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Orange
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posted July 05, 2014 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
King Edward VIII did something that monarchs do not have the luxury of doing - he fell in love. King Edward was in love with Mrs. Wallis Simpson, not only an American, but also a married woman already once divorced. Yet, in order to marry the woman he loved, King Edward was willing to give up the British throne - and he did. He did it because he wanted to " marry the woman I love."

What in their charts prompts such fascination with
this woman?

Wallis unpublished letters reveal that she wasnt crazy about the King and she still hankered after her ex-husband, Ernest Simpson.

Nevertheless, the two married 6 months after the King abdicated the throne.

Here is the synastry and the Composite and i will post charts of Progressed Composites for the time they met and then got married.

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Orange
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posted July 05, 2014 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They met in 1933 at a social event

Here is the Progressed Composite with transits for that time

The Progressed Composite w/ transits for the year they got married

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viiv28
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posted July 05, 2014 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viiv28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me this is more obsessive love rather than sacrificial. On a psychological level it vibes like neptune /uranus , because of the revolutionary/yet idealistic/addictive aspect of it.

The king has strong pisces/cancer influence, had been known to be addictive person in general. I cannot see the neptune in his chart, but see the neptune in his appearance.
He has a beautiful dreamy gentle and weak appearance.

they are both aquarius ascendents,
venus oppose uranus in the synastry. Cannot find the neptunian element, but im sure it is there.

And saturn moon in synastry.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 05, 2014 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, yes, that is one classic worth an analysis...and an unusual synastry. Thanks for posting, Orange Sunshine!

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 05, 2014 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by viiv28:
For me this is more obsessive love rather than sacrificial. On a psychological level it vibes like neptune /uranus , because of the revolutionary/yet idealistic/addictive aspect of it.

The king has strong pisces/cancer influence, had been known to be addictive person in general. I cannot see the neptune in his chart, but see the neptune in his appearance.
He has a beautiful dreamy gentle and weak appearance.

they are both aquarius ascendents,
venus oppose uranus in the synastry. Cannot find the neptunian element, but im sure it is there.

And saturn moon in synastry.


Well, he did sacrifice his throne for her (or maybe for an ideal?) but it's a very interesting point. When you say Moon Saturn in synastry, what does it mean to you?

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posted July 05, 2014 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me the synastry looks like mutual understanding and she made him happy. That it was her Sun trine his moon was familiar to him, i guess -> wasnt't his mother supposed to be a scold, a shrewisch woman?

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posted July 05, 2014 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Composite is so karmic...

Sun conjunct Mercury as rulers alone show they must have been very close and intimate with each other, I'm not sure on equal positions though.

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posted July 05, 2014 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The Composite is so karmic...

Sun conjunct Mercury as rulers alone show they must have been very close and intimate with each other, I'm not sure on equal positions though.


Oh yeah...Grand trine involving the node....WOW

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posted July 05, 2014 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viiv28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well to be honest, he did not seem a person of responsibility. So perhaps it is not such a big sacrifice for him, as being a kings is a very hard role. And he is the eternal boy.


Saturn moon --him (saturn) being very committed by destiny to her (the moon). Perhaps being her teacher. Although in truth she was the teacher in their relationship.
Karmic connection.

This saturn with moon has a nice trine to many "big" planets.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 05, 2014 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Viv, you may be right...personally, I think I always romanticize things hahahaha but you could be SO right, maybe the man couldn't wait for a reason/pretext to give up his throne, he does seem a bit like a boy, like you describe him

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Orange
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posted July 05, 2014 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just dont see anything special in the synastry and the composite...

Also i noticed the rulers of hos 8th and 5th house is completely unaspected.
The ruler of his 7th house only receives one aspect - a conjunction to her Sun - the ideal partner for him, perhaps..
Its just not too compelling.... Let me check the draconic, maybe something's there..

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posted July 05, 2014 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viiv28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well he may not have much wanted to be king, in the sense that he had a great time being prince. He had many many women many affairs and especially married women. Women and girls were throwing themselves at him. Also at that time it was unthinkable to abdicate, so even if he was not thrilled to become king,he knew he would.

Yet when he met Wallis he did fall madly n love with her, so she was a special woman. This was not a random thing. He loved her madly
all their life. And this is a man,who could have anyone.

She herself has a very special appeal and was extremely attractive to men. Perhaps the sun/venus conj? She also was quite poor and managed to marry richer and richer men ))

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posted July 05, 2014 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by viiv28:

She herself has a very special appeal and was extremely attractive to men. Perhaps the sun/venus conj? She also was quite poor and managed to marry richer and richer men ))

She was supposed to be a femme fatal when younger but by all accounts she become uglier and uglier and uglier with age....

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posted July 05, 2014 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not your usual romantic synastry, but they have some powerful contacts though - the Kite with luminaries and Juno and Juno/Valentine mdp, and the fixed cross with the man's Venus opp woman's ASC ruler, Uranus on her ASC/DSC axis is enough to show possible fascination for a lifetime (Venus/Uranus opp "caught" in the fixed cross), their DSC rulers conjunct. I bet they have a lot of aspects from planets to angles. I have to disconnect now, but I can't wait to see more.

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Orange
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posted July 05, 2014 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Nodal connections
or planets to angles conjunction either


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posted July 05, 2014 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps we should look at natal charts.

Orange, did you look at connections from Draco to Tropical? Perhaps there is something.

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Orange
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posted July 05, 2014 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tulipe,
Here is the draconic to draconic

There is a Psyche/ Eros conjunction and her Moon right on his MC and her Venus on his DSC, but still... Nothing spectacular

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posted July 06, 2014 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for viiv28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
She was supposed to be a femme fatal when younger but by all accounts she become uglier and uglier and uglier with age....

She was never what you call pretty.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 06, 2014 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, not one of my fav couples, I always wondered if she wasn't a gold digger, so possibly not a story of true love (You know if it's not twinflame, it's not my cup of tea, sis just kiddin' ), but apparently he was smitten. You can see this in Venus/Uranus alone - even isolated it can give this effect - and considering what Uranus rules here for both...but it also sits on a fixed cross with ASC/DSC. Never underestimate the power of the fixed cross! One can see this in cases when the planet is smitten and drools over the angle person. She has Uranus square ASC/DSC with Uranus ASC ruler - showing she was probably an unpredictable erratic exciting surprising changing charismatic weird one who keeps you on your toes personality (ASC) and partner (DSC). Apparently she was charismatic, with an unpleasant unusual voice, described a as a bit "trashy", and with a quirky personality.

So this cross alone is very telling, IMO.

Venus/Uranus also squares her nodal axis.

But they also have, in the synastry:

Sun/Karma conjunct Sun/Amor as DSC rulers

I think their angles in the same signs and the "marriage" angles conjunct played a big role for them. They also have numerous aspects between planets and angles, asteroids and angles as suspected (they are listed in astro.com pdf), also some important connections between planets and nodes. I consider when there's a mesh of aspects between angles and planets, there's something important and long-term between two people (because the angles are so time-sensitive, so personalized). In this case, IMO, the nature of the aspects is not that important, just that they are there and there's many of them.

The Kite with their Sun conjunction, his Moon and Juno pointing either to Juno/Valentine or his Vertex

Vertex conjunct Vertex
Moon/Saturn
a LOT of aspects/config involving their Liliths
Significant Juno, Ceres and Vesta aspects


They don't have romantic aspects per se, but they do have "marriage" aspects and a very fated composite.

In the synastry I also see:

4th/5th overlays for him (he has DSC in Leo)
his 5th ruler unaspected, but his Venus conjunct Lust in Taurus likes overlays in his 2nd house to be in love, and her Mars and Lilith are there and his Mars (2nd ruler) conjunct her Ceres squares her Sun - physical attraction here for sure, for him

her MC ruler in his 7th/sec 8th on his DSC aspecting his ASC ruler

For her:

His Mars/Moon in her interception, and another 2nd house connection

All his planets fall in her "love area"

His huge "marriage" asteroid stellium falls in her 7th on her Vertex (Vesta, Ceres, Pallas, Union, Alma, Chiron, Vertex)

And of course their moon/Saturn with Priapus and Lust in their 8th

Conclusion: marriage plus LILITH aspects and the power of Venus/Uranus part of the fixed cross

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posted July 06, 2014 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for viiv28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeeLoo than you soo much for this great analysis!
I do not think that with him she was a gold digger. Yes for sure she was interested in well off men,to begin with, because she had the poor relative complex, but her second husband was already very well off, he adored her, and she also loved him and continued to love him even when married to Edward.

What happened with them was pure magic/destiny.

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Orange
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posted July 06, 2014 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, viv

her second husband agreed to the divorce only if the King promised to take good care of her and love her, he insisted. Quite a gentleman.

the King and Wallis lived quietly with no drama until his death..

Lo, You are too funny sis

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posted July 06, 2014 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the composite I see:

The Kite, of course: Uranus conjunct Union and Eros (lovely! ASC ruler) - Jupiter (MC ruler) - on nodal axis sitting on 2nd/8th. Strangely, pointing to SN/Karma: a retreat perhaps?? going to a familiar, safe, comfortable zone?? Mercury, SN ruler is in Cancer (comfortable), the Moon is very friendly and comfy as well, well placed by house, Jupiter also in Cancer and part of the Kite. A family vibe indeed.Moon/Jupiter mutual reception.

Impressive water GT with Sun Saturn and Lilith (Lilith again) and first degrees ( a beginning, compelling relationship)

Mercury also rules 8th, and Neptune (2nd ruler) fuels the Kite - a very intimate connection.

The chart is practically ruled by the mutual reception.

Intercepted Venus and Mars on 2nd/8th - a very private intimate life and possibly very intense.

Venus conjunct Amor near IC, with Pluto too. Moon opp Valentine. Juno/POF on DSC. Mars ads some spice, well placed by house. Saturn connected to Sun Moon Valentine Psyche.

This is a lovely composite.

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