posted July 07, 2014 05:16 PM            

This guy kept an eye on me for over a year before i actually got to know him, and since the first time i met him I knew that something would occur between us.
We have a heavy synastry:

Venus opp Venus
Venus opp Mars
Venus sq Pluto both ways
Mars sq Pluto

posted July 07, 2014 11:55 PM            

I think they'll all 'happen', in their time, but, as you put it, the ones with hard aspects are likely to be 'noisier', so to speak. They'll be a bit more noticeable -- for better or worse.

For example, I have some shockingly hard aspects in one particular synastry:

MARS conjunct PLUTO
MARS conjunct BML
MARS conjunct SUN
PLUTO conjunct VENUS
URANUS conjunct VENUS
LILITH conjunct SUN
LILITH conjunct PLUTO
LILITH conjunct BML

MOON opposite SUN
MOON opposite PLUTO
MOON opposite BML
SATURN opposite SUN

posted July 08, 2014 02:18 AM            

Vertex.... I've heard it described as a secondary asc.
not totally clear but I've accepted that I guess.

But what is the significance in difference between the vertex and anti-vertex?

Or the significance in difference between the vertex and asc for that matter?

posted July 08, 2014 03:19 AM            

All jesting aside, I'm glad you asked, DF. I wrote some of the first stuff on the Vertices Axis back in The Day.

I've always seen the VERTEX as a 'secondary DESCENDANT', rather than ASCendant. This may be why some of the strongest soul connexions are VERTEX-ASC conjunctions: the VERTEX individual is seeking the traits of the ASCENDANT native.

Conversely, the ANTIVERTEX acts as a 'secondary ASCENDANT.' If one's conjunct, the other shall follow; the ASCENDANT individual recognises traits of their own DSC in the AVX native.

But here's where it gets interesting.

VERTEX, as we know, is fated. I've taken to calling it 'The Soul's Descendant'. Conjunctions and strong aspects to it will indicate an important soul connexion is present here.

Now, I'm not leaving the ANTIVERTEX out in the cold; as the polar link to the VERTEX, it, too represents fated machinations -- but more in the area of soul contracts and karmic reward. Conjunctions to our AVX are 'karmic paydays'; that good which we sent forth into the Universe is returning to us in a new form.

Putting it together, we've got a soulmate connexion with our VERTEX contacted (described by the point making the aspect) and evolutionary 'karmic points' -- that which is giving us an opportunity to grow -- with our ANTIVERTEX activated.

This is why axis overlays are so binding; one cannot help but interlock with the other creating a potent, and both very fated and karmic connexion. The promise of exceptionally great reward upon resolution of outstanding karma.

In a very compact nutshell.

posted July 08, 2014 03:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
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I agree with Indigo, the aspects show how the relationship will play out, smooth or difficult....they don't say as much about if it's fated.

I have often wondered why the MC isn't talked about much more as being karmic in nature since it's ruled by Saturn, and Saturn is all about karma.

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Great point, Gabby! After all, the IC is clearly lunar in nature. Perhaps we just take the MC to be where we seek to 'exert our authority' in the world; how we wish to establish ourselves across the vast sea of humanity.

posted July 08, 2014 03:27 AM            

I just like to learn but of course it applies to me as well. My AVX at 14.53 Libra.... Her Mercury at 12 and asc at 17. Roughly.. Her asc May not be exact on that.

posted July 08, 2014 03:49 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Thank you so much!

I just like to learn but of course it applies to me as well. My AVX at 14.53 Libra.... Her Mercury at 12 and asc at 17. Roughly.. Her asc May not be exact on that.

But I did read about vertex and nn being incredibly karmic I think... Fated.
just interesting. Vertex and nodes are just things that I didn't quite grasp but than you so much for the detailed response.

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I'm so glad.

It's one of those requiring deep study; I just REALLY sunk my teeth into the NNODE this past year. Wow! So many truly wonderful resources for it, too.

I love NNODE conjunct VERTEX -- they're taking a journey that is essential for one's evolution and the other's karmic balancing. Anytime it pops up, I look for squares to the NODAL axis ('skipped steps') and any conjunctions to the VX's SNODE -- as it should illuminate any debts they have to the NNODE.

AVX-ASC is also wonderful for growth, as this puts the VX on the DSC. Think of it this way: the ASC is recognising a deep connexion in the AVX; it's like their Soul's Ascendant being the same as the other's Ascendant. Unsurprising, the ASC can then learn more about their own Ascendant traits and features, because the AVX has a lot of experience in this area, and can thus aid the ASC in their evolution of those elements and abilities.

A bit like our MOON is said to be linked to a SUN placement we either had most recently or predominates; if it's strongly aspected, then we've chosen to have this sign's energy again in order to balance outstanding karma. Our MOON is a 'karmic Sun' in that way.

Our SUN, however, is what we're growing into, and will be our 'future ASC' if we return.