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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted August 07, 2014 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read that this is a strong karmic attraction factor when the North Node opposes the South Node.

However, it doesn't make good sense to me that we would want to spend much time with someone who struggles with what we already know. That spells great frustration to me, logically.
Unless we are co-dependency-oriented.

I can see how it would bring people together, but in a long-term situation this would be very frustrating.

I would surmise that both would very quickly feel held back. As the growth in the relationship would be determined by the willingness and pace of the slowest-growing party.

And, if we have two people who are willing to grow and do so at a relatively equal pace,
don't we have two people who are growing in opposite directions?

So, this association will only last until one or both realises their NN, no?

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posted August 07, 2014 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you put two magnets together what happens?

I think its interesting that NN/NN synastry doesn't stick as tightly unless there is some other placement or aspect to act as glue. But if it did, we would probably all end up marrying our high school sweethearts.

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lvASTRO
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posted August 07, 2014 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think too many people discredit the South Node and think it's something we are supposed to pull away from completely. In reality, it is a mastery we have accumulated in our past lives, and countless lives before that we, thus, cling to; and it hinders growth in our new incarnation.

The North Node is the lesson(s) we are to learn in this life, a weakness that, when dealt with, will remove the crutch of our SN and allow us a greater balance in life, in general.

Think of it this way. If you've spent 20 years mastering marathon running, are you going to take up powerlifting because muscular strength is a weakness and never run again? NO!... And all because you are in amazing cardiovascular health?
NO! Your heart health would deteriorate quickly and you'd lose your 'mastery.' The idea is to conquer your Achilles heel and then fortify it with knowledge of the SN. This leaves us somewhere in the middle, between the two.

How does a partner with NN opposition factor into this? Well, they've mastered the lesson we need to learn in this life in their past lives, and vice versa. In this way, we have SO much to teach each other, and it isn't one-sided. Growth comes through squares and oppositions, remember? And growth can be difficult, painful even. But anything worthwhile isn't easy 99% of the time.

The image of magnets is spot on. I wholeheartedly believe that if each partner is open to change and growth, then this union is powerful, karmic, fated, and so completely rewarding. Both partners teach, learn, and strike a middle ground, harmoniously.

Don't forget your roots, but don't fall into stagnation, either.

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KarmicMoon
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posted August 07, 2014 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarmicMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In her book the Lunar Nodes iscover Your Souls Karmic Mission Celeste Teal says,
"An attracting combination. The two have known each other before and will likely meet again. There is often mutual sympathy, appreciation, participation, and response to the other in their basic efforts toward advancement and meeting goals."

Ruth Aharoni in her book Karmic Astrology past Lives, Present Loves points out that Edgar Cayce had this placement with his long time secretary and alleged "twin flame" Gladys Davis. She says, "Other significant conjunctions between the charts includes close conjunctions between Cayce's Dragons Head and Davis's Dragons Tail, and between Davis's Dragons Head and Cayce's Dragons Tail. These conjunctions enable both souls to reap the benefits of the concentrated energy of the encounters between Heads and Tails. Such an encounter reinforces the ability of each partner to learn karmic lessons in the most fruitful and productive way, and to invest effectively in a shared karmic goal for which they have reached in this world.
Conjunctions between Heads and tails in chart comparisons show that both partners knew one another in a former incarnation, and will continue their acquaintance in this incarnation, yet they will not be able to consummate their relationship due to karmic circumstances."

Edgar Cayce's North Node is at 9 54' Pisces, Davis North Node is at 10 55' Virgo. I've seen references on the internet that this is a twin flame aspect.

I have this with my TF. It is a very karmic aspect. I agree with these two interpretations. You have a mission together in this life. It may not be to be together forever but you both need each other to learn or accomplish something.

North and south node need to be BALANCED. You don't leave the south node behind. You each are what the other hopes to become and can help each other.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 08, 2014 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A very close and meaningful contact.
I agree with KM and everyone else, you don't leave your SN behind, in the sense it is the part you master and in a way you need to use to get to your NN, there is a transmutation of the SN into the NN. You carry the SN with you and integrate it into the future. There is a continuum. For example, people being born with Saturn on their SN (despite other possible meanings like being old souls etc.) could be born in a restrictive situation they need to overcome (like some sort of inner or outer prison). In a way, you're freeing yourself at some point and move towards the NN, but you carry within you the lessons of this restrictive situation, they become a strong weapon/teaching tool for you and the others, they define you, they make you what you are.

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posted August 08, 2014 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for everyone's replies.

So what I gather is that we carry the wisdom gained from the SN for our life, whilst learning the path of our NN.

So, it is not really about "karma" then, the attraction, I mean?

More about a sense of being able to integrate what is lacking in self through realising these attributes in the other?

The partner: The Great Mirror.
I think Buddha was onto something!

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted August 08, 2014 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KarmicMoon,

Ohhh you said Twin Flame.

I'm not comfortable with this concept at all.

I'm not convinced there is one-anything in life.

Although I do admit that there is a theme of the union of opposites throughout nature... hmm... still not convinced yet.

Maybe I simply don't have one. From what I've read, he would only be a distraction anyway!

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posted August 08, 2014 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, thank you for the great analogies.

The members of LL certainly have a wonderful way with words, I have noticed.

Excellent at explaining complex concepts.

That truly is an awesome talent, and so useful for disseminating astrological information, that is often quite complex at times.

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MorpHnStorM
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posted August 08, 2014 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorpHnStorM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMO (as it stands now), I don't see a NNode-SNode conj. alone as especially significant, as you'll have this with everyone within certain age groups...I could see if that conj. also included angle/planet contacts, but not on its own. I guess this Node conj. with a very tight orb would carry more weight, but I'd still look for additional contacts to them. Chances are that there will be other aspects involved; the aspects that lead to the two noticing each other (out of many) in the first place.

Am I the only one that feels this way? Thoughts?

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Gemini Blues
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posted August 08, 2014 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
IMO (as it stands now), I don't see a NNode-SNode conj. alone as especially significant, as you'll have this with everyone within certain age groups...I could see if that conj. also included angle/planet contacts, but not on its own. I guess this Node conj. with a very tight orb would carry more weight, but I'd still look for additional contacts to them. Chances are that there will be other aspects involved; the aspects that lead to the two noticing each other (out of many) in the first place.

Am I the only one that feels this way? Thoughts?


What I have experienced strangely enough is nodes square to each other to be an attractor more than either conjuction. But there still has to be other aspects or you don't get close enough to activate it. Again with the magnet analogy... beyond a certain distance it does too little.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 09, 2014 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
IMO (as it stands now), I don't see a NNode-SNode conj. alone as especially significant, as you'll have this with everyone within certain age groups...I could see if that conj. also included angle/planet contacts, but not on its own. I guess this Node conj. with a very tight orb would carry more weight, but I'd still look for additional contacts to them. Chances are that there will be other aspects involved; the aspects that lead to the two noticing each other (out of many) in the first place.

Am I the only one that feels this way? Thoughts?


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