posted August 13, 2014 03:23 AM            

I've seen it condensed to 'retaliation' which then has you asking -- how? What? In what particular fashion?

For me, it's involved in a certain configuration:

His TISIPHONE-HADES (1º) conjunct my CHIRON (0º) and PREY (3º). Then, my TISIPHONE-LACHESIS (2º) is conjunct his SUN (2º30).

To further the emphasis, our TISIPHONES are parallel at 32ºN -- considerably OOB.

While I remain uncertain about the operation of many asteroids, they're at least relatively easy to test. I'm not even sure how I'd expect TISIPHONE to operate synastrically.

And therein lies my issue.

posted August 13, 2014 01:45 PM            

Tisiphone is the killer's conscience personified; one of the Erinyes, she was said to be the Fury that would torment a killer to the point of madness. To an extent, she seems to be the the Greco-Roman answer to guilt-induced self-destruction -- specifically in regards to murder.

Over time, it's been expanded to include 'revenge' and 'retaliation' -- which is what confuses me. Tisiphone's bent was specifically murder -- albeit, vigilante homicide -- but something to do with the taking of another's life; she'd drive you insane for it. Especially if it was the murder of kin -- any member of your family, or whom was considered family.

I'm not sure how she operates in synastry. Natally, this could point to an interest in, or perhaps even involvement regarding, some of her themes. But synastrically?

And yet, I'm finding there are some of us (such as Gabby) who have it prominent in their synastry, but have no answers.

posted August 13, 2014 01:54 PM            

He gave his character my personality, and I portrayed her in his demo. He's the latest (and last!) to don the mantle of my character, in which he was cast 2010.

Both of our works' themes also feature a troubled main character having to kill the beloved romantic interest -- either a mercy killing, or due to some sort of unwavering principle.

posted August 13, 2014 02:23 PM            

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posted August 13, 2014 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Oh, interesting, one of the Furies. I remember Jodie Foster now lol I think your synastric combo is rather clear: his Tisiphone/Hades - Fury from Hell even: great desire for revenge/retaliation/lex talionis on your "victim" markers: Chiron and Prey. You are the potential victim of his Tisiphone. On the other hand, your Tisiphone/Lachesis on his Sun shows there is a cycle of revenge. It really makes me think of lex talionis and Pluto. The whole thing seems to have a Pluto vibe. (that part of Pluto dealing with revenge, control, seizing power, games of power/powerlessness etc.)

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Whew, Lee; had to catch my breath with that one. There's the moment that someone else is seeing what you are, and you realise you aren't imagining it -- or projecting upon it. That it's ... there.

ALL of that deeply resonates with me. Especially the part of your bringing up Jodie Foster -- no doubt her role in Thomas Harris' 'The Silence of the Lambs'. That's the seed from which my project sprung 15 years ago. His role is actually the Lecter/Hatter to my Starling/Alice. So -- wow.

I always had a strange inkling the project itself is some form of karmic exploration and eventual clearing. As I'd mentioned elsewhere a rather 'Dead Again' sort of situation. Much of it comes out in the project. It wasn't even really until I looked at our synastry that my eyes bugged. Way, way too uncanny. Then my SUN and his MOON falling along the Axis of Homicide? Along with the MARS conjunct PLUTO? Good God.

You mentioned cycle; I get that, too. Though one thing has stumped me. I get its present operation, but I can't help but wonder if it's vestigial from the past or not.

His DEJANIRA is conjunct my NESSUS, exactly, at 23° Cancer. While I've definitely had my work cut out for me in terms of pushing for a transformation, the feeling of it in karmic terms seems almost tragic. There's this intuitive sense that we suffered from an irreconcilable impasse regarding principles and life values. But seeing my NESSUS exactly conjunct his DEJANIRA in his 8H really had me furrowing my brow. It didn't jive. Now, I get it; I'm a very transformative person, and I've had to (obsessively at times) push him to do so. (His VERTEX is there, so, thankfully he is.)

It's heavily configured, too: it's square our Aries (MOON, NYMPHE, EROS, PRIAPUS, BML) and Libra (SUN, PLUTO, BML, MARS, LILITH) points, and opposite my one Capricorn point (ALICE) and conjunct the other Cancer points (MERCURY, NYMPHE).

Sexuality, sexual freedom, and antisocial / unorthodox themes are undoubtedly playing a role, too, since it's involving the above with emphasis in our 5H/8H overlay.

posted August 14, 2014 05:42 PM            

I STILL can't swing how I'm NESSUS. (He's the dominant in the dynamic.) Though, if we're purely talking about pushing for transformation, clearing blockages, and healing dysfunction -- ohhhh, yeah. I've been the instigator there.

posted August 14, 2014 06:27 PM            

His nNESSUS is 10º GEM, which squares my ASC (0º) and VENUS (2º). But my drDEJANIRA is 12º GEM.

So his Tropical NESSUS is conjunct my Draco DEJANIRA, 2º.

I find this curious, and potentially relevant, due to the Tropical DEJANIRA-NESSUS conjunction which is configured into, more or less, 'The Tisiphonic Configuration' -- even though it pulls in several points of our natals. It's a heavy pattern.

Now, I can see how I'm playing a NESSUS role -- pushing for growth, transformation, throwing some caution to the wind, acting obsessively. (Which is SO not me -- never in regards to these things -- no, no, no.)

But in the past, it seems very much like the shoe's on the other foot; in every recall, version, or bit of insight I've seen of this whole thing, it seems as if I was the run refusing to change and grow -- in a way entirely different, or opposed -- to his own hidebound refusal. (It's ... complicated.)

Simply stated, it seems as if I must've been exhibiting more of a DEJANIRA energy. But it didn't make sense -- until I saw the 'inter-system' conjunction of his NESSUS to my DEJANIRA.

Here's the thing, though. That's his current NESSUS. The Tropical NESSUS. And it's my past (Draco) DEJANIRA. It's my 'karmic' DEJANIRA, with his 'now' NESSUS.

It's also in my dr2H -- but his dr8H. I think that's a bit odd, given the conjunction of his DEJA to my NESSUS is in my 11H. In Draco, it's in 2H. (And, if you're taking the Draco-Tropical conjunction, it's in my 10H and his 7H.)

But, either way you slice it, whether it's his Tropical DEJA and my NESSUS, or his NESSUS and my Draco DEJANIRA -- it's in his 8H in BOTH systems. Huh ....