posted July 07, 2014 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by sag_stellium:
I have a very similar situation so I'd like to respond to your question. I can't zoom in on photobucket on my phone to see the pics. Can you post the pics on this thread itself or link to astro.com charts or better yet post astro.com charts on here? I'd like to see synastry and composite.

Composite: That grand square is something. And you have Mars trine pluto. In my case, we have a grand square and Mars conjunct pluto, but it's in synastry. That's about as much squinting as I can do right now.

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thank you, Sag. Isn't the relationship itself exhausting, but fun. Like I hate it, but I love it.

posted July 07, 2014 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by ReeseC:
thank you, Sag. Isn't the relationship itself exhausting, but fun. L

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Yes. It is exactly that. Although I can't call mine a relationship, just an ongoing situation to either overcome and turn into an unbreakable bond or... to kill the bond until all remnants can be safely sent off into space never to be seen again. See ya pieces of my heart! Bye bye. Lol. Emotionally exhausting, but passionate.

I'm kinda exhausted and budgeting my energy/brain power for some fun with friends later on tonight. So I probably can't go as deep as necessary for a proper interpretation. But here you go

Your guy has almost the exact same placements as my childhood love (except sun, moon). They were probably born close.

What's going with you: your Venus is idealizing him (neptune), your moon thinks he's amazing (neptune), your Mars wants to bang him badly (neptune), but he's being elusive and hard to get. And that makes it more fun and enticing. Ugh. You poor thing. Such torture! You just want to grab him and he keeps doing the dance of " look I'm here... nah. But maybe later."

Your Pluto is enticed by his venus. Idk how to put this, but when I had a guy's venus conjunct my Pluto, I found him so graceful. Even the way he ran was so hot and... elegant. Not girly elegant. Clean lines, curved around the corner like a motorcycle making a turn, it was just amazing to watch. A masculine version of elegance. I just wanted him badly whenever I saw him doing masculine venus things.

Your Pluto square his Mars. Idk. I usually avoid this and stick to my hot mars Pluto conjunct escapades, but you have his mars + Eros (which is hot) conjunct your NN (lessons to be learned in the creative and romance departments). He may trigger your creativity or romantic side. Expect power wars and hot sex if you guys go there. Lots of power struggles. This is not the fun part of Mars pluto. It's the sex. That's the fun part.

I noticed the following as well, but my brain isnt focused enough to figure out the exact result. So I'll type whatever I can think of.

-you guys have a grand kite in synastry leading to mercury. It's like this powerful lpve/lust/chemistry is trying to take you to your mercury in 9th. Idk what that means for you. Education? Learning? Talking about travel?

-you guys have all axis conjunct which makes you feel like you can relate to each others external and internal energy?

-his nessus conjunct your moon. Is dark. It's like he can't help but abuse your poor little moon. It's so much fun. It can't be helped.

- he has Mars in his 5th and yours. I can relate to this. Having someone's Mars fall in your 5th makes you want to have a romantic relationship with them. It doesn't even have to end in marriage but it has to be romantic and fun!

-a lot of his outer planets fall in your 4th or near your IC. You should probably try to figure out how that affects you, because it probably does.

-Your chiron conjunct Jupiter will probably heal his moon. If you guys actually get this going properly. But simultaneously, his moon is electrified the F out by your Uranus neptune opposite it, and trine your pluto. That's a lot to hit someone's moon. But at least his moon is at home in cancer. It can handle pluto and neptune probably. Idk if he's thrilled about your chiron and Uranus grinding up against his vulnerable little feelings on the astrological dance floor.

-his Saturn opposite your sun + conjunct your IC is probably triggering some fears in him. Your sun conjunct both your MCs means you probably need to be seen. You're always seen. MC and Saturn are in the same boat. So maybe it triggers his insecurity.

Astrology aside, these situations take a toll on people. Make sure you get lots of rest, listen to your heart and don't overextend yourself for someone else! Men come and go. But enjoy the fun

posted July 07, 2014 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by sag_stellium:
You just want to grab him and he keeps doing the dance of " look I'm here... nah. But maybe later."

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posted July 07, 2014 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by sag_stellium:
Yes. It is exactly that. Although I can't call mine a relationship, just an ongoing situation to either overcome and turn into an unbreakable bond or... to kill the bond until all remnants can be safely sent off into space never to be seen again. See ya pieces of my heart! Bye bye. Lol. Emotionally exhausting, but passionate.

I'm kinda exhausted and budgeting my energy/brain power for some fun with friends later on tonight. So I probably can't go as deep as necessary for a proper interpretation. But here you go

Your guy has almost the exact same placements as my childhood love (except sun, moon). They were probably born close.

What's going with you: your Venus is idealizing him (neptune), your moon thinks he's amazing (neptune), your Mars wants to bang him badly (neptune), but he's being elusive and hard to get. And that makes it more fun and enticing. Ugh. You poor thing. Such torture! You just want to grab him and he keeps doing the dance of " look I'm here... nah. But maybe later."

Your Pluto is enticed by his venus. Idk how to put this, but when I had a guy's venus conjunct my Pluto, I found him so graceful. Even the way he ran was so hot and... elegant. Not girly elegant. Clean lines, curved around the corner like a motorcycle making a turn, it was just amazing to watch. A masculine version of elegance. I just wanted him badly whenever I saw him doing masculine venus things.

Your Pluto square his Mars. Idk. I usually avoid this and stick to my hot mars Pluto conjunct escapades, but you have his mars + Eros (which is hot) conjunct your NN (lessons to be learned in the creative and romance departments). He may trigger your creativity or romantic side. Expect power wars and hot sex if you guys go there. Lots of power struggles. This is not the fun part of Mars pluto. It's the sex. That's the fun part.

I noticed the following as well, but my brain isnt focused enough to figure out the exact result. So I'll type whatever I can think of.

-you guys have a grand kite in synastry leading to mercury. It's like this powerful lpve/lust/chemistry is trying to take you to your mercury in 9th. Idk what that means for you. Education? Learning? Talking about travel?

-you guys have all axis conjunct which makes you feel like you can relate to each others external and internal energy?

-his nessus conjunct your moon. Is dark. It's like he can't help but abuse your poor little moon. It's so much fun. It can't be helped.

- he has Mars in his 5th and yours. I can relate to this. Having someone's Mars fall in your 5th makes you want to have a romantic relationship with them. It doesn't even have to end in marriage but it has to be romantic and fun!

-a lot of his outer planets fall in your 4th or near your IC. You should probably try to figure out how that affects you, because it probably does.

-Your chiron conjunct Jupiter will probably heal his moon. If you guys actually get this going properly. But simultaneously, his moon is electrified the F out by your Uranus neptune opposite it, and trine your pluto. That's a lot to hit someone's moon. But at least his moon is at home in cancer. It can handle pluto and neptune probably. Idk if he's thrilled about your chiron and Uranus grinding up against his vulnerable little feelings on the astrological dance floor.

-his Saturn opposite your sun + conjunct your IC is probably triggering some fears in him. Your sun conjunct both your MCs means you probably need to be seen. You're always seen. MC and Saturn are in the same boat. So maybe it triggers his insecurity.

Astrology aside, these situations take a toll on people. Make sure you get lots of rest, listen to your heart and don't overextend yourself for someone else! Men come and go. But enjoy the fun

Let me know if I got anything wrong or hit anything on the mark

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Wow, that was laser precision. Although now, I'm sad because you've basically confirmed that our relationship would be a death sentence, unproductive, and abuse would be involved. This is my 2nd relationship where the axis' are literally almost exact, and the second relationship where sex, abuse, and control come into play. I don't know if it's my juno in scopio or what that makes it this way, but it sucks.

posted July 08, 2014 12:07 AM            

KARMA-NEMESIS on your DSC looks like it may be something that's been left unsettled.

MARS-EROS on NNODE. That's pretty self-explanatory.

His DEJANIRA on your VERTEX-DEJANIRA. The two of you are trying to understand certain dynamics in terms of vulnerability, predation, and victimisation.

These aspects are largely dependent upon the emotional maturity of those involved. NEMESIS is a curious energy. You can either 'give in' to its competitive / antagonistic inclination -- or be bigger than it is.

NESSUS is trickier, and you need to be EXTREMELY careful with a natal NESSUS-PSYCHE. On your MOON? No good. This is often psychological abuse which hits on an emotional level.

posted July 08, 2014 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by ReeseC:
Wow, that was laser precision. Although now, I'm sad because you've basically confirmed that our relationship would be a death sentence, unproductive, and abuse would be involved. This is my 2nd relationship where the axis' are literally almost exact, and the second relationship where sex, abuse, and control come into play. I don't know if it's my juno in scopio or what that makes it this way, but it sucks.

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If relationships involving sex, abuse, and control are regularly patterning in your life -- then you need to take a sharp look AT your life. There's something you're trying to sort through -- something that's echoing from your childhood; unresolved psychodramas playing out again, and now in the way that adults tend to get the most hooked: sex.

Simply put, ask yourself the hard question:

posted July 08, 2014 03:36 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Damn. cNESSUS rising on your cASC. That'll do it. Plus, NEMESIS conjunct SUN; your MOON on his NESSUS-PSYCHE -- he's a psychological abuser.

KARMA-NEMESIS on your DSC looks like it may be something that's been left unsettled.

MARS-EROS on NNODE. That's pretty self-explanatory.

His DEJANIRA on your VERTEX-DEJANIRA. The two of you are trying to understand certain dynamics in terms of vulnerability, predation, and victimisation.

These aspects are largely dependent upon the emotional maturity of those involved. NEMESIS is a curious energy. You can either 'give in' to its competitive / antagonistic inclination -- or be bigger than it is.

NESSUS is trickier, and you need to be EXTREMELY careful with a natal NESSUS-PSYCHE. On your MOON? No good. This is often psychological abuse which hits on an emotional level.

You may be playing with too much fire here. Attracted to some danger you sense in the relationship. You need to ask yourself: what's the pay-off?

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posted July 08, 2014 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:

Is cNessus on cAscendant amost always bad?

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Unless the NESSUS energy is being harnessed by two very evolved individuals, it tends to point to the one who's 'owning' it (making the strongest natal ties) as being a potential abuser.

posted July 08, 2014 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Unless the NESSUS energy is being harnessed by two very evolved individuals, it tends to point to the one who's 'owning' it (making the strongest natal ties) as being a potential abuser.

It's very indicative of the sort of relationship they're having. Sadly.

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Aha. So if cNessus is conjunct cAscendant and cAscendant is in same sign as Natal Moon of Person A, this would indicate that Person A is an abuser?

so we have: cNessus conj cAscendant conj nMoon of Person A. nNessus of Person B is conj Person A's Descendant.

posted July 08, 2014 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
If relationships involving sex, abuse, and control are regularly patterning in your life -- then you need to take a sharp look AT your life. There's something you're trying to sort through -- something that's echoing from your childhood; unresolved psychodramas playing out again, and now in the way that adults tend to get the most hooked: sex.

Simply put, ask yourself the hard question:

'Why don't I believe I deserve better than this?'

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Thank you for your analyze, and sage advice. I am young, but I'm trying to use that type of wisdom to avoid getting in relationships that mirror the abuse I initially went through with my first husband. After enduring that craziness, I came to the conclusion that although I'm passive, I deserve better than what people give me, and that I needed to take control more of how I view myself and what energy I give off; if I act powerless, I attract a abusers.