posted June 15, 2014 01:57 PM            

So I guess Uranus and Pluto involved with the 2nd house and the 2nd house ruler are definitely involved - Uranus with a shocking value (perhaps) and Pluto for the long, progressive transformation.

I have a personal interest in the topic because he has Uranus in his 2nd, actually it's on the cusp, which IMO enhances the shocking aspect of Uranus there (planets on cusps have an Uranian flavor, they scream "event"). This can mean two things:

- a sudden, unexpected change in financial/property matters etc.
- a possible change of the value system, most likely unexpectedly as well.

2nd house ruler is Venus, so it's hard to say, since Venus rules both values and money. Uranus rules the 5th, and Venus/Uranus are in mutual reception.

But I think it's safe to say someone triggering Uranus there (directly as conjunction) or maybe a more complex configuration with Uranus and Venus would bring these changes or facilitate them.

posted June 15, 2014 02:07 PM            

HIS TO MINE:

posted June 16, 2014 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lee, I hope he doesn't change it for worse

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posted June 16, 2014 02:25 PM            

So. That brings us to the crux of the issue: WHAT needs to be fixed?

Before we ask what went wrong, we should have an understanding of HOW it's affecting us NOW.

For us, it was the immediate, glaring presence of a 9H, 2H, and 8H theme. We were dealing with values, principles, and transformative experiences.

His 9H is naturally packed: JUPITER, VENUS, KARMA, JUNO, PSYCHE, PLUTO and URANUS. Wow. Someone's got some karma to clear there!

My 9H is mostly empty; just CHIRON. (But, oh, how that CHIRON is aspected by his chart -- which we'll look at in a moment.)

My 2H (possessions, personal values, and relationships with special karma) is prominent: my SUN, PLUTO, and BML, with DEJANIRA and KARMA.

His 2H? Nada.

Let's look at the 8H.

His has SUN, MERC, VERTEX, DEJANIRA and PALLAS.

Mine has PRIAPUS and PALLAS. (Trust me on that.)

It's a combination of the three which create the theme; this interplay of 2H, 9H, and 8H: values, principles, evolution, and transformation.

posted June 16, 2014 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Are you in a pessimistic mood, Cappy? I think this only happens in Count of Monte Cristo.

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Yes, after all it's my natural state ^^ I don't think I understand your reference even though I read the book

posted June 16, 2014 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Yes, after all it's my natural state ^^ I don't think I understand your reference even though I read the book

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lol about the natural state

I mean some very tragic events could turn you that bitter so as to change your value system for worse.

posted June 16, 2014 05:02 PM            

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After darkness, shouldn't there be some light?

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posted June 16, 2014 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]After darkness, shouldn't there be some light?

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Naive hope

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posted June 16, 2014 05:13 PM            

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[QUOTE]After darkness, shouldn't there be some light?

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Naive hope

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Light comes from within us, we can always shine for ourselves. PM will come to his own power, but first he must be purged, by his will of course .

posted June 16, 2014 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Light comes from within us, we can always shine for ourselves. PM will come to his own power, but first he must be purged, by his will of course .

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posted June 16, 2014 05:16 PM            

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posted June 16, 2014 05:49 PM            

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What the hell?? Lol, sick cats.

posted June 16, 2014 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

What's wrong with both of you tonight with all this purging and this despair? lol

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I don't know what I was talking about, pls disregard that despairing notice lol.

posted June 17, 2014 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Just a thought, I've read that jupiter can represent our morality, value system, ethics... so would changing/affecting someone's value system involve having a lot of jupiter contacts in synastry?

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Good thought. JUPITER is involved, but that won't be the lynchpin. It's more of a complex theme. 9H is definitely featuring, however.

In fact, the fact that his JUPITER (chartruler) is in 8H in Placidus and 9H in Koch is extremely meaningful. To an extent, a great deal of his identity is driven by and rooted in his chosen principles. It has also been crucial they change. Transform.

posted June 17, 2014 01:32 AM            

My Neptune saggy@11.15
His NN pisces@10.25<~his 2nd house
My Atropos gemini@10.35

This aspects his Saturn taurus@11.00
His IC taurus@10
His AC cap@13.13
My Juno virgo@12 in 12th/his 8th
My Hera taurus@12 in my 8th/his 4th

His Saturn makes an exact Yod with my Neptune and Pluto
His Uranus is on my AC/Pluto in his 8th but only a degree or 2 from 9th house cusp.

His scorp Jupiter is on my scorp Uranus in my 2nd house but too far to aspect these....