posted August 05, 2014 08:08 PM            

His Pluto conjunct my Mars
His Mars trine my Pluto
His Jupiter opposite my Pluto
His Pluto square my Jupiter

Also there is Neptune here:
His Venus square my Neptune
His Neptune square my Moon

posted August 06, 2014 08:55 AM            

I think if one party has prominent Pluto, or Pluto-Mars, they will have a very pointed focus on anything they choose to direct their energy to.
I think Mars gives Pluto a long stream of stamina with which to pursue anything.

So, I think this in eithers' natal, if activated by the Other, will lead to obsessiveness regarding an aspect of the other.

posted August 06, 2014 11:25 AM            

He's on the outside and me inside. x

posted August 06, 2014 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
More and more I am starting to believe that obsession has more to do with individual natal than synastry.

I think if one party has prominent Pluto, or Pluto-Mars, they will have a very pointed focus on anything they choose to direct their energy to.
I think Mars gives Pluto a long stream of stamina with which to pursue anything.

So, I think this in eithers' natal, if activated by the Other, will lead to obsessiveness regarding an aspect of the other.

2 cents, from a student.

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I agree, actually.

My PLUTO is conjunct my costar's MARS, exactly, in Libra. His MARS is in his 10H and is 5R, and my PLUTO is prominent: conjunct my SUN and BML, 2H.

Not only do we have a powerful charisma, but we're extremely dedicated to our work -- whatever it happens to be. (The fact his MARS is his 5R, however, tends to point to creative pursuits being especially affected.)

10H, 5H, 2H are the areas where our MARS-PLUTO becomes focussed -- and what a laser it is!

His PLUTO quintiles my MARS, also exactly, but the effect is a bit different -- perhaps because it's conjunct my VENUS (in my 1H). My MARS is in my 3H; his PLUTO is 9H. This is more of a tutorship vibe than anything.

He's proved an invaluable mentor in terms of my writing and establishing myself in the TV/film industry. His PLUTO falling across my ASC shows the strong impact this has had on my identity in general. In many instances, I'll take his lead; I know it's the best thing to do. But he always respects my POV -- never domineering. Can be quite forthright WHEN he feels he's right, (hey, it's PLUTO) but respects my own insight.

My MARS is in his 12H; I've been just as instrumental in his identifying certain personal pitfalls -- personality issues, ways of dealing with people -- that were hitherto ignored or just written off as being untrue. But, somehow, over time, I was the one able to break through those defences, allowing him to take the microscope to himself. Not an easy thing to do!

posted August 06, 2014 12:03 PM            

Here it is:

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posted August 06, 2014 12:09 PM            

I already have a mars-pluto conjunction with someone; it's my mom.

We have intense fights sometimes. Because I' the pluto, I have the upper hand, and my possessiveness always angers her for some reason. For example, if I ask her who she's calling or little things like that, she would get angry and become really defensive.

posted August 06, 2014 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Chech your 8th house overlays - those leeds to obsession! Besides those pluto-mars double whammies…

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What do you mean by '8H overlays' exactly? In my experience, 8H/5H is a very sexual orientation; 8H/12H a deeply transformative, often difficult and life-changing.

I'm not sure, though, that they're necessarily obsessive. For me, these have been in aspects which in turn show area of focus by house-positions and overlays. Wherever PLUTO falls can be an area of obsession, depending upon interaspects made.

We can so break down the very nature of obsession into its key components. Anything which seeks to control will likely have obsessive qualities. Ami Anne claims in her research that SATURN denotes obsession. While I've not necessarily seen that, it would follow logically.

Obsession is simply anything which is an 'unwanted or undesirable repetitive experience'. For example, the persistent fear of contracting a deadly disease. This is why compulsions (like excessive hand-washing) follow.

When evaluating obsession, we shouldn't disregard its natural counterpart: compulsion. While some synastries can be more 'purely obsessive', this only means the compulsion is more internal and less in physical, dynamic operation.

Obsessions are also psychological tools brought to us by our subconscious for greater understanding. If an obsession is interfering with our daily experience and causing distress, it's drawing attention to an area of imbalance. If it's a harmless diversion, we might just find we're being enlightened to the fact something is missing from our lives.

posted August 06, 2014 12:40 PM            

VERTEX-NNODE-BML conjunct NESSUS-BML.

This private obsessive experience is fated and important for your growth. He's bringing to you qualities of NESSUS; your BMLs are conjunct, showing a similarity of experience regarding Lilith-oriented things and pursuits as well.

posted August 06, 2014 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Hi IndigoDirae

I already have a mars-pluto conjunction with someone; it's my mom.

We have intense fights sometimes. Because I' the pluto, I have the upper hand, and my possessiveness always angers her for some reason. For example, if I ask her who she's calling or little things like that, she would get angry and become really defensive.

Sometimes it can get our of control. We're more like sisters.

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posted August 06, 2014 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Nailed it.

VERTEX-NNODE-BML conjunct NESSUS-BML.

This private obsessive experience is fated and important for your growth. He's bringing to you qualities of NESSUS; your BMLs are conjunct, showing a similarity of experience regarding Lilith-oriented things and pursuits as well.

You said it's been a year now? I'd check progressions, too. Those are typical for sudden obsessions. Especially of your nURA is being hit.

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It's true what you said! I feel like this obsession is a part of my growth. I hate/love being obsessed with him. What qualities of Nessus will he be bringing in me btw and how? x

posted August 06, 2014 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
More and more I am starting to believe that obsession has more to do with individual natal than synastry.

I think if one party has prominent Pluto, or Pluto-Mars, they will have a very pointed focus on anything they choose to direct their energy to.
I think Mars gives Pluto a long stream of stamina with which to pursue anything.

So, I think this in eithers' natal, if activated by the Other, will lead to obsessiveness regarding an aspect of the other.

2 cents, from a student.

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Whoa....
This made me check. Natally...
My Mars conjunct asc from 12.
My Pluto conjunct asc from 1.
My Mars is EXACTLY on my Venus/Pluto MP
mercury is conjunct Mars

It points to obsession and my world IS obsession.
Everything just about, anything that I set my mind on at least.

posted August 06, 2014 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

My Mars conjunct asc from 12.
My Pluto conjunct asc from 1.

It points to obsession and my world IS obsession.
Everything just about, anything that I set my mind on at least.

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Yup. Me too.
Plus Saturn.

posted August 06, 2014 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
It's true what you said! I feel like this obsession is a part of my growth. I hate/love being obsessed with him. What qualities of Nessus will he be bringing in me btw and how? x

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Have you read the myth of Nessus and Dejanira? If not, do, as that will give you a good launching pad. Astrologically, NESSUS represents that mythos in the sense of 'MUST HAVE' and an overwhelming need to possess or acquire. DEJA is what NESSUS naturally seeks, but it could be whatever point NESSUS touches; it instills within him a powerful desire to have it. NOW.

Unless we're dealing with hypothetical or mathematically calculated ones.

In my experience, VERTEX tells us much about the direction, nature, and purpose of the relationship or interaction -- whatever it is. It's the presence of a karmic contract; actions are being taken to fulfill certain obligations.

In your case, growth.

When NESSUS contacts the VERTEX, it shows the purpose and driving force of the relationship (or, as in this instance, experience) is obsession, and the need for impulse control.

Differently from PRIAPUS, NESSUS expresses an id principle: he WANTS, and he TAKES. Both were known for raping in order to have their needs met; these guys don't take 'no' for an answer. But while PRIAPUS was more innocent in his approach (very id, once again) NESSUS was scheming. He plotted and planned to have DEJANIRA to himself. There's premeditation there -- which creates the necessary environment for obsession.