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Topic: is attraction to ascendant deceptive?
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starrynight
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posted July 30, 2014 11:27 AM
  
Something from a conversation with my friend who is into astrology. He loves Piscean traits in a girl. (This isn't about Pisces, just an example). And he says he's often attracted to girls with Pisces Rising but if they don't have any other important Pisces placements or a dominant Neptune, he eventually starts feeling like they aren't Piscean enough, so to say. Like it's "only the surface" (his words). What do you think? I know that aspects like Moon conj Asc or Venus conj Asc or even Jupiter conj Asc are supposed to bring powerful attraction, but what if the person's chart doesn't have anything much to support their Rising Sign? On the other hand, I read some theories which said Ascendant is an integral part of one's personality, not just something external. Almost like a little secondary Sun. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted July 30, 2014 12:50 PM
Conjunctions to angles are very powerful. But if the synastry is not connective (focal synastry), they will attract you into a "trap".For example, I've posted a thread about Pablo Picasso/Dora Maar. Their strongest aspect is his Venus conjunct her ASC exact. And the historical testimonies show that Picasso found Dora very beautiful and this is the reason he pursued her. They have some interesting let's say "intellectual" contacts in their synastry, but the romantic/erotic synastry is weak - overall, not a connective synastry. Most likely the ASC contact faded away, because often when we kn ow someone closer, our perception about their physical beauty is altered by their psychology and without other romantic contacts, Venus/ASC remains a superficial "liking". They have been together for nine years, mostly because of her hanging on to him whilst he's had other "likings" as well. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
starrynight
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posted July 30, 2014 01:04 PM
Oh, I see. The connection needs to be supported by the personal aspects in synastry more than additional placements.I have my Ascendant conj Jupiter in one of my synastries with guys. No Venus but it seems to work. He says he thought I was incredibly beautiful at first sight, and I have no placements in the sign of my Asc, it's lonely in my 1st house. Though his Venus also trines my Sun exactly and his Moon trines my Asc, maybe it's that. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
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posted July 30, 2014 09:13 PM
Very interesting point!I often feel that my partner puts forth a very clear Sagittarian air, despite his 8H Cancer SUN. His 5H Aries MOON is next to be seen -- oddly enough; that playful, confident, youthful personality. But that SUN ... it's appropriately hidden in his 8H. Curiously, his MOON is 8R; the two will seem to segue into each other, but his SUN is the last to appear: emotional, moody, family-oriented, and traditional to the point of being hidebound. While he'd argue his Sag Rising is a legitimate facet of his personality, it's missing quite a lot of the picture. If, for example, a potential partner took him at his sunny, outgoing, confident and witty Ascendant (his JUPITER is in Leo) they wouldn't know how to handle the truth of his being moody, extremely introverted, intensely private, and the epitome of 'still waters run deep'. Likewise with my Virgo. It's clearly a major part of me -- but leaves out quite a lot. IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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posted July 30, 2014 11:33 PM
The Asc is not fake. It's a real part of our psychological makeup. It shows our general outlook on the world, like the window that we see through, and how we view our journey through life. The Asc shows the surface of our personality… Our demeanor, appearance, and mannerisms. The Asc is our medium for expressing what’s inside us in the outside world. It is a real thing but is does not extend to deeper levels of our nature (unless we have other planets in this). If we think of our personality as a house, the Asc is like the exterior of our house. We could have a modern designer house, or a simple little cottage. The Asc shows our external style. However, behind the exterior of the house is the bulk of what makes it up. Rooms all decorated in a certain kind of style with different décor. Each of these rooms (parts of our personality) having a different function. If were only attracted to the exterior of a house, and don’t really care for the interior of the house, we might enjoy driving by and looking at it but we wouldn’t want to live there. Attractions based only on the Asc are like this. We sure do like the outside but once we go inside (so to speak) we might not be drawn to what we find. The Asc is just one part of our chart, and if the synastry elsewhere is lacking, the connection will start to feel shallow after a while. It’s best of we are able to connect to our partner’s chart on multiple different levels. In my case my Sagittarius Asc feel like more then just the surface of my personality because I’ve also got Mercury, Venus, and Neptune there. starrynight, Why does this guy love Piscean traits so much? Does he have Pisces or Neptune connected to the 5th, 7th , or 8th houses, or does he have Moon or Venus in Pisces. Sounds like he’d be happier with a Pisces Sun or Moon, or more then one personal planet in Pisces, if he appreciates more then just external Pisces traits.
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starmoon
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posted July 31, 2014 12:02 AM
good question. i think ASC-ASC connections can be deceptive, unless there are other supporting factors in synastry. with ASC-ASC you do have a more surface connection where it could end up friendly more than anything else. the two people will generally get on very well together, but there isn't too much depth to it. two people immediately connect, but not enough for strength of partnership. i think ASC to a close planet (venus/mars/moon) is ok, but keep in mind that since ASC is the outward self it does occur at a more surface level, especially the venus-ASC because it's all about physical beauty and how someone dresses, looks, etc. lots of marriage come from a Moon-ASC connection though so it can bind people, but likely if there is more going on. IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted July 31, 2014 12:05 AM
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fishbull11
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posted July 31, 2014 01:09 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Lotis White:
The Asc is not fake. It's a real part of our psychological makeup. It shows our general outlook on the world, like the window that we see through, and how we view our journey through life. The Asc shows the surface of our personality… Our demeanor, appearance, and mannerisms. The Asc is our medium for expressing what’s inside us in the outside world. It is a real thing but is does not extend to deeper levels of our nature (unless we have other planets in this). If we think of our personality as a house, the Asc is like the exterior of our house. We could have a modern designer house, or a simple little cottage. The Asc shows our external style. However, behind the exterior of the house is the bulk of what makes it up. Rooms all decorated in a certain kind of style with different décor. Each of these rooms (parts of our personality) having a different function. If were only attracted to the exterior of a house, and don’t really care for the interior of the house, we might enjoy driving by and looking at it but we wouldn’t want to live there. Attractions based only on the Asc are like this. We sure do like the outside but once we go inside (so to speak) we might not be drawn to what we find. The Asc is just one part of our chart, and if the synastry elsewhere is lacking, the connection will start to feel shallow after a while. It’s best of we are able to connect to our partner’s chart on multiple different levels. In my case my Sagittarius Asc feel like more then just the surface of my personality because I’ve also got Mercury, Venus, and Neptune there. starrynight, Why does this guy love Piscean traits so much? Does he have Pisces or Neptune connected to the 5th, 7th , or 8th houses, or does he have Moon or Venus in Pisces. Sounds like he’d be happier with a Pisces Sun or Moon, or more then one personal planet in Pisces, if he appreciates more then just external Pisces traits.
Very well put, enjoyed reading this, great analogy.
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starrynight
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posted July 31, 2014 10:28 AM
I feel in touch with my Asc, I think it's because I have North Node in the 1st house conjunct Ascendant. It's like, this is where my personality needs to go.
But I don't have any other planets in the sign. So to a man attracted to my Asc sign all of this might appear shallow, only surface deep. quote:
Originally posted by Lotis White:
Why does this guy love Piscean traits so much? Does he have Pisces or Neptune connected to the 5th, 7th , or 8th houses, or does he have Moon or Venus in Pisces. Sounds like he’d be happier with a Pisces Sun or Moon, or more then one personal planet in Pisces, if he appreciates more then just external Pisces traits.
His 7th house is in Pisces and I don't know if it's relevant but he has BML in Pisces sitting right on his Dsc.
He is in an interesting case, attraction-wise, his 7th and 8th houses are not dominant in his natal chart, his Venus is heavily aspected and yet he seems to prefer women who have placements responding to those houses. His Venus is, like, totally ignored. It is in Scorpio, and I remember asking him if he could look at me as a romantic partner (Scorpio Sun + stellium here), he said, no way no way I adore you but I'd never be with a woman like you.
O__o was my astrologer's face. Because his Venus is not afflicted for it to be so pushed away. I was going to make a thread with a question using him as an example. quote:
Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
If, for example, a potential partner took him at his sunny, outgoing, confident and witty Ascendant (his JUPITER is in Leo) they wouldn't know how to handle the truth of his being moody, extremely introverted, intensely private, and the epitome of 'still waters run deep'.
This is it. This is what I'm talking about. "I thought you were like that, but turns out you are a different person." IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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posted July 31, 2014 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by starrynight:
His 7th house is in Pisces and I don't know if it's relevant but he has BML in Pisces sitting right on his Dsc.
He is in an interesting case, attraction-wise, his 7th and 8th houses are not dominant in his natal chart, his Venus is heavily aspected and yet he seems to prefer women who have placements responding to those houses. His Venus is, like, totally ignored. It is in Scorpio, and I remember asking him if he could look at me as a romantic partner (Scorpio Sun + stellium here), he said, no way no way I adore you but I'd never be with a woman like you.
O__o was my astrologer's face. Because his Venus is not afflicted for it to be so pushed away. I was going to make a thread with a question using him as an example.
Oh yes! That explains his Pisces hankerings. Thanks for the response. Interesting that he's not particularly drawn to his Venus sign. Perhaps he prefers to have his Scorpio Venus aspected by something in Pisces rather then to merge with more Scorpio energy. Also, I've noticed that men can often be drawn to the house associated with their Venus sign... A Gemini Venus can be attracted to his 3rd house, a Cancer Venus to his 4th house, a Leo Venus is extra attracted to his 5th house. The guy in question has a Scorpio Venus so he'd be extra attracted to his 8th house... Do you know what this guy has going on with his 8th? It's the same for women with their Mars sign. A Capricorn Mars would be attracted to her 10th house, an Aquarius Mars would be attracted to her 11th house, and a Pisces Mars would be attracted to her 12th house. It adds an extra layer to her likes and dislikes regarding men. IP: Logged |
starrynight
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posted July 31, 2014 06:39 PM
Here we have a sort of a relevant thread trying to determine why Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't follow the call of his Scorpio Venus either.  http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000593.html quote:
Originally posted by Lotis White:
Also, I've noticed that men can often be drawn to the house associated with their Venus sign... A Gemini Venus can be attracted to his 3rd house, a Cancer Venus to his 4th house, a Leo Venus is extra attracted to his 5th house. The guy in question has a Scorpio Venus so he'd be extra attracted to his 8th house... Do you know what this guy has going on with his 8th?
Um... nothing? I'll need to pull up his chart again but I'm almost sure his 8th house is empty. Asteroids, maybe, I'm not really looking at them much beyond Lilith. quote:
Originally posted by Lotis White:
It's the same for women with their Mars sign. A Capricorn Mars would be attracted to her 10th house, an Aquarius Mars would be attracted to her 11th house, and a Pisces Mars would be attracted to her 12th house. It adds an extra layer to her likes and dislikes regarding men.
Sagittarius Mars here, so 9th house.
Hmm not sure if it works in my case. My 9th house is in Pisces and nothing sits there. If we go with a ruler, then it's muddled because Neptune in Sag would merge with the Mars-based attraction. Which works for me, yes, I'm attracted to Sagittarius placements, prominent Jupiter and Fire energy in general. But Pisces... nothing stirs. IP: Logged |
MagnumJoe
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posted July 31, 2014 06:50 PM
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starrynight
No not deceptive. It is not just as deep as planets. If it becomes deceptive, then this means the person with the Asc has contradictions between his Asc and rest of thier planets. IP: Logged | |
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