posted June 17, 2014 02:21 PM            

Melanie with transits

Antonio with transits

Synastry

Composite with transits

posted June 17, 2014 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Oops...they have cardinal composite angles...and Uranus falls on ASC...hit by the CCross!

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Woa, how can you draw a composite chart with transits?

posted June 17, 2014 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Woa, how can you draw a composite chart with transits?

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posted June 17, 2014 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
When you are facing the composite chart, there's an option in blue (top right) "with transits"

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Thanks . Their Composite is nice, maybe it's just a contemporary break for them. It must be hard to be hit by the CCross on the Composite angles plus the nodal axis.

posted June 17, 2014 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
An interesting Yod with Moon exact quincunx Uranus and Mercury, chart ruler...most likely, the woman is the one that requested "freedom" - she already has Moon/Uranus in her natal. Interestingly, Saturn, MC ruler in their regular composite is now on DSC, like a completed cycle, plus NN conjunct Sun.

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I suppose Saturn on DSC square Moon contributes to it too, Uranian people won't like this.

posted June 17, 2014 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Woman (Moon) sesquisquare Neptune (MC ruler) with Valentine. Pluto on IC. Does this indicate ending?

That square is very wide though, with Saturn...

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I suppose so, her Moon is lonely in the synastry, maybe the transits remind her of the lack of emotional support.

posted June 17, 2014 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
I suppose so, her Moon is lonely in the synastry, maybe the transits remind her of the lack of emotional support.

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posted June 17, 2014 07:53 PM            

What's more the rest of their 5th, 7th, and 8th house ruler synasty is amazing. They have some nice overlays and symbolisim matches too.

SYMBOLIC MATCHES OF THE LOVE HOUSES

He has a Virgo Dsc ruled by Mercury in Leo in the 5th house. His secondary 7th house is his Leo 6th house with Sun and Uranus widely conjunct closest to the 6th house cusp. Melanie is a Leo with Aquarius Moon and a bunch of planets in Virgo. He has Libra on the 8th house and Melanie has Jupiter in Libra. Venus in Virgo rules his 8th house again relating to Melanie's Virgo planets. His 5th house cusp is Cancer and Melanie has Sun in the 4th house.

She has Leo on the 5th house with all of Virgo intercepted in this house. Mars and Pluto are conjunct closest to the 5th house cusp. He is a Leo with Moon in Aries, and what's more, he has a Mars/Pluto square. His Venus in Virgo in her 5th house. She has Scorpio on the 7th house cusp ruled by Pluto in Leo and Mars in Virgo in the 5th house emphasizing the same theme. His Jupiter in Sagittarius and Saturn in Capricorn match the symbolism of her Saturn in the 7th house, and Sagittarius on the 8th house. Her secondary 7th house is Sagittarius on the 8th. This heightens the importance of his Jupiter in Sagittarius in her 8th house, especially since Jupiter is dignified making it stronger.

What's more, she has a Scorpio Dsc and he has Pluto conjunct his 7th house cusp. Their relationship tendencies are similar. Also, she has Pluto conjunct Mars, while he has Pluto square Mars. Each has a scorpionic factor that the other is looking for.

MORE HOUSE RULER SYNASTRY

His 5th house ruler the Moon is part of a grand trine with Her 7th house Sagittarius Saturn and her Leo Uranus. I also think that his 5th house ruler aspecting a planet in her 7th house is significant (It's a 5th house/7th house connection). His 5th house Mercury is aspected by her Jupiter in her 5th house.

Her 5th house ruler the Sun is conjunct his Sun in Leo (this one is pretty potent). And their Venus/Mars conjunction falls into her 5th house.

His 7th house ruler Mercury is sextile her Jupiter in Libra, which also happens to be her 8th house ruler (again this is significant, It's a 7th house/8th house connection). As mentioned before, his Mercury being in his 5th house, and being aspected by her 8th house ruler Jupiter, also in her 5th house, adds a 5th house flavor to this very connection as well. Her Jupiter in Libra falls into his 7th house too. So their simple Mercury/Jupiter sextile involves his 5th and 7th houses and her 5th and 8th houses.

Her Mercury and Venus in Virgo fall into his 7th house conjuncting tightly his Vertex and North Node (did I say WOW yet?). Her 7th house rulers Pluto in Leo and Mars in Virgo conjunct his Venus. Actually, their Venus/Mars conjunction falls very near the mid-point of her 8th house ruler Jupiter, and his 7th house ruler Mercury. And again, Venus is his 8th house ruler while Mars co-rules her 7th house. There's a massive configuration going on here involving his Mercury (ruling his 7th, and in his 5th), her Jupiter (ruling her 8th, and in her 5th, and in his 7th as well), and their Venus/Mars conjunction, if you take midpoints into account. Her other 7th house ruler Pluto is close to this mid-point as well. It's like the same theme is repeating itself over and over again with the 5th, 7th and 8th houses in their synastry.

His Jupiter in her 8th house trines/sextiles her Vertex Axis, as does his Uranus in Leo. They both touch each others Vertex one way or another.

With his Vertex conjunct her Venus she had something exactly that he was looking for. With his Jupiter and Uranus trine/sextile her Vertex Axis, he was able to tune into her idealized scenarios about what fated entanglements are all about (in romance in this case).

Also their Nodal Axis are trineing/sextiling each other, so the way they learn and grow forward together is supposedly harmonious.

She has Eros at 4 Virgo and it squares his Eros/Psyche conjunction at 4 Gemini. Right on top of this is his Pluto at 5 Virgo square his Mars at 5 Gemini. That's some tempestuous chemistry.

posted June 18, 2014 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

Okay so this doesn't explain why the broke up. But is does show why the got together in the first place and stayed together for 20 years or so, perhaps despite some dysfunction. I know she has substance issues.

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If you listen to celebrity gossip, it is this that he has been complaining about since forever. He kept trying to get her to fix this.

Apparently she just can't. It's a shame for her as it's just bringing her misery when she could have had such a happy life.

Do you see what in her chart keeps her in the spiral?

posted June 18, 2014 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
If you listen to celebrity gossip, it is this that he has been complaining about since forever. He kept trying to get her to fix this.

Apparently she just can't. It's a shame for her as it's just bringing her misery when she could have had such a happy life.

Do you see what in her chart keeps her in the spiral?

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I took a quick look at her chart. One factor may be that she has North Node in the 6th house (where she's meant to be going) and South Node in the 12th house (the imbalance she needs to overcome). We all know that the 12th house represents escapism vs the 6th house which represents daily realities. Perhaps this is part of the reason for her struggles with substances.She may be using them as her refuge or escape from banality.

They also have her Neptune square his Mercury in synastry. This aspect can lead to lack of trust about the other partner's truthfulness.

posted June 18, 2014 09:18 AM            

They have an immense chemistry (especially physical) in their synastry and a visible one when you look at them together. The look like a version of the other. But I think their upbringing is very different and Banderas is somehow opposite, an ambitious, rather serious man, despite appearances.
Maybe her ongoing plastic surgery and substance abuse have transformed her a lot in his eyes and one day, poof, it became too visible and she felt it, she has a very sensitive Moon. Apparently he has been very supportive over the years and their love seems undeniable, but when on becomes unrecognizable? Too bad, she had an exceptional natural bone structure that would have made her a beautiful lady in her senior years, just like her mother. I don't want to be mean, but I don't think she is a balanced individual, just by the plastic surgery issue alone (except for medical reasons or some extreme cases)

But beautiful ladies like Melanie or Michelle Pfeiffer doing plastic surgery in their 20s? No. That's wrong, that screams some deep psychological issues and inferiority complexes.

posted June 18, 2014 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

Who knows? These are just my guesses.

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Well, yes. It's all speculation unless she wants to sit down with us and chat. Should we invite her? LOL

Thanks for your astrological insight. I should have seen the 12th house there. There's so much going in a chart and like with chess sometimes I can't focus on everything to get the end result.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I haven't had the chance to take a deeper look at their charts and this is not an astrological input, but she is a child star and the daughter of an iconic star, Tippi Hedren.

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Ah.... I didn't know that. That does say a lot really. It's a shame she couldn't have channeled that in a different way. I hope the kids of stars these days are at least getting support while they are young.

posted June 18, 2014 10:25 AM            

What do I see?

His natal Moon: 7'45 Aries.
Her progressed Mars: 7'41 Libra
His progressed Mars: 6'05 Cancer

His progressed Venus: 7'56 Scorp
His progressed Neptune: 7'50 Scorp
His progressed Pluto: 7'01 Virgo

So, he has a YOD (which in fact he already has in his natal without Venus) but her progressed Mars is making it a boomerang.

Her natal Saturn: 7'41 Sag
Her natal Uranus: 7'56 Leo

(She's going through a minor grand trine with her progressed Mars being the midp. of her natal Saturn/Uranus)
As you see, they share a nice grand trine with his Moon and her Saturn & Uranus in their SYNASTRY. But it's attacked from all sides by their progressed planets.

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Her progessed Sun: 12'29 Libra
His natal Saturn: 12'49 Cap
His progressed Saturn: 12'05 Cap

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She's going through a tight applying Sun/Moon trine;
- Her progressed Sun: 12'29 Libra
- Her natal Moon: 12'58 Aqua

- HIS progressed Sun: 10'53 Libra

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posted June 25, 2014 09:47 AM            

I'd like to add some thoughts on their composite:

Uranus, ruler of the 11th, conjunct his dispositor, the Sun in the 5th shows the relationship somehow reached an ideal for them and a lot of unconditional love was/is involved. Sun/Uranus is in tune with their Uranian natals.

Sun/Uranus is squared by Jupiter ruling 9th - another additional clue to their Uranian theme pointing to an international couple; and squared by Cupido/Amor. Probably they got together quite rapidly. Thsi is also showed by DSC ruler in the 6th.

The Moon ruler of the heart, in 12th and Pisces opposing Venus and Pluto shows very intense love feelings are present in this relationship. Moon conjunct Pallas speaks of a psychic, mental connection as well.

The pretty Water Grand Trine makes a nice Star of David with MC/Union, Lilith and Venus - a passionate, emotionally blessed love.

Saturn, ruler of MC, in the 9th, trine Sun (a bit too wide, this loose trine must be the sign of a feeble Saturnian connection in this relationship))/Mercury. It is in semisquare with Jupiter, its disp - the semisquare shows an important event. Jupiter is squared by Uranus/Sun, so I think the separation is, once more, caused by Uranus, but I'm not sure it is permanent.

Will Saturn overcome the erratic Uranus, discipline it or is it too late? Saturn, although not strongly aspected in this chart, it is however strong as ruler of MC, its rightful place.

posted September 29, 2015 11:31 AM            

There is literally no prog to natal synastry holding them together at this present... which when this happen we are left to the natal chart to keep them together during this time... which there is a lot of transits hitting, which be causing the fallout.

From my point of view there is one...
Melanie's Prog Mars inconj Antonio's natal ASC...

which what I have seen from my prog/natal studies with ASC/Venus/Sun/Mars... that when there is an inconjunction then an "adjustment" needs to be made to keep the relationship going, but since there isn't any positive prog to natal Venus/Mars/Sun/ASC stuff going on there isn't anything supporting this adjustment to be complete (which could of been relating to the drugs).

This is just an example... I have seen a lot of couples have Sun, Mars, ASC to Venus inconj with prog to natal synastry where one of the people move a long distance to be with the other... usually the transition works out when there is something supportive prog to natal synastry to go with the inconj... one example could be...

Person A's natal sun inconj Person's B prog Venus
BUT also has...
Person A's natal Venus trine Person's B prog Mars