posted August 11, 2014 11:23 PM            

And, while I understand this is important, and it MUST happen, I feel that you're standing in quicksand, and all I can do is watch.

So, I'll watch. Because you'll be reborn. And then it'll be over.

And I'll be relieved.

posted August 11, 2014 11:32 PM            

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No.

And, while I understand this is important, and it MUST happen, I feel that you're standing in quicksand, and all I can do is watch.

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posted August 12, 2014 02:11 AM            

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Originally posted by TyrianPurple:
Eeek-- that's ominous. Is that based more on what's in the stars or what's on the FL profiles?

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That was a gut feeling. It overwhelmed me. I don't often have that experience. If I do -- I tend to act on it. It's VERY rare that I'll be so absolute about something. I always investigate all angles; it's never so ... uncharacteristically CLEAR to me.

posted August 12, 2014 04:10 AM            

We have a synastric aspect which is turning this into a warped / funhouse mirror of myself. She's in many ways my shadow, and it's wrecking my usual abilities:

MADHATTER parallel SUN, (0°15) opposite PALLAS (0°30) conjunct DEJANIRA (1°). This must be what it's like when someone casts Confusion in D&D. It's as if I can't read their synastry; I've been trying all evening to little to no avail.

This is all I'm getting:

Their cSUN is conjunct my nCHIRON; they also have cCHIRON conjunct cNEMESIS, both of which conjunct his nKARMA (1°).The cSUN is also on his nDESTINN (0°), which is in part why I'm just sitting back and trying to let it happen. It's NOT easy!

One aspect I saw synastrically:

His VENUS is conjunct her exact ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction over 3° VIR (3°). It's intriguing that her conjunction is exact -- I'll say that much. She also has JUNO and ALMA in the same sign, but over 15° apart.

In either case, if you could read it, K, I'd REALLY appreciate it. She's successfully thwarted me from doing so for the moment, and I'm going a little out of my own head about that.

Bear in mind her natal DEJANIRA is 22° SAG -- (almost but 0°01 off 23°).

I think the tEROS on their nMOON (1°) is what brought the connexion to some form of 'consummation' now. It'll be interesting to see if it fades as quickly as it came on; especially with her natal DEJA being near. She doesn't strike me as the 'vulnerable' type.

posted August 12, 2014 04:25 AM            

They have VENUS opp VENUS, and MARS opp MARS. Further, I think her VENUS is loosely quindecile his MARS.

Nope. Quadronovile, and only about 3°.

posted August 12, 2014 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
That natal MOON-NEPTUNE has gotta burn. You're weak to Pisceans, especially women. With your 7H CERES, it just makes things worse. She's super feminine in nature. Cancer rising, Pisces SUN and VENUS.

I'll let Indigo do her thing here, though.

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posted August 12, 2014 04:30 AM            

Her PLUTO is square your SUN (0°) and PRIAPUS (2°). That's a very potent T-Square. It completes an obsessive pattern which exposes your weakest point.

posted August 12, 2014 04:36 AM            

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She's in many ways my shadow

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The cSUN is also on his nDESTINN (0°), which is in part why I'm just sitting back and trying to let it happen. It's NOT easy!

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That makes for an interesting reading indeed. "Dooooom!!!! Doom ahead!! but it's your destiny." eeek!

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I think the tEROS on their nMOON (1°) is what brought the connexion to some form of 'consummation' now.

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The connection (that right, I typed the 'ct'!) it's far more eros than agape. And it's very different than other people I've met, where I knew there was a long long long term connection. Far too unpredictable, but transitory is a definite possibility.

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And, goes without saying, deflector shields at maximum power. Don't mess around with this one. Be on your top guard.

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Now that you see the kind of person I'm usually drawn to, you probably get why I treated you like you were quicksand too, before I got to know you...

posted August 12, 2014 04:40 AM            

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Her PLUTO is square your SUN (0°) and PRIAPUS (2°).

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Googling some of these things and getting interesting hits:

"serious about secrecy and control. The subjects personal life may remain a mystery, as they are experts at armour plating their true emotions. They don’ t let much slip and can be extreme control freaks"
" they are often self sabotaging and create the very scenario they fear the most. They are are most afraid of their dark, unacceptable, beastly thoughts, which can translate as feeling that something about them is ugly, and that they are deformed in someway. They might hide behind a mask, this could be simply very plain or dark clothes they can disappear behind or conversely elaborate, over-the-top freakish make-up. Anything that distracts from the real self that they find unacceptable. "

posted August 12, 2014 04:57 AM            

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Her PLUTO is square your SUN (0°) and PRIAPUS (2°).

It completes an obsessive pattern which exposes your weakest point.

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Just understood that. Both witty and accurate.

posted August 12, 2014 05:55 AM            

There is a PLUTO square luminary DW (her MOON, his SUN), which will be problematic, as far as power dynamics go, obsessive impulses, etc.

I don't know if you noticed the two yods that he has pointed at her. His PLUTO-MOON pointing at her CHIRON, and his MARS-JUPITER pointing at her MERCURY. With an additional MERCURY-MERCURY opp, I actually see this self-imploding from wildly different ideas about how a relationship should be.

Synastrically, I actually don't see much conducive to a long-term relationship. And actually, I see him as the unintentional agitator.

Ultimately, they have very different core energies. Her MOON is opp his SUN by sign. His MOON is square her SUN by sign. So many oppositions and squares, and with CHIRON involved, it's a teachable pairing, for sure.

She would do best with a fixed sign type of person. A ton of his points fall into her 5H, so he is an attractive prospect, but she hasn't really pulled back the veil and seen him for his true self. With his SUN aspecting her AC just inside the 12H, that must be a taunting just-there-but-not kind of feeling.

Most concerning aspect I see? Her PALLAS conj his CHIRON, trine her MOON and quincunx her SATURN-JUPITER double team. She's pretty darn good at emotional manipulation, should the fancy strike her.

posted August 12, 2014 11:52 AM            

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Ultimately, they have very different core energies. Her MOON is opp his SUN by sign. His MOON is square her SUN by sign.

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Her Moon is exactly QUINDECILE his Sun.
His Sun is square her Moon by a bit less than 4 deg.

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Maybe the VENUS-VENUS and MARS-MARS oppositions are creating an intense attraction?

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Yes, indeed. And this makes their natal Venus/Mars midpoints conjunct/opposite (by a bit less than 3 deg. if I see it correctly).

Cosmitec has stated about these ^ specific midpoints;

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One of the most important indications of sexual compatibility between two people is related to the Venus/Mars midpoint.

A midpoint is the point half-way between two planets or factors. It's the half-distance between two stellar bodies that can be occupied by another planet or factor but it may as well be unoccupied or not in aspect to another planet or stellar body.

So, the Venus/Mars midpoint is just the point half-way between Venus and Mars in your natal chart.

When the Venus/Mars midpoint of one person is in the same sign as the Venus/Mars midpoint of the second person, there is sexual compatibility.

Moreover, the closer both midpoints are, the higher the sexual compatibility.

When both Venus/Mars midpoints coincide or conjunct (orb 1°), there is a very very high degree of sexual compatibility.

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I've had ^ this with a guy;

- Venus/Venus square
- Mars/Mars square

Which ^ made our natal V/M midpoints conjunct/opp. As Tyrian said, a (sexual) chemistry out-of-this-world...!

But point is; what are the progressions telling? You can have the hottest/best synastry in the world but without some promising progressions it would even be the question if both people will physically ACT on their attraction.. (not excluding a one nighter here).

posted August 12, 2014 12:22 PM            

Wondered that; I hadn't had the chance to check it. I was about to say, 'OH, MOON quindecile SUN? We're done.'

Because I've had that. It's a VERY obsessive thing. I wonder what it teaches you, though. See, he threw many planets into my 8H, and vice versa. It was CLEAR what we were learning.

posted August 12, 2014 01:05 PM            

You are awesome. A fearsome threesome, no less.

Tyrian, please excuse this interruption, but your charts caught my eye. I have a few similar features, both in natal and synastry. In a mainly LDR (Long dis.....).

E.g., I have Mercury in 3rd and the mirror image of your Venus/Saturn on the other side of the IC - in the 4th, as well as other things in synastry.

posted August 12, 2014 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
One of the most important indications of sexual compatibility between two people is related to the Venus/Mars midpoint.

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Maybe it's because of my natal SUN=VENUS/MARS, but this MP has never done it for me.

Also, what if you're not talking physical sexual compatibility? Rather, what would be the right thing to look for regarding telepathic / astral 'relating' ?

posted August 12, 2014 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:

Most concerning aspect I see? Her PALLAS conj his CHIRON, trine her MOON and quincunx her SATURN-JUPITER double team. She's pretty darn good at emotional manipulation, should the fancy strike her.

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posted August 12, 2014 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by TyrianPurple:
Indigo-- omg, were you right about quicksand!

I have made a major life discovery in the last 2 hours. It's a little too adult for LL, but yeah, quicksand CITY.

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posted August 12, 2014 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Indigo, BW, Mir,

You are awesome. A fearsome threesome, no less.

Tyrian, please excuse this interruption, but your charts caught my eye. I have a few similar features, both in natal and synastry. In a mainly LDR (Long dis.....).

E.g., I have Mercury in 3rd and the mirror image of your Venus/Saturn on the other side of the IC - in the 4th, as well as other things in synastry.

I am intrigued by what Blind Writer said - that you cannot stay as friends. That is precisely what I'm trying to do with my SM and wonder if it's a lost cause. Could BW or someone give me the low down on my charts? Shall I start a thread?

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Please do, Astro.

Honestly, there's one VERY distinct difference between their charts and yours. I'll have to say, though, I can't say that I've had the experience of cCHIRON-SUN in 11H making it 'impossible to stay friends' after a relationship. BW, are you talking about a personal experience here?

posted August 12, 2014 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Maybe it's because of my natal SUN=VENUS/MARS, but this MP has never done it for me.

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It's hard to say. I have SUN=VENUS/MARS too. KD's VENUS/MARS MP is on my SUN, as well. However, I have had others aspect my SUN without incident (your hubby, for example).

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Honestly, there's one VERY distinct difference between their charts and yours. I'll have to say, though, I can't say that I've had the experience of cCHIRON-SUN in 11H making it 'impossible to stay friends' after a relationship. BW, are you talking about a personal experience here?

For me, it's the 5H/8H overlay. Ohh, forget it. You're going to love each other or kill each other. Period. Without an outlet, it's just going to be UGLY.

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Two reasons - firstly because synastric CHIRON has no fruitful outlet here. And secondly, because composite CHIRON is intercepted, so its healing properties are cut off. It acts like a festering wound under the surface. I think this is a relationship with potential, but just fell short.