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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 09, 2014 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"After Picasso, only God."


I wanted to post this in the Twinflame vs. Unrequited thread, but it certainly deserves a thread of its own.

Wiki:

"She was born Henriette Theodora Marković in Croatia. Her father, Josip Marković, was a Croatian architect, famous for his work in South America; her mother, Julie Voisin, was from a Catholic family from Touraine, France.[1] Dora grew up in Argentina.

Before meeting Picasso, Maar was already known as a photographer. She also painted. She met Picasso in January 1936 on the terrace of the café Les Deux Magots in Saint-Germain-des-Prés, Paris, when she was 28 years old and he 54. The famous poet Paul Éluard, who was with Picasso, had to introduce them. Picasso was attracted by her beauty and self-mutilation (she cut her fingers and table playing "the knife game"; he got her bloody gloves and exhibited them on a shelf in his apartment). She spoke Spanish fluently, so Picasso was even more fascinated. Their relationship lasted nearly nine years.

Maar became the rival of Picasso's blonde mistress, Marie-Thérèse Walter, who had a newborn daughter with Picasso, named Maya. Picasso often painted beautiful, sad Dora, who suffered because she was sterile, and called her his "private muse." For him she was the "woman in tears" in many aspects. During their love affair, she suffered from his moods, and hated that in 1943 he had found a new lover, Françoise Gilot. Picasso and Paul Éluard sent Dora to their friend, the psychiatrist Jacques Lacan, who treated her with psychoanalysis.

She made herself better known in the art world with her photographs of the successive stages of the completion of Guernica, which Picasso painted in his workshop on the rue des Grands Augustins, and other photographic portraits of Picasso. Together, she and Picasso studied printing with Man Ray.

Maar kept his paintings for herself until her death in 1997. They were souvenirs of her extraordinary love affair, which made her famous forever. In Paris, still occupied by the Germans, Picasso left to her a drawing from 1915 as a goodbye gift in April 1944; it represents Max Jacob, his close friend who had just died in the transit camp of Drancy after his arrest by the Nazis. He also left to her some still lifes and a house at Ménerbes in Provence.


After Picasso

After her long relationship with Picasso ended, Maar struggled to regain her emotional footing. This was complicated by the sudden death of her best friend, Nusch Éluard, wife of the poet Paul, in 1946. Likewise, her mother had also died unexpectedly in 1941, leaving Maar without family or long-time close friends.

But eventually she returned to her previous social circle, which included famous society hostesses and art patrons such as Marie-Laure de Noailles and Lise Deharme. She also found solace in Roman Catholicism. The author Mary Ann Caws quotes Maar as saying, "After Picasso, God." She spent her last years living between Paris and Provence in the house Picasso had given her.

Although she had other male friends in her life, such as the gay writer James Lord, a close friend who lived with her in the house in Provence in the 1950s, no one replaced Picasso for her."

Of course, Picasso, being so power-and-change oriented, hardly sought eternal love.

What do you see?

Dora

One of the world's most extraordinary paintings: The Weeping Woman, a portrait of Dora Maar.

Picasso explained:

"For me she's the weeping woman. For years I've painted her in tortured forms, not through sadism, and not with pleasure, either; just obeying a vision that forced itself on me. It was the deep reality, not the superficial one."[4]

"Dora, for me, was always a weeping woman....And it's important, because women are suffering machines."

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posted July 09, 2014 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

and an impressive composite

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mir
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posted July 09, 2014 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very striking; their progressed Suns in an eternal conjunction!; (I have this with my best friend)

I looked at January 1936;

His pSun 27’28 SAG
Her pSun 27’11 SAG

Interestingly enough, their physical separation in the summer of 1945 (I read) was at the moment that her progressed Venus was exactly square his natal Sun! (her progr. asc in an appl. 0,5 conj. to his natal Sun).

At that moment there was also a separating square from her progressed Sun to his natal Venus by 2. Bravo! They did survive that..

(nothing left for them after ^^ .. an appl. parallel from his pVenus to both their pSuns by 14 minutes in the declinations didn't keep them together, OR; a separating solstice conjunction by 1* - EDIT; there was something left.. her pVenus in an appl. trine to his natal Venus within 2*!)


When they met..

- His progressed Venus 12’10 Sag
- Her natal Venus 15’59 SAG
- Her progressed Mars 14’35 Pisces

(WOW an appl. Square ^^ !! – but let’s say with a great alternative at-the-same-time)


(haven't looked at HELIO)

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posted July 10, 2014 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, wow, great...

I'm thinking however two people with synastry Sun square Venus Venus square Venus or Sun square Sun most likely have the permanent square. Does this mean these combinations can never be together? That's an idea for your research. I think I have a couple with this, I'll have to check it out.


Also, I meant to ask you: what do you think of Draco progressions? Since Draco is our life path etc.

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posted July 10, 2014 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm thinking however two people with synastry Sun square Venus Venus square Venus or Sun square Sun most likely have the permanent square. Does this mean these combinations can never be together? That's an idea for your research. I think I have a couple with this, I'll have to check

Great question.
Well, I remember Westran saying once (yearssss ago) on some discussion board somewhere (unfortunately I can't find it anymore but I thought Ceri was involved there - as "darkdreamer" or something? - but it wasn't LL!) that some people might need a Sun/Venus square .. and he used an example of a man who simply couldn't resonate with a DW Sun/Venus trine in his synastry and he finally got his "peace" with a woman with whom he shared a DW Sun/Venus square in the synastry! I never forgot that... well, I guess it's an exception to the rule .. but yea it DOES exist, interestingly enough.

The Draco.. well I can't see why that wouldn't be workable .. but I only looked at it once and yea.. pretty flabbergasted.

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posted July 10, 2014 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm curious about Linda and Paul, for instance. They have Sun square Sun, Venus opp Venus (and Moon). With Sun square Sun, chances are there will be some periods with Sun square Venus. Have you checked them? Also, did something happen in this respect when Linda died?

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posted September 28, 2014 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for newstar811     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Great question.
Well, I remember Westran saying once (yearssss ago) on some discussion board somewhere (unfortunately I can't find it anymore but I thought Ceri was involved there - as "darkdreamer" or something? - but it wasn't LL!) that some people might need a Sun/Venus square .. and he used an example of a man who simply couldn't resonate with a DW Sun/Venus trine in his synastry and he finally got his "peace" with a woman with whom he shared a DW Sun/Venus square in the synastry! I never forgot that... well, I guess it's an exception to the rule .. but yea it DOES exist, interestingly enough."

That will be Harold Pinter. Trines and failure with Vivien Merchant; squares and success with Antonia Fraser.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How was their relationship like?

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posted September 29, 2014 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's pretty much described in the OP, but I guess Picasso was not the eternal lover type

How do you think it was?

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posted September 29, 2014 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's pretty much described in the OP, but I guess Picasso was not the eternal lover type

How do you think it was?


skin-deep and awkward and I am afraid I am wrong

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posted September 29, 2014 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I wanted to post this in the Twinflame vs. Unrequited thread..."

Which thread do you mean?

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posted September 29, 2014 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
skin-deep and awkward and I am afraid I am wrong

what do you mean by skin deep? superficial?

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posted September 29, 2014 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delilah423:
"I wanted to post this in the Twinflame vs. Unrequited thread..."

Which thread do you mean?


Here it is Delilah:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000313.html


not a very successful one I'm afraid, at least not as I intended it

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posted September 29, 2014 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
what do you mean by skin deep? superficial?


Yeah. I mean it was all about art

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