posted August 12, 2014 03:51 PM            

Without further ado, I'm going to post, without preamble or backstory, some of our Tropical synastries and composites. To me, 'The Purpose' seems multifaceted -- so much so, that I find myself easily overwhelmed, or just confused.

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posted August 12, 2014 06:58 PM            

In the synastric, wow, those Node-Karma links are pretty interesting.
Not sure who the outside person is, but I can see them potentially get hurt here. Natal Venus-Neptune square, never the most realistic of aspects, and here Neptune, and retro, being amplified by the inner person's Moon/Uranus/Angel. That could make the Neptune person dream, which could be very inspirational, but also could have a very negative effect on the overall quality of their life. It can fall too deeply inside this electric dream world, which is largely illusory. Plus this is all happening in outer person's H12, recieving someone's Mars in your H12 can be difficult. Energy comes from a place where you don't know how to deal with it, and the Mars person can feel like they're not being acknowledged.

Outer person's Mars on inner's Pluto would also be driving the outer person nuts. That could potentially get out of hand if both are not reasonable and accommodating.

Outer Moon with Lilith opposed to inner Sun, Pluto, Lilith and natal Mars is looking really dynamic. The outer person already knows what it's like to have the Moon opposed by an active, harsh planet so this would come as an amplifier, Pluto, Sun, Lilith, all egging the Mars on. But that could be damaging to the Moon. I sort of see this as scratching an itch that you know you should not scratch, but it feels too good. This irritates the Moon like crazy, but the energy bumps... Like grade A Colombian cocaine.

The inner Neptune closing the outer person's Moon-Venus trine into a grand trine looks very sweet.

That's my contribution. This is a lot of material, it's a little overwhelming, I don't know where to look first!

posted August 12, 2014 07:19 PM            

One of the biggest configurations I've noticed right off is his MOON-BML-NYMPHE opposite my SUN-BML-PLUTO and conjunct his MARS-LILITH.

How do you think it affects the MOON, being 5H and in an 8H overlay? I instinctively got the sense that without a sexual outlet, we just might destroy each other. Flat pull out all the stops, hit the buttons we never should, and actively devastate.

posted August 12, 2014 07:41 PM            

I'm assuming here that the male person is the Cancer, and you the Libra, correct me if I'm wrong.

For him, I'm seeing a very guarded person, if the house placements are all correct. Chiron conjunct your IC that tightly, that has got to hurt, and the H8 Sun is one to feel deeply and simmer underneath, add a retro Mercury in H8 whose only positive aspect is a trine to retro Neptune in H12 and, well. This is not someone that communicates clearly. And yet, Moon in H5. Go figure. Maybe he's worked this out by now in his life, but it doesn't seem like someone who can mentally process his emotions well. Even though it's in the house of fun and self-expression, this is kind of a frustrated Moon. Put your Pluto and the beautiful Libra Sun opposed to it to amp up the Mars that's always giving him trouble, and yes, sex is going to seem like a really, really good idea to him. You give a sort of expression to his Moon. Like he can gain some kind of victory (over himself, over the world) from conquering you.

posted August 13, 2014 12:09 AM            

The house positions are correct; his CHIRON-IC is definitely apparent to me. That is absolutely a deep wounding, and he's extremely guarded, even if he pretends otherwise with that jovial Sag rising of his. I think the 5H MOON just furthers the image of playfulness, a touch of the zany, and an inclination to being very lighthearted -- even theatrical in expression. It's an act, though; he does channel a great deal of his energy into his creativity and think in symbols, archetypes, and metaphor. He uses story a lot to convey the more complex emotional experiences, as it's not his strong suit.

Remember the filmed version of Alan Moore's 'V for Vendetta'? Very much that. Especially with the 8H SUN. Ohh, yes. Still waters run extremely deep.

I'm curious as to what made you feel that his MOON, in all of his frustration, would seek sexual expression? I'm assuming the fact it's in my 8H, conjunct his NYMPHE and square mine?

posted August 13, 2014 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Apologies for the delay, libran_dream. Took me a moment to process all you said. While we always unconsciously project to some level in our interpretations, I do think that some of it is spot on, while the rest COULD have been, had the psychodynamics been different.

The house positions are correct; his CHIRON-IC is definitely apparent to me. That is absolutely a deep wounding, and he's extremely guarded, even if he pretends otherwise with that jovial Sag rising of his. I think the 5H MOON just furthers the image of playfulness, a touch of the zany, and an inclination to being very lighthearted -- even theatrical in expression. It's an act, though; he does channel a great deal of his energy into his creativity and thinks in symbols, archetypes, and metaphor. He uses story a lot to convey the more complex emotional experiences, as it's not his strong suit.

Remember the filmed version of Alan Moore's 'V for Vendetta'? Very much that. Especially with the 8H SUN. Ohh, yes. Still waters run extremely deep.

I'm curious as to what made you feel that his MOON, in all of his frustration, would seek sexual expression? I'm assuming the fact it's in my 8H, conjunct his NYMPHE and square mine?

And the bit about his MARS; does it seem the 'conquering' sort due to the opposition to his Aries MOON? You've got me very intrigued now!

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With this aspect, when your Moon is frustrated, what do you do? You leave it the f alone and turn to the opposite to get some satisfaction from that. The Mars gets on that double quick, and the drive is all the stronger because you don't want to look back. So when along comes someone offering a Pluto-Sun link to an eager Mars, it's going to want that expression. And when that goes down, the see-saw goes back to the awareness of the Moon. Here, the Moon might be a little scandalized by what the Mars+Pluto did. There might be self-doubt, self-recrimination, promises that you'll be better... This can be part of why he might not be giving you enough respect sometimes. As I said, his issue, not yours.

posted August 14, 2014 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Was going to post my chart here, but took a deep breath and went public.

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That's wonderful, AstroK!

posted August 14, 2014 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
... with Mars constantly opposed to it, he will learn to sexualize his Moon. Human sexuality can be very complex, and this looks like a man with a complex sexuality. With the opposition, you're used to ignoring/shunning one for the other, and with time it becomes Pavlovian, with time it might become MORE intense(I'm talking about the inner emotional need-sex need link here ...

With this aspect, when your Moon is frustrated, what do you do? You leave it the f alone and turn to the opposite to get some satisfaction from that. The Mars gets on that double quick, and the drive is all the stronger because you don't want to look back. So when along comes someone offering a Pluto-Sun link to an eager Mars, it's going to want that expression. And when that goes down, the see-saw goes back to the awareness of the Moon. Here, the Moon might be a little scandalized by what the Mars+Pluto did. There might be self-doubt, self-recrimination, promises that you'll be better... This can be part of why he might not be giving you enough respect sometimes. As I said, his issue, not yours.

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Staggering, LD. Indeed, he has one of the most complex sexual profiles I've ever seen -- and I've worked as a psychosexual therapist for several years. Ohhh, he's a tough customer. I could've written an entire dissertation on him.

The dynamics have always been a bit bizarre. On the one hand, he's entirely self-sufficient and practically invulnerable. The perfectly practised pokerface (though he refuses to engage in gambling -- or any addictive behaviours; he's been a teetotaller all of his life). To an ex-profiler, this is essentially siren song. BUT. I was determined to keep it all to the abstract. After all, we were working together. I wasn't about to do something stupid and derail a project over a decade in the making.

Then we went to a godawful, horribly disorganised pitch conference. (SUCH a disaster that he actually wrote the organisers to tell them EXACTLY how much so. And for the consummate gentleman -- this means EXTREME displeasure.) I remember feeling rather ignored or taken advantage of for some particular reason. He'd do that; never out of disrespect -- on the contrary, I think he has more respect for me than most I know. He's just terrible with people. He masks the ineptitude with politesse and an artificial joviality that can border on saccharine. (He considers it far superior to his actual grave countenance -- which I find oddly comforting and not the least bit intimidating; he's always worried of intimidating others.)

At any rate, despite my feeling exhausted and otherwise very unhappy with his recent treatment of me -- some mixture of obliviousness -- or perhaps I was just raging against my own frustration. (A totally foreign experience, by the way; my self-control is ironclad, and my libido -- let's put it this way: I'm mostly asexual. For a man to get to me THAT much? Good God ... NO. Besides, he had this way of seeming completely unaffected. I would be an inner cesspool, while he would be the portrait of calm. Ohhhh, I wanted to pummel him SO many times.)

Anyway. Point being. He started coming completely apart at the meeting: flustered, himself falling into disorder (which he WILL NOT have, under any circumstances -- the keyword for him would be 'overcontrol') and having no real clue how to convey himself when something he desperately wants is on the line. Almost regressing to a child in the way he seemed so ... lost. (5H MOON much?)

He was fidgety, and shoved one of his screenplays into his attache -- but it had come unstapled, and pages went everywhere. All over the floor. He was furious -- and mortified. In his aggravation (we both collected them) -- the sheer force of snatching them up, he caught his sleeve on his cufflink and wrecked his tie.

It was a strange moment of clarity for me; this man is no giant. Despite his experience and accomplishments, he has a breaking point. He's hardly invincible -- much as he'd love to tell himself otherwise.

I unhooked the cufflink and fixed his tie while he mumbled about 'the utter disorganisation' of the venue, and how useless his stapler has obviously become -- and so on ... and so on. (Virgo MC, naturally). Then he just stopped all of a sudden, sighed, and -- looking right at me, (with something like fear, realisation, and resignation) said, 'Oh, dear; I really need you, don't I?'

It was clearly rhetorical, but I offered some kind of reassurance in response; I was too taken aback by his admission, I don't even recall what I said. Something along the lines of, he doesn't need to worry, and that I'm there; or maybe I just squeezed his shoulder and grinned -- I honestly don't know. I can be VERY caught off-guard by things like that. Not worse than his usual deer-in-headlights reaction to anything emotional -- especially anything affectionate -- but it's up there in its level of avoidance. 'Impressive' some would say.

But that perfectly illustrates what you were describing -- if in an unnecessarily verbose way. Heh. The way his MOON will only appear at the most random times; otherwise, he throws everything to that chivalrous, gentlemanly-to-a-fault overcontrolled Libran MARS-SHERLOCK. Everything calculated, controlled, strategised and carefully considered.

But that MOON of his ... Aries, no less, and conjunct NYMPHE-BML. Ohhhh, it's interesting.

I never thought MARS opposite MOON could be an indicator of extreme sexual repression. Spot on. We're both sexual anorexics, but I'm not sure exactly what's in my chart doing that.

In his, it seems plain to see now that it's the MARS opposite MOON.

What do you think of his natal LILITH conjunction to that MARS? 1º.

posted August 14, 2014 02:52 PM            

As well as being 5H, his MOON is 8R. I often think of rulers as typically giving greater insight into the houses ruled; for example, if I want to understand his 8H, I look to the points inside of it (SUN, MERC, VERTEX, PALLAS and DEJANIRA) and its ruler, which is the 5H MOON -- conjunct NYMPHE-BML, opposite MARS-SHERLOCK-LILITH, etc.

But does it go both ways?

Can we gain insight into the MOON's expression, by it being 8R, or is this just its MARS opposition creating the sexualising effect?

posted August 14, 2014 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000733.html

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posted August 14, 2014 06:23 PM            

I've taken a look at the composite now and what I think is very telling is this Eros on IC in AQU; super intimate, infinitely better in mind than physically. It's a "sparks" sort of thing, very, you know, "and their eyes met from across the room and it seemed for the moment that there was no one else in the world", that sort of pulpy thing. At the very least, an electrifying eye-contact indicator.

cMars squares cMoon, so this relationship's sexual theme is something that is familiar to him(from the natal opp) and it's quite telling that what I assume is your name asteroid is there conjunct the Moon. It makes the aspect very "gender-correct".

And allll of this happening in AQU, and Mercury being in H11, that's definitely something going on on the mental plane.

Continuing on with this theme of mental sexuality, you have Vesta, of all things, on Pluto, and in LIB and in H12.
This is all just very very sexually complex.

Just a question, don't answer if you don't want to, but have you two ever been "officially" together? Just curious how that Sun/Venus/Jupiter in H10 is coming out, cause that is not joking around.

I had to look up Atropos to see what the NN is all about, for shame, I used to know all the Moirae. So Atropos on the NN in H8, that would bring a sort of finality to it.
My first impression, which could be wildly off the mark, is that there is a theme of progressing toward a final definition and understanding of the specific sexuality that binds you two. Not necessarily just the sexuality, but all things emotionally deep, intense and repressed.
I mean, NN in H8 in Gemini, that's such a karmic has-to-happen relationship for a sex therapist. It's the worthy challenge.

Your story was interesting, and engaging. You have an eye for what people hide behind mundane details. And oh Virgo MCs and their staplers...

I like your term "sexual anorexic". What a good description of that condition. To me, at first view, the thing in your chart that's doing that is the overemphasis on the complexities of sex (Pluto+BLM on Sun, in Libra(Air); Eros on Mercury(Air), Mars, Moon, Lust - this whole cluster in H3(Air)) and a void in the simplicities of sex (Aries and Taurus completely void, except for Chiron in Taurus and retro, which on its own is very telling).
And to all this a NN in H12, with Vesta on top.
This is an all brain, no bodily fluids configuration to me.

And all of it being driven toward the pure and spiritual. (It's a carefully hidden thing, this prissy Vesta, but I see it. I have mine in H1 so I'm attuned to the energy.) You know the Vestal virgins history? I assume you probably do, but just in case you haven't yet, research the order, its history and its meaning within Rome's society. It's significant to you.

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Further confirmation of your delineation, libran_dream:

As well as being 5H, his MOON is 8R. I often think of rulers as typically giving greater insight into the houses ruled; for example, if I want to understand his 8H, I look to the points inside of it (SUN, MERC, VERTEX, PALLAS and DEJANIRA) and its ruler, which is the 5H MOON -- conjunct NYMPHE-BML, opposite MARS-SHERLOCK-LILITH, etc.

But does it go both ways?

Can we gain insight into the MOON's expression, by it being 8R, or is this just its MARS opposition creating the sexualising effect?

Very, very intriguing.

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I have to ask here, and it's such a cliche question, but do you know what his relationship with his mother was like and what he thinks of her? Because this is kind of looking like a "mother-issues" person.

posted August 15, 2014 02:51 AM            

Ohhh, there's plenty to tell, libran_dream; really, truly insightful, fantastic analysis.

posted August 18, 2014 05:40 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Asking a Cancerian male about his mother? Assuming Mommy issues? Oh, now you're just cheating.

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