on what will happen when progressed sun conjuncts Pluto?

lol really though the pr composite is killing me... I want to tell him my feelings more than anything (since I strongly suspect he still cares) but am holding back since it's not practical right now. The progressed moon is conj my natal Merc at 27 Sag, and progressed mars will eventually be conj my natal mars at 28 Taurus

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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 02, 2014 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, FireMoon
I would appreciate it if you posted the normal composite as well, for comparison.

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FireMoon
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posted June 02, 2014 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey LeeLoo, thanks for your reply

Posting the regular composite, I added aspect lines to Chiron since otherwise there is no grand cross but I think it looks more symmetrical this way lol. I believe you commented on this composite in the TF thread (although for the record I have no idea if he's my TF or not, but regardless it's been very significant for me) Also his birth time could be slightly off, his parents basically just gave him a close estimate...

Eta, and also sorry I would add asteroids but my laptop has been acting up so I've been forced to post things from my phone until I get a new one which makes things more difficult... very irritating lol

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posted June 02, 2014 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to tell him my feelings more than anything (since I strongly suspect he still cares) but am holding back since it's not practical right now. The progressed moon is conj my natal Merc at 27 Sag, and progressed mars will eventually be conj my natal mars at 28 Taurus

Well, I guess there's nothing we can do to stop you, with those progressions over your natals.

I'll take a deeper look as soon as I can.

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FireMoon
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posted June 02, 2014 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks LeeLoo, and that's true.. But no seriously, please save me from myself lol...

I want to just say hey, wake up... we are "soulmates" and are supposed to end up together! But alas there are challenges and roadblocks. Best not to force it really when he already knows the "potential" we had but chose against it..

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posted June 02, 2014 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Twin Flame composites are extremely distinct. They grab you from a mile away and grip you.

This might be a soulmate, but I'm sensing is more of a karmic partner: one with whom you have a major skipped step that should be cleared.

The intensity you're feeling is SUN/PLUTO=VENUS (8H) even if it's the far MP. That will clear out in a year, but you'll likely learn something from the experience.

It'll likely come around again when the SUN opposes MARS, a good decade from now. So, I DO feel this person has a trajectory with you, even if I doubt it's your Twin Flame.

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posted June 02, 2014 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Twin Flame composites are extremely distinct. They grab you from a mile away and grip you.

This might be a soulmate, but I'm sensing is more of a karmic partner: one with whom you have a major skipped step that should be cleared.

The intensity you're feeling is SUN/PLUTO=VENUS (8H) even if it's the far MP. That will clear out in a year, but you'll likely learn something from the experience.

It'll likely come around again when the SUN opposes MARS, a good decade from now. So, I DO feel this person has a trajectory with you, even if I doubt it's your Twin Flame.


Thanks for your response Indigo, a soulmate with heavy karma to clear would make sense, we both have Sun-Saturn natally and have it DW in synastry.. his Saturn is exactly conjunct my sun

I do care about him deeply and my above post probably sounds dramatic but I guess I should clarify.. really I'm under no delusions that we'll ride off into the sunset and have a fairytale wedding or anything lol.

And he might not be my TF but some of the themes seem similar.. Before I moved out of state a while back, he questioned why I was really leaving and threw out lofty ideas about what our potential "future" could be together, but that was all intangible at the time and he wasn't exactly offering a commitment so I went anyway... Lots of changes happened throughout the years but we stayed in touch (at least sporadically) and later once I had moved back home and the connection was growing once again I tried to make my feelings clear but things just didn't work out, and then he was the one to move on leaving me heartbroken..

Thought that would be the end of things for good but now we're talking again, in this strange "just friends" territory that doesn't exactly work.. I really shouldn't have but my Sag moon/merc tends to be impulsive at inappropriate times, and I recently said something along the lines of "I can't lie I still really care about you..." (sounds innocent enough but I know he knew what I meant lol) Which was part of a much longer message but his response to that part was literally "please understand there are certain things I can't comment about". Hah could there be a more ambiguous reply? But that pretty much sums up this strange back and forth dance we've been participating in for way too long now...

Anyway sorry for rambling, I guess it's just nice to vent.. I do agree though the Sun-Pluto-Venus is probably the culprit right now, hoping you're right that intensity will be cleared out a year from now and there will be a lesson learned from all of it..

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posted June 02, 2014 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like your composite, it is very interesting and intense, a bit too intense even for my taste lol and I like them intense> I'm not sure a long-term partnerships is possible, due to DSC ruler Neptune conjunct Uranus in the 4th house (intimacy, comfort, shared house) and Uranus ruling the 6th house of day-to-day life together and the domestic part of the couple's life. But it all depends on your synastry, as a matter of fact. The progressed composite is in tune with the intensity of the composite with a surprising and a bit antagonistic (quincunx) communication coming from the female energy (the 3rd house) tot Mars, the male energy - because Moon rules MC. The whole thingy is connected to Chiron so...you might as well do as you said, but I'm not sure it';s the best option.

Anyway, IMO, there are men who like a woman to declare what you say (I'm not talking about feeling flattered here) and others who are turned off by it (just flattered). I can't say how he is in this respect without the synastry or his sign/house placements.

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posted June 02, 2014 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I like your composite, it is very interesting and intense, a bit too intense even for my taste lol and I like them intense> I'm not sure a long-term partnerships is possible, due to DSC ruler Neptune conjunct Uranus in the 4th house (intimacy, comfort, shared house) and Uranus ruling the 6th house of day-to-day life together and the domestic part of the couple's life. But it all depends on your synastry, as a matter of fact. The progressed composite is in tune with the intensity of the composite with a surprising and a bit antagonistic (quincunx) communication coming from the female energy (the 3rd house) tot Mars, the male energy - because Moon rules MC. The whole thingy is connected to Chiron so...you might as well do as you said, but I'm not sure it';s the best option.

Anyway, IMO, there are men who like a woman to declare what you say (I'm not talking about feeling flattered here) and others who are turned off by it (just flattered). I can't say how he is in this respect without the synastry or his sign/house placements.


Haha I wouldn't have even thought of that but the "antagonistic communication" is fitting with moon in 3rd quincunx mars. And truth be told I am kind of angry... At the lack of closure and the way he chose to ice me out, leaving me to wander around in the dark for the past year with no answers and then just suddenly wanting to act like everything is normal lol. But you're right, spilling any intense/unpleasant emotions is not the best option in this case lol. Best to wait it out, it'll be interesting to see if anything changes once the progressed moon moves into Cap..

Anyway here's the synastry with a few asteroids. I know it's not great honestly.. I think maybe the node and Saturn aspects are a little too binding despite the rest of it seeming dull. We do have a TON of parallels/contra-parallels though if that counts for anything lol


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posted June 02, 2014 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I assume he is the Cancer Sun?

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posted June 02, 2014 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, yes, cause I see your Moon on my Neptune

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posted June 02, 2014 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha yep

I know resisting a Cancer should be simple for a Cap Sun, but really he's one of the very few guys who has able to soften those edges and melt all the Cap ice lol (back when we were actually close) so it's not so simple..

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posted June 02, 2014 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can see why you are drawn to him by Mars on Eros/DSC, Venus conjunct NN, his Venus in your 12th, Pluto overlay with 5th and 12th, Moon/ASC, Sun/ASC, the oppositions.

I like how you bring two personal planets in his interception.

There are some good primary and secondary love house overlays as well.

There is however a lack of romantic aspects, direct and through rulers, most interesting aspects involve Mercury and I'm afraid the key to his heart is actually his Moon, all love rulers lead to her (his intercepted Venus as well, but the Moon is crucial). His 5th house ruler squares your Saturn, his Moon your Sun. For you there is a stronger attraction since his Mars falls near your 11th cusp in in your 11th (your 8th is ruled by Uranus and you even have your Mars there), but he has Moon square Sun and Saturn in his natal followed by a Mars square Mercury, both more or less on the last Cardinal, first Fixed axis and as much as I like Saturn to luminaries in synastries, I'm afraid in this case it doesn't help with him being attracted to you. I think something on Libra/Aries axis, early Taurus/Scorpio is really necessary for him to feel the attraction in its maximum. You do have a well placed Eros/Valentine conjunction there, but the Moon, his pivotal love planet, receives only this Pluto quincunx and this Sun square right on his Saturn square.

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posted June 02, 2014 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your analysis LeeLoo, all very interesting and true! I agree it's unfortunate there aren't many romantic aspects on his end including to his moon, and my Sun is right on his T square with Sun-Moon-Saturn...

About his level of interest, I didn't add this but his Lilith is 28 Scorpio opposite my Mars, so the physical attraction is definitely there... Although lilith doesn't exactly fit in with the "good girl"/housewife image Cancers tend to go for lol

It's hard to explain but I think in some ways we really did help each other understand and let go of gender polarities.. With Sun opp Sun it's like seeing a mirrored image and understanding both are "equals". But the outside world is only so progressive at this point and idk maybe he really just never saw how I would fit into that "girlfriend" category (my Aqua Venus conj his NN-or maybe he's just scared lol)

Anyway it's all very hard to define and I partially blame composite Venus square Neptune for the perpetual confusion lol..

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posted June 02, 2014 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like the unaspected moon. Venus opposite sun means love between them.. but the moon In Sagittarius means the woman will never feel at home in this relationship.

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posted June 02, 2014 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I don't like the unaspected moon. Venus opposite sun means love between them.. but the moon In Sagittarius means the woman will never feel at home in this relationship.

But I'm a natal Sag moon ha but I really don't like that it's unaspected in 3rd either.. This is a progressed composite though so the moon will actually move into Cap by September

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posted June 02, 2014 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer Sun, Aries Moon!

Oh, I'm familiar. Of course, I'd never be so stereotypical, but it can be a tough blend of energies, to be sure.

I would say, overall, that the composite doesn't have the punch I expect from someone from whom you'll never be able to separate amicably, peacefully, with closure. I feel there are lessons being learnt here, and until that moment it all clicks ... well ... that present progression - SUN-VENUS-PLUTO is likely bringing it to the forefront, drawing big lines around it.

Meditate. Breathe. I know these things can be extremely trying. They'll stay that way until you listen to your higher mind, and soul.

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posted June 03, 2014 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Thanks for your analysis LeeLoo, all very interesting and true! I agree it's unfortunate there aren't many romantic aspects on his end including to his moon, and my Sun is right on his T square with Sun-Moon-Saturn...

About his level of interest, I didn't add this but his Lilith is 28 Scorpio opposite my Mars, so the physical attraction is definitely there... Although lilith doesn't exactly fit in with the "good girl"/housewife image Cancers tend to go for lol

It's hard to explain but I think in some ways we really did help each other understand and let go of gender polarities.. With Sun opp Sun it's like seeing a mirrored image and understanding both are "equals". But the outside world is only so progressive at this point and idk maybe he really just never saw how I would fit into that "girlfriend" category (my Aqua Venus conj his NN-or maybe he's just scared lol)

Anyway it's all very hard to define and I partially blame composite Venus square Neptune for the perpetual confusion lol..


Oh, no, I didn't mean the sexual attraction per se. With Mars right on Eros/Psyche in DW with Mars opp. Eros/Valentine, it's hard to believe there is no sexual attraction. I meant more like a general attraction: a combination of feeling in love, being sexually attracted and believing someone is the right person for you which makes a guy pursue a woman. Although his attraction is more reflective than proactive, with your Mars on his DSC it's like having your Mars on his Venus, if you know what I mean. Your love planets are directly aspected by his angles (DSC and NN), these are not planetary aspects sufficient for binding two people together, but they show a fascination from the planet person.
I tried in my previous analysis to understand why you hold on to this synastry more than him.
The composite reflects the synastry - you have a 4th harmonics synastry. I kinda like the composite, it's very intense, I like that tantric road with the planets in reverse domicile right on house cusp - it shows either tantric practices, or some spiritual connection, it's very New Age. But as I explained before about the ruler Uranus, it is not the composite of a long-term relationship. Just like the synastry, it reflects as if only a part of yourselves is involved in this relationship.

You are after all, a Cap Sun with 6th and 7th emphasis, fixed Mars and Venus, Cancer ASC - you need a real relationship,a lot of Ptolemaic aspects with planets, not this (sesquisquares etc.), to be honest.

And he is cardinal too, with ASC Scorpio, and those Moon and Mars. After all, he has a Moon in Aries 5th house, so, squared by Saturn or not, he needs a direct contact on such a Moon, conjunction, IMO opposition is better , some trines or sextiles. And he has Taurus Mars in 5th, in a widish Uranus trine, such a man goes after the woman he wants and needs, again, strong aspects with Venus, Moon, Sun, Jupiter of the woman to feel stimulated.

You deserve a better synastry, FireMoon!

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