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DeepFreeze
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posted June 29, 2014 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is just my thinking and certainly more knowledgeable and experienced people will be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

We focus a lot on things like Venus-Mars or Pluto and Saturn. Because people want passion, heat, great sex, longevity and not too much to stand in the way. They want it all and right now.
But what about just the good ol' asc/sun/moon?
I think that they are getting overlooked sometimes as far as just how much weight that they really carry.

Am I wrong in this thinking? That connections to those three strike us in a very... Core kind of way. In who we are... A more well rounded and complete way. Rather than in this area of life or that.

Anyone agree or disagree?

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LionFish
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posted June 29, 2014 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I fully agree! But at the same time I think their rulers need to be considered as well. Both house and sign rulers.

For instance: my 10h taurus moon is rarely ever aspected in my most meaningful relationships, but saturn and venus are ALWAYS a large part of any synastry that involves a person who really has an effect on me.

I think people are automatically jumping to venus/mars, venus/saturn, etc before they even consider the big 3 because most folks are interested in instant gratification. like, who cares if we are actually good together as long as the sex is good..seems kinda one night standish to me...

Just tryin to say, I feel you. Lol

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SoujiroSeta
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posted June 29, 2014 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoujiroSeta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it depends on the person i guess.

Pluto, Uranus, and mercury, and jupiter aspects are a must for me. There must also be hard attraction aspects, or my mars in 8th cant feed off the intense physical attraction.

It doesn't matter how much asc/sun/moon/venus aspects we have in synastry/composite. If there is no pluto, i find I don't have a need to want to know the person deeper per say. No uranus, and things become routine, no excitement, etc. My uranus natal aspects, especially venus oppose uranus, don't like routine. Jupiter is nice. Goes very well with my jupiter aspects and Sag Asc. No jupiter, and we don't laugh/expand each other. No laugher = boring, no expansion = stale = boring. No mercury, and my venus in gemini/libra moon are bored to tears.

I've had moon-moon, sun-moon, asc-sun/moon, etc, coupled with "attraction" aspects and I've passed many of these people by without taking much notice. Even after conversing with them it was just like "Okay, I guess we can get along, but most likely on a very casual level" The other person usually would take a heightened interest in me. So i'm guessing the contacts we had in synastry were the ones that triggered something in their natal.

For me personally if those 4 planets (pluto/mercury/uranus/jupiter) aren't aspected then something feels off. They all have to be aspected too, either in synastry, composite, or a mix between the 4. If one is missing then I feel like a part of me doesn't have an outlet for expression.

So it really depends on the person.

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FruityLlama
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posted June 29, 2014 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruityLlama     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I've started noticing that I don't particularly like people who trine or semi-sextile my sun for some reason. It's just my sun though. But I do tend to attract people with their moon in the same sign as my ascendant. There's probs a dozen or so reasons lurking in my chart. I think because personal planets and angles can be influenced so easily by other stuff, it's harder to tell. Possibly because the Sun, Moon and Asc represent more specific things, rather than love style-Venus, sexual-Mars, that kind of thing.
Maybe- I could be wrong though.

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Ceridwen
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posted June 29, 2014 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Deep Freeze,

exactly.

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posted June 29, 2014 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought actually that the big three was sun/venus/mars in therms of synastry!
In that way I'm "lucky" then, cause my boyfriend and me share the same moon and ascendant, but not compatible sun (libra/virgo - wouldn't consider them incompatible either though)

We don't share a compatible venus/mars either, he is libra/gemini and I'm scorpio/virgo

But I really think we are much alike anyways…we even look alike lol (that's not a good thing, it's no fun to be called brother and sister when you're a couple)

But I feel comfortable with him this way, cause we think the same, and we are probably also going to transform/evolve in the same way. We have the same themes in life, the same interests (many not all)

Would it be boring then? Probably, but at least we have a nice friendship too, and we are both uranian and martian enough to be exciting, and always on the go!

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posted June 29, 2014 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would agree!!
I know everyone I've been deeply interested in or loved has had either a Moon or AC on my Sun or they had Angles on my Angles....there's only been 3 of these as of yet and I'm still friends with all of them, one is my best friend, the other is kind of like my big brother when we are together we pick on each other constantly!
The one with his Moon on my Sun was amazing, like we could read each other's minds, say the same things at the same time and just in general agreed on everything, such an easy relationship flow...he's still my best friend even though we have not seen each other in years. He wants me to move closer to where he lives, I've been thinking about it. His Venus/Mercury is on my SN and his Vertex squares my Nodes. My Neptune squares his nodes and we have exact Valentine/Valentine which sextiles his NN and trines his Saturn and my Juno....I think Valentine/Valentine is probably my overall favorite aspect.

The guy with his AC/Mercury on my Sun/Merc/Neptune, we had a lot if fun. It felt like on the surface we were alike but after awhile I could tell deep down we were not that much alike, I don't think we were coming from the same place. We probably had the best/easiest synastry of all three of these relationships but it just didn't feel right, I think because he didn't have anything deep touching my Sun/Moon or angles.
Regarding the Angles I like planet to the IC/DC/MC more than the AC to planet connections. The AC is more of an appearance, the other angles are you on a deeper level. But AC is awesome for physical attraction to someone.

The guy who's AC was exact on my DC, all angles exact....I described our relationship like we were 2 peas in a pod. We never argued, we just got each other. We are still good friends. Our relationship is still all about making each other laugh, which is effortless. The Angle conjunct Angle feels like a perfect fit....even when it isn't!

His pisces Mars in 12th squares his gemini Venus and his saggy Neptune, all of which are in hard aspect to my saggy stellium.
I got to where I didn't trust him any farther than I could throw him. Lol
He told me he cheated on his ex wife soooo many times, even the night before they got married at his bachelor party! After he told me that, I never looked at him the same. I felt bad for feeling like that because he was trying to change, which included being completely open and honest....I wish he would have kept that between him and his therapist though.
He never cheated on me but I don't know how long he could keep that up, his pisces Mars and gemini Venus alone is a shady combination then add Neptune, not good at all!
I know he would do anything for me though!
He still invites me out to gamble on him, and we always have so much fun. Strangely we always win, last time we split a 5000 dollar jack pot, after he paid himself back the 1500 he spent to win it and we split 3500.
His Moon and Uranus were 3 degrees conjunct with my Venus sitting right in between them.
His Sun is on my SN, my Pluto squares his Nodes.

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starrynight
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posted July 09, 2014 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starrynight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree on their importance--I actually saw a few synastry charts of short-lived affairs recently and most featured intense Mars-Venus yet problematic Sun and Moon aspects. For example, one had Mars-Venus conjunction and Mars trine Mars yet the Moon contacts were nothing but squares and opposites.

But what I think is--if there is no sexual chemistry, how will a relationship ever come to happen? I mean romantic relationships, of course. There are asexual relationships, platonic love, sure, but if we take averages. If there is no sexual attraction, there won't be any romance to begin with. Friendship, sure, with great synastry comes great friendship.

Also, I guess, it depends on how you like your romance to be served I noticed I like both my Sun and my Moon to be involved, but not too much. Too much feels like a sibling, not a lover. Yet with the majority of my friends I have comfortable Sun-Moon aspects. I also have a thing for Moon-Mars aspects in romantic synastry, a really tight sextile or a trine.

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posted July 10, 2014 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal09     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have noticed all the major relationships I have had have had me activate the other's angles & not mine The relationship I am in now, activates MY angles as well as his. His Vertex/Sn conjunction is on my Asc. Our Mc & Ic 's are widely conjunct & Moon's are squared. Suns are tight sextile

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posted July 10, 2014 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by fireopal09:
I have noticed all the major relationships I have had have had me activate the other's angles & not mine The relationship I am in now, activates MY angles as well as his. His Vertex/Sn conjunction is on my Asc. Our Mc & Ic 's are widely conjunct & Moon's are squared. Suns are tight sextile


Yes! I think the angles are HUGE HUGE HUGE!

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posted July 10, 2014 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitely.

Sun, Moon

but ALSO

ASC-DESC, MC-IC

and not to forget

Nodes.


You can really get the gist and core connection, just using these. though personally I always consider the rulers of the angles as sort of messengers of the angles, hence for me Venus and Mars are part of it as well, as they are ruling MC and IC, and Mercury and Jupiter ruling DESC and ASC and the nodal axis.


So that would my individual expanding on the theme.

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Ceridwen
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posted July 10, 2014 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh and expanding some more, straying a bit from the luminary theme.

What i find is not really considered often, is the individual "romance - houses". EVeryone is big on the 5th, 7th house and so on, but I find that the houses where the natal ruler of 7th or 5th or even 8th fall, can become a romantic houses.


So for let´s say 80% of the population the 12th house might be a big No-Go (not really, the percentage is far lower), but if the ruler of the 5th or 7th house fall there, or even Venus is there, the 12th house is certainly a significant romance-house.


Of course it keeps its natural style, which I personally love (but I have Mars in 12th house, as ruler of 4th, and Valentine and Amor, love and emotional intimacy has a lot to do with the 12th house magic for me). But it means that people with the 7th house ruler in 12th house are pretty much wired like that, they NEED that kind of exchange (though they may not always like it, depending on how well integrated their 7th house ruler is in their overall chart; if it is wildly incompatible with Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars, the 7th house ruler actually might be experienced in more antagonistic ways).

Example is my little brother.
He`s got Sun and Mercury in 12th house (Pisces and Aquarius).
Mercury rules his DESC, so it means his 7th house ruler is in 12th house.

So our little family fish really needs the floatiness of 12th house interaction.


How about his girlfriend?
Sun, Venus and Mercury in 12th house (Sun and Venus in Pisces).

her 7th house ruler is Venus, and she is placed in Pisces in 12th house.


So these two really need the same 12th house theme in terms of relationships. It may seem strange for other people, but it is what floats their boat - literally.


Their 7th house rulers (in each natal`s 12th house) - his Mercury in aquarius, her Venus in Pisces - are even widely conjunct (4.52).

her Venus falls into his 12th ouse clearly, his Mercury is in her 11th house, but conjunct her 12th house cusp.


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To return to the original topic of the thread, which was not the 12th house I suppose. lol

She has a Sun-Moon-opposition natally overlaying his ASC-DESC-axis.

Her Sun conjunct his ASC (1)
her Moon conjunct his DESC (0)

her Sun conjunct his Avx (1)
her Moon conjunct his Vx (0)

her Sun also squares his nodal axis (4)
his Moon conjuncts her SN (2)


to just name the outstanding connections (there are mroe).


But yes, I suppose they are freaking soulmates.

Took him quite by surprise. He never wanted to commit to any girl, and she walked into his life, and in the beginning he actually wanted to break up with her quite quickly, and had to realize he simply couldn`t without tearing out his own heart. I have NEVER seen my brother so crestfallen and lost and totally confused as in the week he had broken up with her. Well that has been 8 years ago, and they are still unbreakable.

I suppose the astrology shows a little why.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 10, 2014 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

So for let´s say 80% of the population the 12th house might be a big No-Go (not really, the percentage is far lower), but if the ruler of the 5th or 7th house fall there, or even Venus is there, the 12th house is certainly a significant romance-house.



They have a great synastry, plus a grand cross intermingled with a kite, that's unbreakable and brings high feelings of love and compatibility

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bansheequeen
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posted July 10, 2014 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed. Mars and venus don't run as deep unless they make a connection to something more personal. The outer planets bring strong forces into a relationship. Pluto is about life and death and sex but it runs deeper and more primal than just... sex for the fun of it. That's a sun/mars/5th house thing.

Also think of all the people who mistake sex and passion for true love. To them maybe venus/mars/pluto contacts seem like true love. I need to have my moon aspected. I think the moon is like the biggest part of a relationship, but then some people might ignore their emotional side.

Angles are super important to me! There's a sense of karmic meant to be-ness to it.

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