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7Grace
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posted July 19, 2014 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7Grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What planets/points of yours has Pluto touched through synastry. How did that planet/point (Asc/Desc/Mc/Ic) evolve/change? And for better or worse, was it worth the pain?

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posted July 19, 2014 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7Grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason I ask about Pluto thru synastry is it seems his energy is easier to see there, rather than the Pluto energy you're born with.

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posted July 19, 2014 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My venus in virgo has an almost exact conjunction with the pluto of a man I have been in love with for a very long time...
My venus is virtually unaspected in my own chart so this feels HUGE to me.
A proper relationship has never begun however we have a push/pull runner/chaser dynamic.
It's extremely painful. I am working toward letting whatever is meant to be, be.

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posted July 19, 2014 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7Grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've experienced my Venus conjunct their Pluto. But never with a romantic interest though (age). Pluto goes silent, but if Venus ignores him... He'll walk by and bump her chair, he won't apologize for it either, he just keeps moving. In a word, insidious.
But of course, much depends on other aspects. And of the coloring the Venus and Pluto in question are bestowed with in their individual natal charts.

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posted July 19, 2014 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes the ignoring/chair bumping sounds about right. There is an age diff of 12.5 years between us - he is older.
Pain & longing are the only words I can think of to describe this aspect.
It's like the most terrifying roller coaster ride...just when you think it's coming to a halt- it starts up again.

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posted July 19, 2014 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm Pluto.

It conjuncts her sun-moon-asc-mercury.
It squares her Mars
Squares Uranus
Trines Saturn

It's evolving in a good way.
I used to dig and dig to be honest. Pluto does not want ANY secrets and demands truth. Every rock turned over.
She has been extremely honest and has actually taught me better ways to love. (her Venus conjunct my nn and Uranus in Scorpio) She really has pointed me in a direction of what I think is ideal love.
It seems to have quieted down Pluto which I wasn't the most fond of. It's not easy to deal with as the native. But she's been awesome and I'm letting that go very much. The square to mars even from day one hasn't been difficult. Well no more so than the conjunctions anyway.
Just tons of passion and merging. Lots of... Idk. Wanting to actually crawl inside of the other but it's not possible.
I do my thing at work but when I get home it's not just home... She's home. She's my other half.

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posted July 19, 2014 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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IndigoDirae
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posted July 19, 2014 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate to the VENUS/PLUTO ties here. Even though the conjunction is VERY loose, due to my 12H VENUS placement, she's often locked away doing the Rapunzel thing -- isolated and just hidden back there.

So the fact that his PLUTO is rather (surprisingly) strong in his chart, the mere fact it's making even a weak (applying) conjunction to my VENUS is felt. REALLY felt.

But then his own VENUS/PLUTO=VENUS. I'm sure that helps. It's a very passionate aspect, to be sure.

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posted July 19, 2014 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
Yes the ignoring/chair bumping sounds about right. There is an age diff of 12.5 years between us - he is older.

Hah! Yes, he's 13 years my senior. How wild. I've seen that figuring in karmic relationships more often than not. I'm sorry that yours has been so painful. Trust me. I know how THAT feels. And, thankfully, not in this one. It's been a hard road, and I'm proud of both of us for how far we've come.

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posted July 19, 2014 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird... 16 years between us.
I'm older

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posted July 19, 2014 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Hah! Yes, he's 13 years my senior. How wild. I've seen that figuring in karmic relationships more often than not. I'm sorry that yours has been so painful. Trust me. I know how THAT feels. And, thankfully, not in this one. It's been a hard road, and I'm proud of both of us for how far we've come.

The pain is gut wrenching & feels like a knife cutting into your deepest wounds...
Do these venus/pluto relationships EVER evolve? Ever last? Ever get "real"?
My saturn conjuncts his NN. His sun widely conjuncts my Asc. His uranus conjuncts my vertex. My uranus/eros squares his NN. His NN sits on my DSC almost exact. His valentine on my sun. Karma conjunct karma in my 7th. Exact.
Damn. Now I'm getting all teary lol...
A rough road....

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posted July 19, 2014 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forgot the sun opp sun & eros conjunct valentine (exact)...
More salt in the wound!
I have read what Linda Goodman wrote about the venus/pluto conjunction. It's very powerful.

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posted July 19, 2014 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
The pain is gut wrenching & feels like a knife cutting into your deepest wounds...
Do these venus/pluto relationships EVER evolve? Ever last? Ever get "real"?
My saturn conjuncts his NN. His sun widely conjuncts my Asc. His uranus conjuncts my vertex. My uranus/eros squares his NN. His NN sits on my DSC almost exact. His valentine on my sun. Karma conjunct karma in my 7th. Exact.
Damn. Now I'm getting all teary lol...
A rough road....

The REALLY difficult one has been with my Twin. (Eight years. Extremely complicated, rough road.)

It DID take about four years for the relationship with my Guardian soul to truly take shape, however -- and a LOT of work, emotional maturity, and honesty. Nothing ever worth it was easy, as they say. Ohhh, this is a testament to that.

Why don't you post your synastry and composite?

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posted July 19, 2014 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
The REALLY difficult one has been with my Twin. (Eight years. Extremely complicated, rough road.)

It DID take about four years for the relationship with my Guardian soul to truly take shape, however -- and a LOT of work, emotional maturity, and honesty. Nothing ever worth it was easy, as they say. Ohhh, this is a testament to that.

Why don't you post your synastry and composite?


Thank you Indigo. It helps to know I'm not alone & that others have experienced (and survived) thru these connections.
I do not believe we are TF's...not enough markers.
I can post the synastry (and completely horrible composite) lol- but his TOB is unknown. Both parents deceased & when I asked him he looked at me like I was nuts!
So house overlays would only be applicable on my part. Hate to ask anyone to look at charts that only tell a partial story. Everyone here is SO kind and giving. I am terrible at astrology (tho I am slowly learning!) thru the experts on this board

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posted July 19, 2014 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
Thank you Indigo. It helps to know I'm not alone & that others have experienced (and survived) thru these connections.
I do not believe we are TF's...not enough markers.
I can post the synastry (and completely horrible composite) lol- but his TOB is unknown. Both parents deceased & when I asked him he looked at me like I was nuts!
So house overlays would only be applicable on my part. Hate to ask anyone to look at charts that only tell a partial story. Everyone here is SO kind and giving. I am terrible at astrology (tho I am slowly learning!) thru the experts on this board

Oh, dear. Yes, I know how troubling it can be when someone on our heart hasn't reached the level of evolution we have. Typically, they're very scared; that can take some time to sort out.

I'll keep it in mind that you're using -- I'm guessing a noon time? That's often a good estimate -- though I always start with midnight, just to ensure I know where it was at the start of the day!

I've had many such connexions, to be honest. They're always extremely powerful, and leave me stronger and wiser than I was. The latest has been my Guardian soul, with whom I have a good bit of karma to resolve. Tricky stuff, too. As someone has said before, the key to working with PLUTO is total and complete honesty. Not easy! But PLUTO doesn't much care about our excuses ... it delves deeply and transforms everything.

At least my PLUTO is sextile his VENUS by 2º, so, hey, it's a two-way street!

Yes, you'll survive. You will. Oh, I've cried many, many tears in Soulmate relationships -- and my Twin has just put me through the absolute wringer! But it becomes clear at some point, and we're thankful for what we've learnt.

SATURN most definitely will delay things, too. But they end up being very strong bonds -- as they take a long time to build.

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posted July 19, 2014 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you SO much!
I started a new thread with your name on it as not to clog up this one...
Your words hit me deeply. Everything you said is true

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posted July 20, 2014 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto of my generation conjuncts my Mars. It's an aspect I'm very fond of, couldn't do without it; it's in tune with my chart.

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posted July 20, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7Grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DeepFreeze

Thank you for sharing Pluto's view. I'm glad to hear, you're with someone who can explore the depths with you. While standing with you. That is one thing I like about Pluto, he is not afraid to merge, and still he wants an equal partner.

When successful, there seems to be a bonding and equality, which very few relationships ever come close to.

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posted July 20, 2014 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7Grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was in a relationship with Pluto sextile my Venus/Sun, he helped me (me unknowingly) to begin to disentangle myself from my parents Pluto's conjunct the same planets of my chart. It was all so silent. When you're born into Pluto aspects it takes a lot to realize what is you and what is not you. A slow process. The clincher was when a Pluto square walked in, then I really saw the light/dark.

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posted July 21, 2014 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am still a little new to astrology and would love a little bit more insight into this complex planet.

In our current synastry chart my partner and I have:

My Sun trine his Pluto

My Mercury square his Pluto

My Mars square his Pluto

My Pluto conjunct his Jupiter

Does this translate into a lot of heavy "weight" or transformation on our relationship? Which side feels it more? How would it affect these personal planets in particular?

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posted July 21, 2014 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going through a Venus/Pluto DW atm.

my Venus is sextile his Mars/Saturn/Pluto. His Pluto sextiles my Ascendant.

and his Venus is opposite my Pluto in the 1st house.


I do think its very exciting in a very intense way.. but this person is sometimes freaking me out with how much he knows..

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