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posted July 02, 2014 02:22 PM            

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I DO NOT KNOW BIRTH TIMES! THESE ARE "NOON" CHARTS!

He is suspect (and did admit to) murdering his wife.
I used to work with both people. Although he is an Aries, his Scorpio moon really showed. He was such a quiet guy and very much kept to himself. He was a nice guy though and I had grown kind of close to him. I haven't seen him for years but we did hang out some. He helped me work on a car, I looked at his car, etc. He really was a nice guy. He worked on my car with no desire of being compensated or anything. Just a nice guy.

She was VERY sweet. She would get upset, but even when she was upset it was hard not to take her side. She was just a very sweet, smiling person.
Though it was apparent that they had issues, and this was years ago. I remember him telling me, "I don't even try to have sex any more. I just ask her if we're having sex or not."

It's very sad.... although I haven't had contact with either of them for several years. They were both very nice people. Something in him snapped. It affects me because... jeez.. it's just a total waste. Makes me sad.

What I saw is Pluto(r) conjunct Mars (otherwise unaspected)
But I don't know how exactly that works.

EDIT: It does make me wonder how much we really see each others moons vs Sun. Hmmmmm.....

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HIS NATAL UNKNOWN BT

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posted July 02, 2014 02:29 PM            

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posted July 02, 2014 02:30 PM            

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What do you mean by this?

EDIT: It does make me wonder how much we really see each others moons vs Sun. Hmmmmm.....

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posted July 02, 2014 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What do you mean by this?

[b]EDIT: It does make me wonder how much we really see each others moons vs Sun. Hmmmmm..... [/B]

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Oh, well I just mean if you walked up to the guy. He really didn't seem like an Aries. He was really really quiet. I mean he really seemed Scorpio big time. But his sun is Aries.

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posted July 02, 2014 02:41 PM            

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It seems to me the Cardinal Cross triggered their wider aspects their wide Cardinal cross ( a tough one), lurking in the background, but because it's not aligned, it hasn't been felt since the beginning, so an unfamiliar energy in the background - the case of triggering a wide aspect IMO.

There's also: unaspected loose very tight Mars/Pluto, not supported, mutually triggering Scorpio Moon; unaspected Saturn in Taurus (energy that builds) triggered by Mercury Pluto (hurtful words); unaspected Uranus expanded by Jupiter; Mars in Cap (also building up)

and this is just the synastry, the potential for those triggers being there from the beginning ...I suppose transits would show all these triggers and others as well.

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posted July 02, 2014 02:44 PM            

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Thanks LeeLoo. Very insightful!

I wish I had time right now. I can put up the composite/transits much later if there is interest, or if you would like me to. I don't have a problem with it.

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posted July 02, 2014 02:47 PM            

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energy has been building up in the man for a long time, a ticking bomb energy, triggered by the Cardinal Cross.

I am very impressed by your story and just by looking at the synastry...ugh

what can I say? may their souls return to light

Sure, you can post the transits, no problem. this is also important astrology

Composite would be interesting as well.

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posted July 02, 2014 02:59 PM            

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Just from what you've said about their dynamics, I'm picking out her Sun opp his Venus, her Mars on his Pluto, and maybe her Saturn completing a grand trine with his Venus and Moon..Resentment? This latter is always described as being stabilising, but in this context, it could maybe have compounded their issues.

ETA: And how. I just noticed that her Sun ties in to the grand trine because of the opp to his Venus, and his Mars opposes her Saturn as well? His Mars and Venus were both getting walloped by this relationship.

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posted July 02, 2014 03:08 PM            

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Ticking time bomb sounds about right. Even years ago, I could tell he was frustrated, yet, obsessed. It was subtle... but you just knew it went deep.

Here's the composite with transits.
Apparently transits can't be selected with synastry?

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posted July 02, 2014 03:15 PM            

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Oh, well I just mean if you walked up to the guy. He really didn't seem like an Aries. He was really really quiet. I mean he really seemed Scorpio big time. But his sun is Aries.

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Terribly sad.

That could also be his asc that you saw, of course.

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posted July 02, 2014 03:18 PM            

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Terribly sad.

That could also be his asc that you saw, of course.

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Oh, very true. I overlooked that obvious thing. Maybe he was Scorpio asc with moon in twelfth but it's all speculation.

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posted July 02, 2014 03:20 PM            

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It is sad because apart they were both good people that I could see. They just were not good for each other.

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posted July 02, 2014 03:22 PM            

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BTW, I think if one is Aries Sun, but you can't tell it by his demeanor, it's probably not a good thing

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posted July 02, 2014 03:29 PM            

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Here the cross with Chiron is almost perfect...this is impressive...and sitting on the nodal axis...so is Mars/Uranus opp ...

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posted July 02, 2014 03:31 PM            

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But the transits should be for the day in question, I guess...

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posted July 02, 2014 03:34 PM            

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They are. It was Monday

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posted July 02, 2014 03:38 PM            

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BTW, I think if one is Aries Sun, but you can't tell it by his demeanor, it's probably not a good thing

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True!
I actually believe even back then he was just in some kind of downward spiral due to being with her. Just.. Obsession and crazy both.
Still never expected this though.

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posted July 02, 2014 03:41 PM            

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Then maybe it's a bit early for an analysis, but since we've started...I think it's very impressive how Sun and Venus conjunct their composite equivalents

Apart from the impressive cross with Chiron, I notice how Mars fuels the cross, the nodal axis, and of course, Mars square Moon, Moon also fueling the cross...although we don't know exactly the Moon's position, but it is such an emblematic configuration for male/female energies connected to the nodal axis

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posted July 02, 2014 04:12 PM            

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In the synastry, notice how his Sun is basically unaspected, not even a quincunx, apart from that dreaded Chiron/Uranus ( in this case)...with Chiron so close! only those 4th harmonic here...it's a bad synastry, if you look more closely.

The only aspect to his Sun in the natal is a rather loose square from Mars...I think he was taken by surprise by his own (re)action. The not-so-felt square was activated.

Was it by firearm?

Another thing I've noticed about their synastry: they have only one rather soft and sweet square. So they were not used to the energy of the square! being active together, solving conflicts, teaming up to do things etc. I find this very interesting. Thanks for posting the chart, DP...it is heartbreaking, and to see someone's life like this, on a map, in front of your eyes, but it's important astrology.

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posted July 02, 2014 04:30 PM            

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You're welcome.

It was strangulation BTW.
It makes a lot of sense. Good learning experience.

I'm almost certain he is regretting it and remorseful.
I think he just snapped.
He did turn himself in.

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posted July 02, 2014 04:40 PM            

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awww...that is very personal...an intimate act, an act of possession...I think I need a break now haha

it's pretty obvious from the chart remorse is more than likely

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posted July 02, 2014 04:45 PM            

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awww...that is very personal...an intimate act, an act of possession...I think I need a break now haha

it's pretty obvious from the chart remorse is more than likely

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No problem!
I'm a bit of a weirdo. These things fascinate me to no end.
I can watch Forensic Files all day or shows like that. Barbie gets to where she's like it's scary and too much evilness and needs to change it.

I just dive right into this stuff and want to know everything there is.

You're right about the method too. Very intimate... A very personal kind of attack. Probably blinding with passion....

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posted July 02, 2014 05:04 PM            

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hahaha to be honest, I'm interested in Crime Files Forensics etc. as well (my 8th house probably, duh!) I'm not surprised your ASC/Pluto and your 12th house love them

Someone has to delve into this stuff too, right??

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posted July 02, 2014 05:13 PM            

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Yep!
And my Jupiter in 8th trines

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posted July 02, 2014 05:23 PM            

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There is another thing here...sorry, I keep taking glances at their charts...there is a seemingly beautiful configuration in the synastry: the Mystic Rectangle making a House (or Castle) - which is probably why they have been together in the first place - apexing to the Scorpio Moon. So all the energy in this relationship cumulated in the Scorpio Moon, just as you suspected. The Moon was fed and fed and fed by this energy...but because the rest of the synastry poses problems, especially his planets, if this energy was a bad one...the "monster" in the Scorpio Moon was fed as well.

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