posted July 10, 2014 01:43 PM            

My Mercury saggy@3.32/Sun saggy@4.28/his Moon saggy@5.05/Neptune saggy@0.21 in his 11th/my 2nd but only a degree from my 3rd starts saggy@4.54

So his 11th ruler comes together with my 11th ruler through his saggy Moon conjunct my Sun.

My leo Saturn, leo ruling my 11th falls in his 7th house.

Also his intercepted house shows a place he would have a hard time accessing without an outside source aspecting it and bringing an awareness of its energy.
I've read about the intercepted houses acting in a way similar to 12th house placements, they are hard to reach but when someone comes along with a conjunction to that planet...it brings the energy out and the person becomes more aware of things they couldn't easily feel before.

2) Exactly opposed my Sun is his Mars gemini@3.43 in his 5th house....his 5th is ruled by Gemini, which is the natural ruler of the 3rd house where our Sun/Moon conjunction falls in my chart. In his chart his 3rd house holds his taurus Sun, his 3rd house which his 3rd falls in my 7th and 8th...which 3rd is important because his 5th love house ruled by gemini, natural ruler of the 3rd house.
My 7th is ruled by aries, Mars...his Mars in his 5th

My Mars trines his Jupiter(saggy on his 11th)

His Mars falls in my 8th house, along with his taurus Saturn/Merc/Venus...his taurus Sun is in my 7th but on the cusp of 8th....in taurus, ruled by Venus my libra AC, libra Pluto, libra Venus all being ruled by Venus connecting my AC ruler to his taurus placements in his 4th house and my 7th/8th houses.

My 5th house is in aquarius, Uranus, his Uranus is on my AC/Karma

His 7th house is Cancer@13.
my MC cancer@8
his MC is scorp@9
His MC ruled by Pluto, his Pluto in his 8th conjunct my Moon in my 12th
My Pluto is on my AC, my AC is inconjunct his IC
His house system is odd!!

His Saturn forms an exact Yod with my libra Pluto and my saggy Neptune...saggy ruling his 11th, Pluto his MC, Saturn his AC
Saturn ruling my IC cap@8
my Saturn is in leo, leo is my 11th house leo ruling Sun
Saturn trines my Sun and his Moon(his DC in cancer)
my saggy stellium Sun/Merc/Nep in his 11th

I don't really know what exactly this means...I need to think about it!
Does anyone else see this as having meaning, theme or a connection??
I think I do but can't fully grasp what it is?
Anyway...I was really wondering if anyone else saw these kinds of house overlays?

One thing I do know is our Valentine conjunction falls in his 12th house, my 4th house cap@9.20/cap@9.50
This is exact trine his IC taurus@9, his Saturn taurus@11
My IC cap@8
Almost touches his AC cap@13-14
His NN pisces@9.17 MN/pisces@10.25 TN
And my 12th house Juno virgo@12.20 in his 8th

posted July 11, 2014 10:35 AM            

You know I explored the concept of the 11th house/11th harmonics as being a TF marker in the 11th Harmonics and Twinflames thread. But it's an ADDED marker. How shall I put it? In my view on TF, in order to talk about a TF couple, we need to have an amazing romantic couple synastry - for example like the synastry of Paul Newman/Joanne (80 aspects between planets, asteroids not included!), Paul and Linda McCartney, Iman and David Bowie and Prince Bertil/Princess Lillian are also exceptional ones. Or at least an amazing kinship/friendship synastry, if we view the TF as a twin soul not necessarily connected to us in a romantic sense, but definitely a soulmate. Somebody who completes you, heals you, somebody who is the lacking piece of your soul, and you theirs. Together you are one reunited soul. And the love between the two of you, transcending gender or not, is of the best kind.

I'm talking about synastries with a pronounced Yin/Yang completion and structure (twinflames).

ON the framework of such a synastry, one can talk about additional TF markers such as the 11th house or the 11th harmonic. But without the framework of an exceptional synastry in terms of "matching", I'm afraid looking for TF markers can be very misleading.

For example, having a great or unusual pattern in an 11th harmonics comparison cannot replace a poor tropical synastry, in my view. TF cannot have poor tropical synastries, romantically involved or not. Of course, I'm speaking in general here, not about your charts. As a warning against looking for details when the foundation is missing.

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posted July 11, 2014 01:18 PM            

I HAVE noticed that Twin synastries tend to have more septiles, noviles, and quintiles than usual. I DO recall seeing some interesting links in our H11s.

posted July 11, 2014 02:11 PM            

HE has:

NEP-SUN, MERC-URA

I have:

Jack and shizballs. As in nada. Zippo, zilcho. Sir Not Appearing In This Film.

His SUN is there. With NEP, in a 2º conjunction. Then his MERC-URA, 1º, on the GA. (15º SAG).

My nothing is there.

So, in this incarnation, for him the 11H is of EXTREME IMPORTANCE. A MAJOR focal point.

Me? Nope. Karmically-speaking, box checked.

So, does he put anything there? A few things, yes.

- DSC (which is exactly on my AVX -- if you're really counting that as SOMETHING. I'm not.)

... make that, one thing. His DSC. So, not bad. But when that's IT and ALL? Meh.

Okay. Do I put anything in his 11H? I can already tell you -- yes, yes, I do. It's like Mr Magoo's closet in there.

I threw in my VALENTINE, NEPTUNE, NEMESIS, ERATO, VERITAS, AIDA, AMNERIS, PERSEVERANTIA, LOVA, ATHENE, REQUIEM -- and UNIVERSITAS.

Really. I was just throwing stuff in there willy-nilly. Like -- 'oh, THAT's where that went!' :: toss ::

(Oh, and Ceri -- AIDA and AMNERIS. Yeah, you can double-facepalm and laugh. I certainly did.)

Did you know there's a crater on EROS named Radames? Heh!

Anyhow, yes. Magoo's closet. Toss, toss, toss -- hither and yon.

(There are several similar 'WTF are these doing here?' asteroids he throws into mine -- but the above was just an example of 'THERE'S NOTHING HERE.' Since, as far as I can tell, there's nothing thematic about them. No configuration.)

How about 11Rs, though?

My MOON, his JUPITER.

Well, JUP is his SUN dispositor. My MOON is hella connected (conjunct URA, MARS, ANGEL, and HORUS -- I've recently come to realise -- which makes a lot of sense to me).

Mine's in my 3H, his in 12H.

Now, his JUPITER is square my SUN by 1º, and sextile my MOON by 5º. But ... really?

My MOON is conjunct his SATURN-KARMA-SNODE -- but these are 10H, not 11H.

So, does my MOON (11R) make any contacts to his 11H planets?

Nope. Not really.

Well, we know his JUPITER contacts my 11R (MOON) by sextile.

Huh. Yep, it's lookin' like a whole lotta nada.

There are a few affinities -- but that's it.

His JUPITER's dwad is CAN (my 11C)
His SUN (11H) is in SCO (my MOON).

... And, that's it.

Outside of our ISIS-OSIRIS being 11H in the composite? I'm not seeing much.

posted July 11, 2014 03:12 PM            

I decided against it in the last moment, and rather went with "Falling Slowly"

Yeah, that does quite make it better, does it?

It`s him singing, too.

But seriously what is a woman to do, if he keeps on posting these drawings (with huge swords, burning masks and burning hearts - professionally related of course only) and this Selfie of him and his dog, sending this quizzical look into the camera, making me gulp and actually saying out loud: "What exactly do you want me to do`?"
I get it, there is a question left unanswered, but not sure WHAT the question really is.

Anyway, Aida, Amneris, no Radames, but Ramses, no not the same I know. I am desperate though.

For me

AIDA on 18 Sagittarius 1st house, widely opposite Karma on 16 Gemini

AMNERIS 16 Pisces in 3rd, exactly conjunct Juno, and yes squaring Karma, sextile aida. lol

RAMSES on 27 Libra in 10th, exactly conjunct ADONIS and UNION by 2 degrees

Draco RAMSES on 17 Aqua conjunct my Moon exactly 2nd house

Draco VALENTINE on 17 Pisces conjunct my AMNERIS and JUNO

Draco AIDA on 8 Aries right on my ALICE and opposing Pluto

Draco AMNERIS on 6 Cancer opposing my Venus-ISIS-OSIRIS

For him:

RAMSES on 18 Aries in 1st house

AMNERIS on 21 Libra conjunct Pluto on 21 Libra exact, conjunct SPIRIT on 19 Libra. 7th house

AIDA on 17 Scorpio in 8th house, conjunct VALENTINE on 19 Scorpio

Draco AMNERIS on 20 Taurus opposing VALENTINE on 19 Scorpio

DRACO RAMSES on 15 Scorpio conjunct AIDA on 17 Scorpio, which conjunct VALENTINE on 19 Scorpio,

Draco Pluto and Draco AMNERIS On 20 Taurus opposing his AIDA on 17 Scorpio

Draco ASC on 23 Libra conjunct Pluto and AMNERIS on 21 Libra

posted July 11, 2014 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

ON the framework of such a synastry, one can talk about additional TF markers such as the 11th house or the 11th harmonic. But without the framework of an exceptional synastry in terms of "matching", I'm afraid looking for TF markers can be very misleading.

For example, having a great or unusual pattern in an 11th harmonics comparison cannot replace a poor tropical synastry, in my view. TF cannot have poor tropical synastries, romantically involved or not. Of course, I'm speaking in general here, not about your charts. As a warning against looking for details when the foundation is missing.

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posted July 11, 2014 03:56 PM            

my 11th house starts on 1 Scorpio with Uranus right on 1 Scorpio as well.
No other planet in there, however my Siva/Lancelot/Moira/London/Walburga/Eurydike-stellium falls there, from 14-17 Scorpio all of them

Dulcinea on 3 Scorpio (important cause Don Quixote sits on my Avx and Sun/Moon-mp, Arthur, Gawain and what do I know in 2nd house).

ruler of 11th house is Pluto right on the MC, squaring Venus, conjunct Transylvania btw. lol
and ovidius.
and some other things.

For him.

11th house starting at 16 Capricorn,
Venus sitting in the middle of it, opposing his Juno in 5th, squaring his Pluto in 7th, trine SAturn in 7th

Well, Saturn is the ruler and is in Virgo conjunct DESC and Vertex, trine Venus, but also squaring Sun and Moon. Not easy to find a qualfied audience now, is it?

Siva in 11th as well conjunct Venus.

But let`s leave the asteroids aside.

So summary:
Me. 11th house Scorpio with uranus in there, ruler of 11th house conjunct MC, squaring 5th and 6th and 10th house ruler Venus.

him. 11th house Capricorn with Venus in there
ruler of 11th house conjunct DESC and
Vertex, trine Venus , squaring Sun (6th house ruler) and Moon (5th house ruler)

let us just focus on the already mentioned planets

my 11th house related planets all have only boring harmonious aspects to his chart.

my Uranus:
sextile his Moon (r5), MC and NN

my Pluto:
sextile his Mercury (r7, r4, r3)

my Venus:
trine his Mars (r1)
trine his Jupiter (r10)
trine his Chiron

my Mars, trad. ruler of 11th:
conjunct his Mercury (r7,4,3)
square his nodal axis

it is decidely more difficult from his side:

his Venus:
semisquare my Jupiter (r1)
semisquare my Neptune (r3)
semisquare my NN
antiscion of my Mars (r4) (and septile)

his Saturn:
square my Sun (r9(
square my Mercury (r7)

his Sun and Moon:
conjunct my Sun
conjunct my Mercury, r7

as for overlays

his 11th house overlays my 2nd house, so he puts his Venus into my 2nd house, which I like. It is his intercepted 7th house ruler, too, and also rules his own 2nd house.
So his 2nd house ruler in my 2nd house, could be worse (and at other points it IS worse in our synastry. lol)
That one though with his Venus on my Jupiter/Neptune, Jupiter/Node and Moon/Venus-mp (yes let us talk about noviles next in my 2nd house, I feel strangely appreciated by him. I know it shoudl be the other way round. lol

my 11th house overlays his 7th and 8th house (divided).
my mentioned asteroid stellium falls onto his 8th house cusp exactly, and also on his Ulysses, which I find interesting, as his Odysseus-Valentine is conjunct my Penelope on my 12th house cusp (his 8th house) exact, and my Penelope also conjuncts his 12th house ruler Uranus, but that is for another day I guess.

Anyway my 11th cusp Uranus though falls into his 7th house.

so his 7th house ruler and 11th house planet in my 2nd house (and the other is right on my ASC btw)

and his 7th house contains my 11th house planet Uranus.

posted July 11, 2014 04:31 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Gabby:
1) my 11th ruled by sun/leo my 11th is half in his 7th half in his 8th

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posted July 11, 2014 05:01 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Actually, yes, his 7C is in my 11H, Gabby. So, I guess that's something we both have in common there?

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posted July 11, 2014 05:15 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Would someone share the numbers for AIDA and AMNERIS....I can't pull up asteroid lists on my phone, it locks me phone up before I can get the numbers.

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Here ya go, Gabby:

Aida - 861
Amneris - 871

posted July 11, 2014 05:19 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Oh, I can't tell you how many times I would shout at the computer. Or my phone. Or the mirror. Or just -- the air! 'WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?' mentality.

Isn't it wild we both have AIDA and AMNERIS connexions? I wish Radames weren't just an Erotic (?) crater.

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Yes, pretty wild.

But Aida and Amneris, I know the story is fictional, but I just vibrated so strongly with it. And I remember sitting in the theatre in 2013, I suddenly, I felt like all the oxygene was missing from the room, and I actually smelled some heavy fragrance (but it was a hallucination, my neighbours did not feel a thing).

Well I understood then why I prefer to see him perform OPEN AIR. That is where it began, and if I hve the choice, I always choose open air, gotta be a reason for that. lol

posted July 11, 2014 05:20 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Actually, yes, his 7C is in my 11H, Gabby. So, I guess that's something we both have in common there?

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posted July 12, 2014 12:17 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Here ya go, Gabby:

Aida - 861
Amneris - 871

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posted July 12, 2014 02:08 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Gabby:
That's interesting!!
I kind of wondered if 7th/11th overlay could potentially indicate a TF connection.

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posted July 12, 2014 08:15 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Yeah, I'll definitely be looking at that more closely; check the other TF charts in my database against it.

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my Mum`s 11th cusp falling into my Dad`s 8th house.
my Dad`s 11th cusp falling into my Mum`s 1st house. (so theirs is more a 5th-7th activation).

However I keep an eye on the relation bewteen 11th-8th house, because they are both succedent houses, and just subjectively, cause my 11th house is partly in his 7th, partly in his 8th. lol

Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning
his 11th cusp in her 8th
her 11th cusp in his 2nd

tf-couple IQ gave me the data:
her 11th cusp in his 8th again????
his 11th cusp in his 1st (and 5th in his 7th obviously)

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward:
her 11th in his 10th
his 11th in her 11th (due to conj. ASC)

Olivier - Leigh (no clue, probably no twinflames, but I checked them nevertheless. lol)

his 11th cusp in her 11th
her 11th cusp in his 10th

Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman
her 11th cusp in his 12th
his 11th cusp in her 9th

Liz Taylor - Richard Burton
her 11th cusp in his 7th
his 11th cusp overlaying her 2nd (giving them a very intense 5th/8th overlay, even conjunct )

Marie Curie - Pierre Curie
her 11th in his 7th
his 11th in her 2nd

Tom Hanks - Rita Wilson
his 11th cusp in her 8th
her 11th cusp in his 2nd

Frank Sinatra - Ava Gardner
her 11th cusp in his 7th, conjunct 8th cusp
his 11th cusp in her 2nd

Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn
her 11th cusp in his 8th
his 11t cusp in her 2nd, conj.

Aristotle Onassis - Maria Callas
his 11th in her 2nd
her 11th in his 7th

they had an exact 8th/12th overlay as well, which might explain or start explaining things a little

Edgar Cayce and Gladys Davis (tf)
his 11th in her 8th, and her Pluto EXACT on his 11th house cusp (Pluto ruled her ASC And 12th)

her 11th in his 2nd

Edgar Cayce and Gertrude Cayce (sm
his 11th in her 3rd
her 11th in his 6th (conj. cusp)

Humphrey Bogart - Lauren Bacall
his 11th cusp in her 8th
her 11th cusp in her 1st (5th/7th overlay)

Sri Aurobindo - Mira RIchards
his 11th in her 1st
her 11th in his 7th

the conjunction cusps are interesting, if they are present, here in this case it is a 12th/9th and 3rd/12th overlay, fitting to their spiritual work, which never took on romantic or sexual connotations.

Of course not all of the mentioned couples are really twinflames, I just went through my database of couples. lol

posted July 12, 2014 08:56 AM            

her intercepted 11th house completely in his 2nd (his sec 7th), "hugged" by his Venus and Mars, BTW - this looks nice

his 11th completely engulfed in her 8th (her MC in Scorpio)

interesting

In my synastry:

my 11th completely in his 3rd (his MC in Gem) - our nodes are there
his 11th completely in my 7th

Do you think there's a meaning for one house being completely contained in one of the other's houses?

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