posted July 17, 2014 10:55 AM            

Also, I'm curious how you felt the unaspected Mars. (BTW, are you a man or a woman?)

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posted July 17, 2014 11:58 AM            

Also if the composite planet is triggered, it means that both person`s planets are in a relationship with each other, even though it might not be in terms of a ptolemaic aspect.

posted July 17, 2014 12:12 PM            

I second what Ceri says (if I understood it correctly). The natal planet - in this case - being conjunct a composite planet means: 1) the natal is invested in that part of the relationship - Mars wants Mercury/Venus of the couple - for example their love talk, sweet communication is something Mars wants and likes. 2) Mars triggers Mercury/Venus in the composite, for better or worse, being Mars.

But I'm not sure an unaspected Mars in synastry can be overcome by composite conjunctions to Mars. The problem with unaspected Mars in synastry is that it can be either under-stimulated, but most often overstimulated - like having a constant craving to express itself, because it doesn't receive aspects, it's not in a structure, it's erratic. This energy could impact and/or be impacted by the conjunction to the composite aspect, but it doesn't mean the composite aspect gives a structure to the unaspected Mars. It only shows where the unaspected Mars expresses itself. Of course, I could be wrong.

posted July 17, 2014 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, what is reasonable orb for you in this case?

Also, I'm curious how you felt the unaspected Mars. (BTW, are you a man or a woman?)

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is Mars makes a square to my Pluto that I don't personally count it ( 8 deg). My cut off for Pluto in synastry is generally max 5 for the conjunction to the Moon. Otherwise just 3 deg for the rest of the aspects that Pluto makes.

Having an unaspected Mars wasn't all that noticeable at first because we had other close aspects that needed to be figured out and he also had his pr Venus opp my natal Mars. When that aspect started to separate the outlet began to fade away and my Mars got sidelined. All of that was pretty subtle though especially since the attraction didn't suffer all that much ( his Mars conj My dsc). The only times I missed it was when someone else was triggering it via synastry (mainly the good aspects).
Nowadays I would def prefer my Mars to have some aspects since it's also my DSC ruler.

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
In the case of composite, a reasonable orb is no larger than 3º. You MIGHT feel some of the unaspected energy -- especially if it's 1º -- and mutual.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I second what Indigo said (Hello btw, where have you been? Everything going alright?).

Also if the composite planet is triggered, it means that both person`s planets are in a relationship with each other, even though it might not be in terms of a ptolemaic aspect.

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posted July 17, 2014 02:43 PM            

However, of course the whole has to be looked at.

posted July 17, 2014 05:05 PM            

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Also if the composite planet is triggered, it means that both person`s planets are in a relationship with each other, even though it might not be in terms of a ptolemaic aspect

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Indeed. So if the Composite Moon (that was a 0-degr orb - I wouldn't count an orb of more than 2) is conj/opp natal Mars, it technically means that the angle between the natal person's Mars and his Moon, is the exact same, as the angle between the natal person's Mars and the Moon of the other person.
This Always makes an interesting midpoint picture and as we see, it's in fact pure synastry. And a very strong resonance between charts.

A second step would be to see WHAT angle is it? Well, clearly not a ptolemaic angle otherwise this thread about an unaspected Mars wouldn't be started. Is it a minor aspect angle maybe?

posted July 18, 2014 10:16 AM            

her mars square my sun (3°52')

Both sides can feel an attraction with this aspect, but I mainly liked her body. For me, it wasn't a lusty "I need you now" type of thing. I don't know how she felt though. We never really communicated cause it was in a work type environment and she worked in the back of the house, while I worked in the front.

In composite we had

Mars square Uranus (0°25')
Mars sextile saturn (2°45')
Mars sextile jupiter (3°18)
Mars conjunct moon (2°18)

Since we didn't really come in contact it would be hard to know how those placements would have played out....except one. You see there was something about the way she moved. I don't know how to explain it. She had a way of moving her body that could turn me on lol. It made no sense, we were just working. Yet the way she would do her work would turn me on. I'm guessing this is the composite moon mars conjunction which points to the tendency for both of you to easily stimulate each other sexually and emotionally. I wasn't attracted to her, but the way she moved and smiled and did her eyes at times could turn me on. It made no sense to me at the time.

I don't think composite aspects create attraction the same way synastry does. I think composite aspects in general create more of a "feeling". So although I wasn't attracted, she could turn me on, but I still didn't want to rip her clothes off. Now if my mars was hit up the wazoo AND we had mars moon conjunction in composite...well, concentrating at work would have been nigh impossible lol.

Sun mars synastry - attraction and being active together
composite: being active together

venus mars synastry - passionate, sexual attraction
composite: you find it hard to be just friends as you arouse passionate feelings in each other.

etc, that's how I personally see. Could be way off though.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think a 3 degree orb is very reasonable, and will prevent you from grasping for straws that simply aren`t there.

However, of course the whole has to be looked at.

In the case of synastric DW`?s, these often work, because they are resulting in a composite aspect.

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This is how I see it too, but I go up to five with a 3 tier system.
0-1°
1-3°
3-5°

It's like having a fireplace on a cold day.
"0-1°" is standing right next to it. You feel the heat immensely and are liable to get burned. These are the aspects that will constatnly pop up in your connections. They will always be present and in your face. And if you're wondering, Yes. An exact 0° aspect would be like standing in the fire lol jk.

"1-3° is standing further away from the fire place. You can still feel the warmth of the fire, but you're not close enough to get burned. These will be present in the relationship, but might not be as consistent as the "0-1°" aspects

"3-5°". Even further away. You are more cold than you are warm. These aspects will rear their head every now and then. The "not so present but never quite gone" aspects. Like how some couples become argumentative every time they play sports or do something physical together (a wide sun square mars).

posted July 18, 2014 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by SoujiroSeta:
I've had this before. The only mars aspect we had was:

her mars square my sun (3°52')

Both sides can feel an attraction with this aspect, but I mainly liked her body. For me, it wasn't a lusty "I need you now" type of thing. I don't know how she felt though. We never really communicated cause it was in a work type environment and she worked in the back of the house, while I worked in the front.

In composite we had

Mars square Uranus (0°25')
Mars sextile saturn (2°45')
Mars sextile jupiter (3°18)
Mars conjunct moon (2°18)

Since we didn't really come in contact it would be hard to know how those placements would have played out....except one. You see there was something about the way she moved. I don't know how to explain it. She had a way of moving her body that could turn me on lol. It made no sense, we were just working. Yet the way she would do her work would turn me on. I'm guessing this is the composite moon mars conjunction which points to the tendency for both of you to easily stimulate each other sexually and emotionally. I wasn't attracted to her, but the way she moved and smiled and did her eyes at times could turn me on. It made no sense to me at the time.

I don't think composite aspects create attraction the same way synastry does. I think composite aspects in general create more of a "feeling". So although I wasn't attracted, she could turn me on, but I still didn't want to rip her clothes off. Now if my mars was hit up the wazoo AND we had mars moon conjunction in composite...well, concentrating at work would have been nigh impossible lol.

Sun mars synastry - attraction and being active together
composite: being active together

venus mars synastry - passionate, sexual attraction
composite: you find it hard to be just friends as you arouse passionate feelings in each other.

etc, that's how I personally see. Could be way off though.

This is how I see it too, but I go up to five with a 3 tier system.
0-1°
1-3°
3-5°

It's like having a fireplace on a cold day.
"0-1°" is standing right next to it. You feel the heat immensely and are liable to get burned. These are the aspects that will constatnly pop up in your connections. They will always be present and in your face. And if you're wondering, Yes. An exact 0° aspect would be like standing in the fire lol jk.

"1-3° is standing further away from the fire place. You can still feel the warmth of the fire, but you're not close enough to get burned. These will be present in the relationship, but might not be as consistent as the "0-1°" aspects

"3-5°". Even further away. You are more cold than you are warm. These aspects will rear their head every now and then. The "not so present but never quite gone" aspects. Like how some couples become argumentative every time they play sports or do something physical together (a wide sun square mars).

After 5° i personally don't consider the aspects cause from that point on you can find a needle in a haystack. Everyone is different, of course, but that's how I personally see it.

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Are you me? Cause that is EXACTLY how I see it with orbs.

posted July 18, 2014 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by SoujiroSeta:

This is how I see it too, but I go up to five with a 3 tier system.
0-1°
1-3°
3-5°

It's like having a fireplace on a cold day.
"0-1°" is standing right next to it. You feel the heat immensely and are liable to get burned. These are the aspects that will constatnly pop up in your connections. They will always be present and in your face. And if you're wondering, Yes. An exact 0° aspect would be like standing in the fire lol jk.

"1-3° is standing further away from the fire place. You can still feel the warmth of the fire, but you're not close enough to get burned. These will be present in the relationship, but might not be as consistent as the "0-1°" aspects

"3-5°". Even further away. You are more cold than you are warm. These aspects will rear their head every now and then. The "not so present but never quite gone" aspects. Like how some couples become argumentative every time they play sports or do something physical together (a wide sun square mars).

After 5° i personally don't consider the aspects cause from that point on you can find a needle in a haystack. Everyone is different, of course, but that's how I personally see it.[/B]

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Which means a, let's say Jupiter/Saturn (0) trine in a synastry is more strongly felt and more important than let's say a 7 deg. Sun/Moon conjunction.

Or let's say one has a T/square in his natal between Moon/Venus/Neptune, all within 3 deg. orb. Venus at the apex in Scorpio. A Taurus Mars comes along and makes a 6 deg. opposition to that Venus. According to this 3 deg. orb theory, this aspect is less felt than a let's say Mercury Saturn sextile or square between the same two people, with a 2 deg orb.

Which means when they meet, the "fire" they feel does not come from the Mars opp Venus within 6 deg completing the T/square, but from the Mercury/Saturn square. Is this your experience? It certainly isn't mine. I'm saying this because repetitive major synastric aspects between people don't match this window and generalizing orb ranges seems arbitrary to me.

So my question now is: what is the theory/practice behind this general 3 deg. orb restriction?

Being nit-picky as Ceri said I'd appreciate your input too, Ceri!

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posted July 18, 2014 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Which means a, let's say Jupiter/Saturn (0) trine in a synastry is more strongly felt and more important than let's say a 7 deg. Sun/Moon conjunction.

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Yes, I actually think that is true, and has been my observation so far.

As a matter of fact though I have a two-fold-categorization syastem. One for the tightness of orb, one factoring the aspects in.
For a time being I even gave points.

0-1° 5 points
1°-2° 4 points
2°-3° 3 points
3°-4° 2 points
4°-5° 1 point

conjunction 5 points
opposition 4 points
square 3 points
trine 2 points
sextile 1 points

There could be different pointlisting of course.

But in this way it helps me to see that my 5 degree Mars-Neptune-conjunction is a 60% aspects, while my 3 degree Venus-Pluto-square is a 60% aspect as well. lol

This is just a rough guideline though. Naturally I will have a closer look at the midpoint pictures, too.

For example a 7 degree Sun-Moon-conjunction with is an isolated occurrence, honestly, I feel is grasping for straws when saying THIS is the factor that explains why two people are so attached to each other. Nope. That is not the reason. I know we disagree on this one, but well, let`s be disagreeable then.

However let`s say Sun is at 5 degree and Moon at 12 degree, and some other planet is at about 8 degrees, that is a different picture, and yes this 8 degree planet could be anywhere where it makes a ptolemaic aspect to both, Sun and Moon.

Also I would check if there might be an exact aspect between Moon and Sun the other way round, especially a conjunction, opposition or even trine. Cause then the probability is high that we end up with a composite aspect of Sun and Moon (conjunction, oposition, square, trine or sextile) within about 3 degrees, which is still okay.

Also the Sun-Moon-factor could come into play through Sun/Moon-mp activation or one`s luminaries conjunct/ opposite composite Sun or Moon.

All of these occurrences would make a much stronger effect than an isolated lonesome lukewarm Sun-Moon-conjunction at 7 degrees.

And yes an exact Sun-Moon-sextile would be stronger than this, but more importantly of course the quality of this aspect would be a different one, instead of a fusion we would have a supporting factor. Less similiarity, more supporting despite being different in personality aspects, but compatible, and yes, more tightly connected to each other, and triggered by transits at the same time.

posted July 18, 2014 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Expert ladies, do you pay attention to natal-composite oppositions? If yes, what maximum orb do you use for them? And can you tell me in short how this aspect works in this case?

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Yes, definitely. Do not forget that composite planets are midpoints between two natal planets. And every axis has actually TWO midpoints, anything opposite the composite planet means it is on the FAR midpoint of these two planets instead of the near one.
I think though that while the conjunction might be triggered almost subconsciously, with the opposition we might have a little more awareness of what it is really that is going on (like the fullmoon illuminates the darkness).

Mir suggested 2 degrees; I am a friend of 3 degree orb. 4 might work, but is on the wide end of the range.

Also there is a cascading-effect I think, if one natal planet is within orb of conj/ opp a composite planet and this composite planet is in orb for an aspect with another composite planet, but this other c-planet is strictly out of orb for the aspect to the frist natal planet, in this instance I think it gets affected nevertheless.

example

composite Moon 15 Aries
compospite Pluto 13 Libra

natal Venus 18 Libra

the natal Venus is clearly opposing composite Moon, but is technically out of orb for conjunct compospite Pluto; since composite Moon is triggered, and c-Moon is certainly opposing c-Pluto, I think natal Venus will feel the Pluto-effect as well, maybe not as strongly as if it were more exact in orb, but still there.

posted July 18, 2014 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Are you me? Cause that is EXACTLY how I see it with orbs.

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lol we are Twin Flames hahahaha. I've been trying to keep my post count low so you won't discover me lol. I guess my cover's blown huh

I'm the runner and you're the chaser. I'm not yet ready for the magical connection we're supposed to have lol. It's been so hard for me not to quote you on this board. lol, i've been going "If i quote and reply she will find out, she will find out". So in typical runner fashion i'm going to disappear once again lol. You might feel the need to chase me, but I am not evolved enough yet for our connection lol.

"uh ummm" clears voice

Astrologically speaking

I've been reading these boards since august/september 2011. Hahahahaha coincidentally around the time you joined. Everytime I stumbled upon your post I would go "What the heck, she sounds just like me". It got to the point where I was saying it so much that I was about have the authorities track you down and have you arrested for identity/personality fraud. YOU WERE IMPERSONATING ME ON AN ONLINE FORUM lol.

I did a synastry between us, that sounds so stalkerish, and surprisingly we have a lot of conjunctions and similarities. Heck I even used astromatch.com love/frienship/business calculator thing, which has been very accurate for me so far in showing how similar 2 people are and we scored high in every category iirc. That was when I realized why you reminded me of myself in many ways.

posted July 18, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Which means a, let's say Jupiter/Saturn (0) trine in a synastry is more strongly felt and more important than let's say a 7 deg. Sun/Moon conjunction.

Or let's say one has a T/square in his natal between Moon/Venus/Neptune, all within 3 deg. orb. Venus at the apex in Scorpio. A Taurus Mars comes along and makes a 6 deg. opposition to that Venus. According to this 3 deg. orb theory, this aspect is less felt than a let's say Mercury Saturn sextile or square between the same two people, with a 2 deg orb.

Which means when they meet, the "fire" they feel does not come from the Mars opp Venus within 6 deg completing the T/square, but from the Mercury/Saturn square. Is this your experience? It certainly isn't mine. I'm saying this because repetitive major synastric aspects between people don't match this window and generalizing orb ranges seems arbitrary to me.

So my question now is: what is the theory/practice behind this general 3 deg. orb restriction?

Being nit-picky as Ceri said I'd appreciate your input too, Ceri!

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I'm about to exercise but I will bet back to your post as soon as possible. Sorry for the hold up.

posted July 18, 2014 12:12 PM            

Oh and just for your information, I am the one who runs. ALWAYS. If you really were me, you would know that

posted July 18, 2014 12:21 PM            

However, in practice (I mean mine of course, which is limited and perhaps subjective) one can often see WHY that Mars is 6 deg from Venus instead of 3 or 2. In a good synastry, there are connections far beyond orb counting.

Let's say the T/square person has Sun in Cancer - well, she can't, with Venus in Scorp - let's say she has DSC ruler in Cancer. If the partner's Taurus Mars had been in a tighter opp with her Venus, let's say 3 deg. it wouldn't have caught the sextile with the Sun/DSC ruler. But Mars in this good synastry is so well positioned, that it catches both aspects, and perhaps others as well. It's engineering and it's brilliant. Mars in a tighter aspect with Venus wouldn't have given a better synastry.

In fact, you often see how we are looking for this "best position" with our hit-and-miss relationships lol. And the best position of a planet is not the one with the tightest orb to ours, it's the one fitting our chart needs.

Still I didn't understand why 3 and not 4 or 7. What's the basis for this? Why not sticking to only 0 deg aspects then?

Just kidding.

My view on this: the synastry itself tells you what orbs you should use for it, on a case by case basis, as suggested by practice.

My personal view, just one among others.

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posted July 18, 2014 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Usually it suffices to check the important planets, the close aspects and the midpoint configurations (which might also pick up wider orbed aspects).

Why 3 degrees in composite?
Easy, cause this relates to about 6 degrees in synastry/ natal, and this is the orb that nature shows us in respect to a New Moon or Full Moon (approximately).

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hitting the nail, as usually!

And I agree with tighter orbs in the composite, usually a composite based on a good synastry indeed has almost all aspects around this range and all planets are connected one way or the other.

posted July 18, 2014 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Which means a, let's say Jupiter/Saturn (0) trine in a synastry is more strongly felt and more important than let's say a 7 deg. Sun/Moon conjunction.

Or let's say one has a T/square in his natal between Moon/Venus/Neptune, all within 3 deg. orb. Venus at the apex in Scorpio. A Taurus Mars comes along and makes a 6 deg. opposition to that Venus. According to this 3 deg. orb theory, this aspect is less felt than a let's say Mercury Saturn sextile or square between the same two people, with a 2 deg orb.

Which means when they meet, the "fire" they feel does not come from the Mars opp Venus within 6 deg completing the T/square, but from the Mercury/Saturn square. Is this your experience? It certainly isn't mine. I'm saying this because repetitive major synastric aspects between people don't match this window and generalizing orb ranges seems arbitrary to me.

So my question now is: what is the theory/practice behind this general 3 deg. orb restriction?

Being nit-picky as Ceri said I'd appreciate your input too, Ceri!

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Lol, Ceridwen practically phrased things the same way i would have, but she did it better.

I wouldn't say more important, but yes I believe the 0 degree trine would be felt more than the 7 degree conjunction. The energies would be different of course, a trine and a conjunction.

My reason for the 5 degree limit is cause I've personally noticed that depeding on the aspect, if the orb is too wide, 4-5, I tend not to feel it. After 5 i can link anything to anything. A sextile would have to be really tight for the effects to be felt strongly, whereas a square/opposition/conjunction of the same aspect can be a bit more loose and still feel as intensely as the tight sextile. Which is kinda what ceridwen was pointing out with her grading system.

I believe an exact sun sextile mars would generate a stronger attraction than a 4-5 sun conjunct/square/oppose mars. Not because the sextile is stronger, but because the hard aspect, imo, is so wide, and the sextile is so tight (exact). But, I believe a 2-3 sun mars hard aspect would be on par, if not felt more than the exact trine. The energies would still be different though. The harder aspects would generate more buzz. So even though the sextile is closer, that sun-mars hard aspect at 2-3 could be preferable to the exact sextile if youre looking for more passion.

Ofcourse this is assuming that that is the only attraction aspect they have in synastry, but you get what I'm trying to say.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL I am officially scared now.

Oh and just for your information, I am the one who runs. ALWAYS. If you really were me, you would know that

BTW what conjunctions DO we share? I am not only scared, but curious as well.

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Lol, I have a tendency to scare people off for some reason. Must be past life karma , that's my excuse.

Actually what I said is still correct. If I were you, I would run. Well I did say i'm the runner , and so are you. Lol this might be a case where both twins are runners hahaha. I guess it's a world first huh?

Oh you wanna know the conjunction huh. It's so much but lemme look at the synastry again. Here is a gist

Ceridwen's Sun conjunct Me's Uranus 1° 58'
Ceridwen's Mercury conjunct Me's Uranus 1° 5'
Ceridwen's Venus conjunct Me's Neptune 0° 18'
Ceridwen's Uranus conjunct Me's Moon 2° 7'
Ceridwen's Sun conjunct Me's Ascendant 1° 34'
Ceridwen's Mercury conjunct Me's Ascendant 0° 41'
Ceridwen's Saturn conjunct Me's Sun 3° 49'

posted July 19, 2014 11:34 AM            

Yes, exactly, that is how I meant it.

" The harder aspects would generate more buzz. So even though the sextile is closer, that sun-mars hard aspect at 2-3 could be preferable to the exact sextile if youre looking for more passion."

"Lol this might be a case where both twins are runners hahaha. I guess it's a world first huh?"
Yeah, well let`s leave the twin-business aside, alright?
It was a nice joke, but honestly I think it`s enough now.

"Ceridwen's Sun conjunct Me's Uranus 1° 58'
Ceridwen's Mercury conjunct Me's Uranus 1° 5'
Ceridwen's Venus conjunct Me's Neptune 0° 18'
Ceridwen's Uranus conjunct Me's Moon 2° 7'
Ceridwen's Sun conjunct Me's Ascendant 1° 34'
Ceridwen's Mercury conjunct Me's Ascendant 0° 41'
Ceridwen's Saturn conjunct Me's Sun 3° 49'"
Well, you must be really young then.

Interesting conjunctions though.

I find the Uranus one to the luminaries esp. interesting.

Frankly though I have seen synastries with even more conjunctions. lol
Tends to happen to people with stellia in a certain sign.