posted June 29, 2014 02:48 PM            

The story (I know it from the inside, so these are facts):

A beautiful true love relationship of 20 + years. The two have been in love all this time and a model for everyone around - as lovers. Perhaps what they did too much was to do almost everything together - no separate activities whatsoever.

Uranus opp natal Uranus and the man claims to have fallen in love with a colleague (not younger, married), moves out and in with her, asks for divorce. Because he has never been interested in another woman in all those 20 + years, takes this crush very seriously, believes it must be a great love (or maybe it is). The wife loves him dearly, like always.

A classic or maybe not so much "midlife crisis" story

Before looking at transits, how do the synastry/composite look to you?

What happened? Is reconciliation suggested from the charts?

Synastry (she's inside)

Composite

And the progressed composite, which is quite telling

posted June 29, 2014 03:47 PM            

The divorce isn't finalized.

He moved out in March.

Before moving out there were many discussions for several months.

posted June 29, 2014 04:12 PM            

They have many conjunctions - Union/Saturn, Jupiter/Juno+Venus, Neptune/Psyche+Alma, Priapus/Ceres, in addition to all the lovely attraction aspects.

Chiron on the DSC or Chiron on Mars are said to indicate sudden ends. Chiron conjunct Union in the composite may be related to these.

posted June 29, 2014 06:00 PM            

Just off the top his Moon squares her Mars and his Mars squares her Venus, shows attraction but in the long term might have him noticing where he's not being emotionally or sexually fulfilled.

In March they both had IC transits,
-him, scorpio neptune rules ic, placed in 12th, t.saturn conjunct,
falling in love hidden from home life, ic ruler neptune natally squares venus, but saturn hasn't squared his venus yet (exact aspect). Saturn through the 12th working on hidden issues that he needs to make sense of before saturn crosses the asc, maybe he's working out sexual desires with her he couldn't express with his wife (Scorpio), I notice his Mars also squares the wife's Venus. transiting Pluto might be nearing opp his Sun in the 8th. Their synastry is likely weighted in that dimension.

-her, aries saturn rules ic, placed in 7th, t.uranus conjunct,
points to being given space to acknowledge her emotional independence within relationships, possible natal issue with sun (emphasizing male partner) squaring neptune, cementing her identity in the partner. "No separate activities whatsoever." Transiting Saturn is moving through her 2nd house evaluating her worth. That same Uranus was square his sun emphasizing some kind of rebellion, and Sun 8th for him points to sexual experimentation.

For me, I'd like to see both of their charts set for March, the natal/progressed/solar arc option.
That'll show me also their natals so I can see their synastry. Only if you care to post.

posted June 30, 2014 06:33 AM            

Lonake, here are their charts for March. Both have very strong charts, that's for sure.

posted June 30, 2014 07:35 AM            

I'm posting it for you to see some Neptune in action, but I won't leave it long, the woman is not aware I'm using her data for case studies here (she has a website, that's where the data is from, plus the wife knows her)

What do you think?

posted June 30, 2014 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Thanks LeeLoo.

Just off the top his Moon squares her Mars and his Mars squares her Venus, shows attraction but in the long term might have him noticing where he's not being emotionally or sexually fulfilled.

In March they both had IC transits,
-him, scorpio neptune rules ic, placed in 12th, t.saturn conjunct,
falling in love hidden from home life, ic ruler neptune natally squares venus, but saturn hasn't squared his venus yet (exact aspect). Saturn through the 12th working on hidden issues that he needs to make sense of before saturn crosses the asc, maybe he's working out sexual desires with her he couldn't express with his wife (Scorpio), I notice his Mars also squares the wife's Venus. transiting Pluto might be nearing opp his Sun in the 8th. Their synastry is likely weighted in that dimension.

-her, aries saturn rules ic, placed in 7th, t.uranus conjunct,
points to being given space to acknowledge her emotional independence within relationships, possible natal issue with sun (emphasizing male partner) squaring neptune, cementing her identity in the partner. "No separate activities whatsoever." Transiting Saturn is moving through her 2nd house evaluating her worth. That same Uranus was square his sun emphasizing some kind of rebellion, and Sun 8th for him points to sexual experimentation.

For me, I'd like to see both of their charts set for March, the natal/progressed/solar arc option.
That'll show me also their natals so I can see their synastry. Only if you care to post.

Id like to see what others say on the composite, and pr.comp.

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Amazing analysis, Lonake, that's almost exactly as I told her, not astrology-based.
She's an Aqua after all, Uranus on ASC and there was no Aqua vibe in their relationship coming from her.
He's a very lunar/water individual (in behavior). Evolved and changed in time as something very Scorpionic (also his looks changed a lot in this respect).
She looks the same. BTW, she looks like his mother the other doesn't.

posted June 30, 2014 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
The answers to your questions would be more than telling. The separation, indeed, casts doubt on how long lasting many binding aspects in synastry can be.

They have many conjunctions - Union/Saturn, Jupiter/Juno+Venus, Neptune/Psyche+Alma, Priapus/Ceres, in addition to all the lovely attraction aspects.

Chiron on the DSC or Chiron on Mars are said to indicate sudden ends. Chiron conjunct Union in the composite may be related to these.

Re progressed composite: Could Uranus/Pluto square Sun/Venus have been the deal breaker?

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posted June 30, 2014 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I see they have Mars square Saturn which has been noted here before in long term relationships.

I don't read composites but I did notice that.

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In the comp I see Moon (9th house - isn't this connected to a second partner?) squaring 5th house ruler, Moon sesquis by Mars ( a sudden Mars input) and in connection with Pholus and Vertex - this config could show this break-up, possibly.

ASC ruler conjunct Uranus...still, it's a lovely comp with Sun i 7th, Venus in 1st, Moon in 10th, Sun/Merc trine Vesta...planets and asteroids a bit disconnected though, not many close aspects.

posted June 30, 2014 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I REALLY like the pALMA-JUNO conjunction.

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posted June 30, 2014 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Did I see that right? Chiron on DC and ruler of DC is hit hard by DC and various other planets?
If so, these aspects put together's a dealbreaker

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posted June 30, 2014 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
"The other woman", TOB unkn, suspected Leo ASC. Neptune fairy tales

I'm posting it for you to see some Neptune in action, but I won't leave it long, the woman is not aware I'm using her data for case studies here (she has a website, that's where the data is from, plus the wife knows her)

What do you think?

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Apart from the Neptune you mentioned, I'm seeing a Moon/Moon opp, with her Moon trining his Venus/Juno conjunction, and her Lilith conjuncting that, though widely.

Consolation? Is it just a smoother relationship post-Chiron return?

posted June 30, 2014 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Apart from the Neptune you mentioned, I'm seeing a Moon/Moon opp, with her Moon trining his Venus/Juno conjunction, and her Lilith conjuncting that, though widely.

Consolation? Is it just a smoother relationship post-Chiron return?

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I think her Lilith there counts, in this context. They also have his Lilith opposing her Sun/Vesta mdp, so interesting (more like Lilith opp Vesta, in fact) They're both still married and literally moved out of their spouse-s homes to move in together. It's a bit of a scandal in two families, to be honest.

His uncharacteristic behavior is a total shock for everyone. A total reversal of sorts. They really have had a beautiful relationship for so many years, such a beautiful couple, obviously in love and attracted to each other and very good friends and buddies as well

posted June 30, 2014 10:26 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Is it just a smoother relationship post-Chiron return?

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posted June 30, 2014 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think her Lilith there counts, in this context. They also have his Lilith opposing her Sun/Vesta mdp, so interesting (more like Lilith opp Vesta, in fact) They're both still married and literally moved out of their spouse-s homes to move in together. It's a bit of a scandal in two families, to be honest.

His uncharacteristic behavior is a total shock for everyone. A total reversal of sorts. They really have had a beautiful relationship for so many years, such a beautiful couple, obviously in love and attracted to each other and very good friends and buddies as well

I'd also like to know what you think about that...what could bring an out of character behavior like this? Could it be Neptune in those aspects? Or has he transformed in the shadow, underneath the facade?

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I don't know. Like you originally posted and others have mentioned, they had such great chemistry, but there does seem a lack of harmonious aspects, particularly with their Mars. I think this could be a change-of-life issue, you just want different things as you grow older. What a shame though.

posted June 30, 2014 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
I don't know. Like you originally posted and others have mentioned, they had such great chemistry, but there does seem a lack of harmonious aspects, particularly with their Mars. I think this could be a change-of-life issue, you just want different things as you grow older. What a shame though.

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Thanks! Yeah, life and its mysteries.

I wonder if it's his Mars, though. It's heavily aspected. However, her Venus in Cap is not. Maybe her femininity hasn't been stimulated by this relationship and in the long run, at some point, it was reflected on the man. There is a difference between the two women in this respect; not in beauty, but in femininity, yes.

So classic though lol it looks like the old recipes never fail.

posted June 30, 2014 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thanks! Yeah, life and its mysteries.

I wonder if it's his Mars, though. It's heavily aspected. However, her Venus in Cap is not. Maybe her femininity hasn't been stimulated by this relationship and in the long run, at some point, it was reflected on the man. There is a difference between the two women in this respect; not in beauty, but in femininity, yes.

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?? Isn't her Venus squaring his Mars and Lilith opp? And opposing her Lust?

And I just remembered what I forgot earlier: His Lilith is conjuncting her NN.