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Wild Horses
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posted July 03, 2014 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm wanting someone who I can give birth data to and they will look at the Progressed Synastry, Composite, Davison and Progressions of those, transits, etc. to see if they see indications a relationship will form between two people. If so, what type of relationship... romantic, platonic, social?

I know this would take an exhaustive study of the charts in question, but I am willing to pay for the work. Is this a service a professional astrologer would provide? I've never used a professional before, except for some computer generated reports I've purchased.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?
If there are any serious hobbyists or semi-professionals who would be willing to check the charts that would be appreciated, too.

I've seen things in the Progressed synastry down the road such as pMars on pVenus, his pSun on my nMoon, my pSun on his nSun, trine his nMoon, his pPart of Fortune on my pPart of Fortune, pValentine on pValentine, etc and many others involving angles, lights, etc. I'm just not experienced enough to know how to use this info in a predictive way.

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posted July 03, 2014 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can think of two right away:

iQ - see his website details at the bottom of his posts. He's great for karmic influences, asteroids, psychic links, advice on kundalini, in addition to the usual charts. http://tamsoft.co.in/New_services.html

Quinn Leigh (I think that's her name)- she hasn't posted here recently but her user name was Quinnie and then Quinnlycanastro. A top astrologer - perhaps someone else knows her contact details.

This is her fb page: https://www.facebook.com/AbsurdistArts

I recall that LeeLoo gave you a brief but masterly summary.

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Wild Horses
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posted July 03, 2014 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I recall that LeeLoo gave you a brief but masterly summary.

Thanks for the information, Astro keen. Yes, LeeLoo has been very, very helpful, as well as many others.

I'm mostly seeking Professional help for future Predictive Astrology techniques. I know there are major key transits, progressions, etc that are often strong indicators of a relationship and it's nature. I'm currently researching predictive astrology, but am not an expert at it by any means.


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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 04, 2014 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both for your words of appreciation.

Wild Horses, maybe you want to check the threads Predictive love charts and Persona charts and synastry for predictive methods and Ceri's thread on Paul Westran's work here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000037.html

Personally, I believe (and noticed) that if we are to cast charts with celebs who attract us, we often find a lot of connections there, even meeting markers such as NN/Vertex etc. as if we are to meet the person and sometimes the synastry looks very good, ideal even. BUT it doesn't mean we'll meet them or have a relationship with them. Unless you are the Infante of Spain who has just been married to the Prince of England and hasn't met him yet, but knows he's going to be her husband, I see no point in casting charts with a person we haven't met or we don't know we'll meet. The charts say nothing, it will be totally misleading. The charts have predictive value only with people we've already met, in person.

If you don't believe me, you can cast charts with the celebs you like, you'll find a lot of perfect matches there


I think from this POV, astrology should be totally retroactive. We meet someone and THEN we cast the charts, to see how the relationship may evolve. The reverse is totally misleading.

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posted July 04, 2014 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you married or otherwise involved? I feel you owe a debt to another man who isn't the one in question.

I wouldn't say anything if that wasn't SCREAMING in the back of my mind.

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posted July 04, 2014 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
... I see no point in casting charts with a person we haven't met or we don't know we'll meet. The charts say nothing, it will be totally misleading. The charts have predictive value only with people we've already met, in person.

If you don't believe me, you can cast charts with the celebs you like, you'll find a lot of perfect matches there

I think from this POV, astrology should be totally retroactive. We meet someone and THEN we cast the charts, to see how the relationship may evolve. The reverse is totally misleading.


That, too. The Internet and easy accessibility of information can be a double-edged sword. While I've been a pro myself for years, I do hold fast to that. Used to have friends point out the connexions in their synastry with someone they never met or even crossed paths. I used to be befuddled by it. Later, I learnt a simple rule:

We meet the ones we do for a reason.
We DON'T meet for reasons, too.

As an 'intuitive' or whatever you want to call it, what I immediately got from your situation, WH, is the sense you're running from something you need to be settling, to a fantasy which is a very powerful, very beautiful mirage.

Maybe he is a powerful soulmate. But, so what?

The time taken away from my Twin has been SO illuminating. I'm convinced that we waste more time in daydreaming speculation of what we don't have in these instances, that we end up wrecking or otherwise weakening what we DO.

Now I'm not saying you're diverting your time unwisely. I believe you want to embark upon a true spiritual journey. And whatever this man fired up within you is great.

But right now, it's ALL YOU.

Perhaps, yes, the two of you met elsewhere and got on gangbusters. Predictive astrology may be showing turning points and milestones in THAT timeline -- IF we carry the same charts across the spectrum. (I've got no clue on that yet.)

But just as no tool could bring my Twin and I back into contact, neither can it do the same for you and a stranger. Very potent aspects are just that -- potential. How we act, and the choices we make -- THOSE set the course. WE choose the course, for better or worse.

I think it's most crucial you first look to see if you're under any NEPTUNE influences -- as those can be so complicated, and often illusory. Then your focus needs to be on YOU, and who and what's IN your life -- HERE -- and now.

Anything else is, as Lee stated, unfortunately misleading.

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Wild Horses
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posted July 04, 2014 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear your opinions and concerns for my personal life, unfortunately, I truly didn't ask for them.

I've been very honest and forthright in all my posts that yes, I am married, and yes, I am experiencing very conflicting feelings in regard to the spiritual awakening that this other man has triggered in me. However, these are matters I have discussed in painful honesty with my husband, and he is fully aware of the struggle I am having.

While I understand some think looking at astrological connections with people we are not in a current relationship with is futile, I, personally, am not of that belief. Furthermore, I would not waste my money on paying for a Professional Astrologer to run thorough analysis on charts of someone I was never going to meet. There is a 99.9999 percent chance I will be meeting him and interacting with him more than once... many times. He and I will be crossing paths often through our joint charity involvement. The ONLY reason I have not ALREADY met him on several occasions is because I cancelled MY plans to attend those events because of my reluctance to accept the possibility of twin flame/twin soul connections being real. While I do have romantic feelings for him, I do not assume he and I would have a romantic relationship. We may very well only have a casual friendship or even a strictly social involvement doing joint charity work. I am interested in seeing what the charts show, though, before I actually encounter him face to face. I am a proactive person, and I believe in the saying forewarned is forearmed.

Again, while I appreciate your sentiments, I would ask that you please refrain from casting personal moral judgements on others who come here seeking Astrological insight. It is very off putting.

Quite frankly, I came here seeking Astrological Advice, not marital or moral advice.

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IndigoDirae
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posted July 04, 2014 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please, please, please clear this karma. Or you MAY very well be 'dooming' yourself to the path where you never go beyond that 99.99% chance.

Follow?

I'm not being moralistic. I'm being ... real.

Incidentally, I recall from your synastry and composite seeing evidence of soulmates, rather than Twin Flames. It seemed to me like the possibility of a karmic reward relationship upon clearing of individual and personal karma.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 04, 2014 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure your last post is addressed to me. Just as a precaution, I don't judge you and I hope you know this, we've already discussed it. It doesn't mean some questions aren't to be raised...I think any professional astrologer, some sort of spiritual guide as well- and an astrologer should be like this IMO - would ask you those questions: for example, how do you mix your marriage with the fascination for this person etc. Not to judge you, but to help you clear your path. We can't ignore moral issues when moral issues are at stake, no matter how PC or non-judgmental we want to be.

What about meeting him first and then see if you want to cast the charts anymore? You don't know how the meeting will impact you, you don't know if you even want to analyze further, no one can predict that. Why spending your money before? I'm telling you from experience, seeing someone on a screen and meeting him in person can be a totally different experience and we can't anticipate how it will be.

That's why I said that, not to judge you


Plus, I honestly believe it is some sort of bad luck to analyze a relationship without a meeting.

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IndigoDirae
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posted July 04, 2014 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Lee.

That being said, if we're strictly talking astrology, I suggest to look closely at KARMA (3811) when seeking a direction of how to approach something. Especially of this nature.

Look at it in respect to you, the transits of the year you begin your awakening, your progressions, and how it is in relationship to those in which you invest your time and energy.

Check the NODES, KARMA, and SATURN.

Anytime you have one of these 'just doesn't happen yet' -- regardless if you're the one holding back (there are always reasons) -- it typically shows outstanding karma that must first be balanced.

I've learnt if you ignore the signs, it just gets harder, longer, and more drawn out and complicated. Personal experience here.

Did you know my VERTEX is on my husband's KARMA, Lee? 1°? Which then also puts it on my Twin's ASC.

... Criminy. That explained a lot. I think it's on the AQU stellium I have with my Guardian, along the IC.

Amazing how interconnected that single point is.

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Wild Horses
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posted July 04, 2014 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, I have been married for 22 years! That's 2-2 Y-E-A-R-S. Over Two Decades. From the age of 19 to now... every day... married. There is absolutely NOTHING you can teach me about marriage unless you are someone who also has spent over half their lifetime married to the same man. I, however, could write you a marriage manual.
In all that time, I have never ONCE, not one single time had any interest in any other man. I remained faithful to my husband in heart, mind, and body.

However, the NUMBER ONE, PRIMARY thing that matters in marriage is HONESTY. My husband and I have that. We tell each other everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly. We have unreal communication. You know those marriages that end amicably and the people remain close friends for the rest of their lives. That would be us. I'm not saying our marriage will end, I'm just pointing out that it if did, we would remain close. We care about each other's well being.

That being said, my husband also knows that there is something different in respect to this other man. First off, he knows he's the first and only other man I've been attracted to besides my husband. He also sees the incredible spiritual growth, joy, etc. brought about in me just from finding out this other man exists. He knows my attraction to this man is something spiritual and not just some lust fantasy. BTW, the man isn't an actor or musician. I don't sit around staring at some movies watching him play a character and fawning. If I wanted to just crush on some actor I was never gonna meet, I'd pick Chris Evans or something.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 04, 2014 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure that's the issue here, your marriage and the great communication between you and your husband and your beautiful long-term relationship and moral issues etc. We've already discuss that, at least you and me, right?

The issue is if it's advisable to take an astrological analysis with someone you haven't met so seriously and to pay someone for it.

Of course, I just stated my subjective opinion on this. But we can continue to discuss your synastry with this man here on the forum as well, I'm up for it

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posted July 04, 2014 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo and Indigo,

I know you mean well and you have strong opinions.

However in this instance I want to say, that the poster has already stated she wasn`t asking for opinions, and personally I think we should respect this. All she wanted here was the names of professional astrologers who would be doing predictive relationship astrology. And it is really up to her to make the decision to pay money for this.

Of course this is just my opinion.


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posted July 04, 2014 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
But we can continue to discuss your synastry with this man here on the forum as well, I'm up for it

I am wondering though, and I mean that in a non judgemental, jsut musing kind of way, wouldn`t your bias or your subjective opinion colour the interpretation now?


Can we really say we are so detached from our subjective opinions that we can make an analysis just based on the astro-signature, and not letting our personal thoughts on this meddle in?

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posted July 04, 2014 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What exactly is my bias here? I mean bias is too strong a word here.

I agree with you, Ceri, it's hard to be objective, and our subjective opinions most likely color our interpretation.

I also agree she didn't ask advice on whether she should do it or not, just professional recommendations and in this respect, probably my opinion was an un-welcomed nosy interference.

I sometimes do this, I agree, but the reason is that I have strong opinions, I admit, and I'm not afraid to state them sometimes combined with the fact that I care about people. So the intention is good, but I'm aware it may seem judgmental - it's not - and that in fact it's none of my business.

I still have mixed feelings and attitudes about this, whether we should warn/advice someone or not, if we think it's not a good direction. For you, Ceri, is this an easy choice?

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posted July 04, 2014 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, it`s not an easy choice for me either, Leeloo.
I absolutely understand where you´re coming from. On the other hand I also understand where Wild Horses is at.

And my personal opinion is that we see things always from our own perspective; that might not be the right angle for everyone else though. Or not at any given time.

Personally I usually state my opinion once (maybe twice), but then I try to let it go. I know I can`t change anyone else`s mind, and it is not up to me, for all I know I could be wrong in this one incident.


Of course I have been sitting in the celebrity-boat.
Remember my unduly fascination with Jude Law? (which btw I still do not understand myself).

Would I have thought I was ever going to see him, and probably could have met him, if I really had wanted to, which I simply did not?

No seriously, not.

Anyway, looking at the progressed synastry it had me in stitches,


his pr Venus conj. my pr Sun
his pr Mercury conj my pr Mercury and pr Venus exact
his pr Sun conj. my natal Moon
(all in Aquarius btw )

his pr Moon conjunct my pr Jupiter and n Juno

his pr Saturn conjunct my pr Moon

his pr Mars conjunct my n Sun and Mercury

his n Sun conjunct my pr ASC

his n Venus and pr Juno opposite my pr Moon


only the under one degree aspects.


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last time, which was just a few months ago, I noticed the most intriguing pattern

my n Saturn 16 Cancer
his n SN 16 Cancer
his n Jupiter 16 Cap

my pr Moon 16 Cancer
his pr DESC 16 Cancer

Tr Jupiter 16 Cancer


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Now I don´t believe we meet or see every person with whom we have fitting synastry with. It is true it just shows how the energies mesh, if you are meeting, potentially (though if only one person noticed the other, this person might be aware of the potential still, and it might have meaning for them, for their individual growth).


However, I realized over the course of the recent years, that sometimes things happen that I personally would have filed under "fantasizing" before, and did.

Now of course I did not meet him like i would meet the busdriver every morning, but it still was something that definitely seemed very unlikely a few years ago.

And I have had too many of these unlikely things happen to just brush them off.

Maybe it was part of the plan for my life (and yes it led to growth), but who are we to say in advance what will be part of the plan and what not?

However no astrologer can really say for certain if and when a relationship is going to start. They can point out possible merging points, opportunities, even say when it would be most likely, but since astrology really describes the meshing of energies, it is just that. The cards will be dealt, but if the participants are even willing to play the cards, that might be a different matter.
At least I hav enot found a way to say that with certainty yet, that this is what WILL happen. We do still have a choice.

Well the astrological patterns will play out, there is no choice in that, but there is a range of interpretation, and we often have a choice in what expression we will manifest.

Feeling and acting are sometimes two different pairs of shoes. Well, now I wrote a lot about MY opinion. lol

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posted July 04, 2014 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Ceridwen.

It's okay. I don't have any hard feelings toward LeeLoo or Indigo. I know their advice was well meant with good intentions, I just didn't want a precedence being set that you can't study the astrology between two people unless they have already met or are in a current relationship. I don't apply astrology that way. Heck, I've even looked up the charts between me and deceased celebrities and have been stunned to see how accurately the astrology showed their impact on my life or the effect they had on me.

Like one time years ago, I was up late and came across Rebel Without a Cause with James Dean. I was bored and having trouble sleeping, so I started watching. I was so drawn to him in a surreal way. I didn't get a crush on him or anything, but I could feel his charisma tangibly. Ever since then, I don't find it surprising at all that he has remained such an icon so many decades after his death.

When I started studying astrology, I went through tons of charts to try to get a grasp on what each aspect actually "felt" like. I thought, "Hmmm. Why did James Dean make me feel that way?" I pulled up the synastry and was blown away. It was hot. lol His Eros was on my Psyche 0° applying exactly. I mean EXACTLY. Closet I've ever seen a man's Eros hit my Psyche. It helped me gain some understanding on that aspect at that time.

Now, James Dean died many years before I was even born, and I'm never going to meet him, but studying the ASTROLOGY of how I experienced seeing him helped me to learn a lot.

My personal opinion on it is that the energy and life force of people can effect us regardless of space and time, whether they are living or passed on, near or far. I don't believe it's just a 3 Dimensional thing.

With this particulalar man, though, that's not the case. I will be meeting him. The only way I can even avoid crossing paths with him is if I cancel all involvement in the charity work we have in common, and I can't really do that because that would effect other people. So, since it's an almost unavoidable situation, I am just curious what the Predictive Astrology may show. If nothing else, to satisfy my curiosity. I know Predictive Astrology is not written in stone... it's all just potential, but I'd still like to know what that potential is.

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posted July 04, 2014 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, it`s not an easy choice for me either, Leeloo.
I absolutely understand where you´re coming from. On the other hand I also understand where Wild Horses is at.

And my personal opinion is that we see things always from our own perspective; that might not be the right angle for everyone else though. Or not at any given time.

Personally I usually state my opinion once (maybe twice), but then I try to let it go. I know I can`t change anyone else`s mind, and it is not up to me, for all I know I could be wrong in this one incident.



I agree with this. Knowing when to give up one's need to persuade.


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posted July 04, 2014 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 04, 2014 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Not bad, don't you think?

Not bad indeed. You can go kidnap him now, you have my black blessing.


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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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posted July 04, 2014 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Guys, I have been married for 22 years! That's 2-2 Y-E-A-R-S. Over Two Decades. From the age of 19 to now... every day... married. There is absolutely NOTHING you can teach me about marriage unless you are someone who also has spent over half their lifetime married to the same man. I, however, could write you a marriage manual.
In all that time, I have never ONCE, not one single time had any interest in any other man. I remained faithful to my husband in heart, mind, and body.

However, the NUMBER ONE, PRIMARY thing that matters in marriage is HONESTY. My husband and I have that. We tell each other everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly. We have unreal communication. You know those marriages that end amicably and the people remain close friends for the rest of their lives. That would be us. I'm not saying our marriage will end, I'm just pointing out that it if did, we would remain close. We care about each other's well being.

That being said, my husband also knows that there is something different in respect to this other man. First off, he knows he's the first and only other man I've been attracted to besides my husband. He also sees the incredible spiritual growth, joy, etc. brought about in me just from finding out this other man exists. He knows my attraction to this man is something spiritual and not just some lust fantasy. BTW, the man isn't an actor or musician. I don't sit around staring at some movies watching him play a character and fawning. If I wanted to just crush on some actor I was never gonna meet, I'd pick Chris Evans or something.


First off, you seem to have guilt feelings. Why?

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posted July 04, 2014 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo and Indigo,

I know you mean well and you have strong opinions.

However in this instance I want to say, that the poster has already stated she wasn`t asking for opinions, and personally I think we should respect this. All she wanted here was the names of professional astrologers who would be doing predictive relationship astrology. And it is really up to her to make the decision to pay money for this.

Of course this is just my opinion.


I know, the problem is, Ceri, something is SCREAMING in the back of my head that she COULD be sacrificing her own evolution for this. And you KNOW how I feel about that.

That it's a mirage. An illusion. There's something she's missing.

Oddly, the same way I feel SO strongly that you and Mr Sag are capable of finally making a real connexion if you'll just let yourself do so. I feel THAT as strongly, as I feel there is something WRONG HERE.

And I DON'T mean morally. Things don't gnaw at my brain THIS much if it's about simple Earthly morals; sorry. This IS bigger stuff -- but it's the wrong move right now.

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posted July 04, 2014 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]Not bad, don't you think?

Not bad indeed. You can go kidnap him now, you have my black blessing.

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Thank you for your blessing, Queenie

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posted July 04, 2014 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For synastry, I think that Dawn Bodrogi at the innerwheel.com is one of the best.

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