posted August 13, 2014 07:11 PM            

Could I please ask if the synastry below suggests that we could still stay friends after breaking up. It is too early to tell and I'm undecided. Could this get messy or make it impossible for either of us to move on? Do we have the right degree of emotional health?

Or could his Chiron on my DC make it difficult?

I am in blue.

Le composite

posted August 13, 2014 07:15 PM              

:c

posted August 13, 2014 07:53 PM            

To me it looks like he would have a hard time letting go.
Going in order from inner AC, looking at tight conjunctions:
Your AC being livened by his Sun would make you feel his absence greatly, in the physical sense, and I can certainly see why you would want to stay friends. He makes the world feel more alive to you. It's very similar for him.

But, and here we start with him, his Mars is on your Pluto, which is such a potent drug for a Mars, especially in a man's chart. It's very painful to let that go, once you get used to it. Not that you can't, of course, it just takes looking into some very deep issues to see what place that other person's Pluto has been filling in your life. There will be a void there when you let go - can you stand to see it? For an immature person, not really. And Pluto is not usually an energy comfortable restricting itself to friendship, especially not with a Mars asking for its attention.

His Neptune is on your Sun, this being such a personal thing for him(on AC, from Neptune's natural's house, 0Sco or 29Lib) he will miss your Sun illuminating that part of himself. Imo, he'll want you as a friend, and this link is not as romantic in nature, more one for really good friends, but other factors do also have a say...

Now this is the big one to me: his NN on your Venus. That would make it really, really hard to let go from the NN person, especially from a man's chart to a woman's chart. Unless it was really lived out already, and he's acting with security out of his NN most of the time, AND he's developed a strong Venus himself, or replaced it with someone else, it feels nigh impossible.

The Moons conjunct is a good one for staying friends. It'll be difficult to hurt the other one, and really hard to let them go out of your daily life. The romantic demand here is not so vital, and especially in AQU, so it speaks well of staying friends.

I'm not touching the asteroids much because I'm hardly an expert, but just on first look: Lilith on H8 cusp would say no(too difficult to forget about the sexual part of the relationship, and you know about the Lilith scorned reaction... not very mature.), Lust on DC also says no(you can hardly ignore that...), Alma on SN says yes (more of a tender aspect, not so big on revenge from my experience), Juno opposite Juno so-so, maybe more toward yes, Cupid-Psyche a pretty big no, or at least not if you really want to move on, and Valentine on IC is a yes, if you're not an overly romantic person yourself.

Apologies if some seems a bit derived-from-nowhere, I'm trying to fit a lot in to cover the question, so I'm working more with quick symbolism rather than a deeper psychology.

posted August 13, 2014 08:27 PM            

Thank you. Yes, I'm the inner person. There is so much that is hard to let go, although I can only speak for myself. We live many miles apart, don't meet often enough, and despite the great synastry, this relationship isn't going anywhere. The separation is driven mainly by practical reasons - there are others too. However, there is no acrimony between us. A complete break would be psycho torture. On the other hand, I need to resist the temptation to reconnect as before. That is like a slow death. The maturity needed here is for constancy.

Your interpretations with planets are very insightful and beautifully explained. A mixed picture, it seems. The Sun/Asc conjunctions, as you say, make each other come alive. My Sun is exact on his Asc - perhaps affecting him more deeply?

I like the quick round up of asteroids. Still not sure what Chiron on my DC means.

It is difficult to gauge if the NN/Venus job is done. Could NN/Venus be fulfilled in subtle ways?

Mars Pluto, however, seem to be a major hurdle. I hadn't envisaged that this might be equally or more difficult for him. He is not particularly expressive about his feelings - that is not his style. True, I would hate to see him get deeply hurt

posted August 14, 2014 11:03 AM            

In my opinion, Astro Keen, you can be together as a couple or not at all.

You have Chiron/DSC DW, this is not an easy aspect, initially, because each one's style of relating opens a wound in the other, a vulnerable spot. But if you can overcome this, you can heal each other in everything that means relating and being together with someone, juts by being together in a couple, you experience mutual healing. What is happening to Chiron in the composite? Can you post the composite?

Also, he has Moon conjunct Chiron, people with this aspect are very easily hurt, often suffer from depression.

You also have Venus/NN DW, it's hard to believe with this aspect that your relationship can be about anything but love.

EDIT: sorry, my head in the clouds, now I noticed the composite, I'll take a look "D

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posted August 14, 2014 12:23 PM            

So insightful, as always! You've drawn attention to some key things - the Chiron/DC and Venus/NN DWs. My Venus is also at his Sun/Moon mid pt. We had about 30 DWs at the last count! We could be so good together.

Yes, his style of relating when we're apart presents big challenges - I need to grow just to prevent this from mucking me up. When we're together, it's easy and joyous. Can't think how I might be touching a sore spot in him, though. Other than asking for a decision, which tells him that he is failing in some way.

You've also highlighted how his Chiron conj Moon makes him emotionally fragile - something he hides well, and could explain why he hesitates in taking emotional responsibility. I believe his Neptune in 12th on his Asc would also make him prone to depression. Yikes! Why do women have to do all the work .

posted August 14, 2014 03:29 PM            

Here cOSIRIS-SUN are exactly conjunct, in 1H, on the ASC. That's just not going away. Whatever it's soulful, clearly deeply transforming energy, it's at the core of the relationship -- its very identity.

posted August 14, 2014 03:40 PM            

I wonder if that means that we would stay connected, in whatever form that might take. But it could also prevent us from moving on, which is not so good.

posted August 14, 2014 04:17 PM            

Well, maybe I'm completely wrong with this but did you both meet somewhere in 2004 or early 2005? Or well, better said; the spark caught on then? Well, early 2005 you both had AMAZING progressions together;

- your pVenus trine his nVenus
- His pVenus conjunct your nVenus

^ applying within 1 deg both!

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OUTSTANDING;

At this current moment his pMars is EXACTLY conjunct your natal Mars (by 2 minutes applying!).

^ maybe not a coincidence your talk about 'friendship' now as I've seen a tight Mars/Mars conjunction lots of times in synastry with big friends.
It can arouse some impulsiveness now or competition OR physical attraction... which is even more pronounced because you (Astro keen) currently also have;

- Your pMars exactly conjunct your nVenus! (about 0'15 applying).

I think this all ^ is what makes you currently verrrry inclined to "jump" on him (in whatever form u know haha).

But don't worry, sooner than later it will all pass.. ^

There's als a pVenus/pVenus parallel applying which will be exact at the end of 2015.

The next outstanding and verrry binding progressed period will arise/start in aug. 2025;

- Your pVenus trine his pMars (by 2* appl.)

(this ^ is a great one for yearss)

- Your pVenus opp. his nSun
- Your pSun trine his nVenus

^ no gaps in between & spread over many years.

My conclusion right now?

posted August 14, 2014 05:13 PM            

Was hoping you would look in. I am now indeed blessed . Have had so much support and advice. Not surprisingly, it really helps to talk things through. One feels much more ready to brace the next challenge.

Re 2004/5 - no, our relationship is only 3 years old. Nothing was happening in those particular years, unless we were relating in another realm.

In fact, I belong in the ark. This present SM entered my life after a very long gap post a bad marriage. Perhaps I'm not being appreciative enough, but I do think I deserved more.

Now, will mull over the progressions you've listed:
Thank you for working these out. Good to know that this current chaotic state will pass. It is over thinking, wondering, despairing, and maybe even the other things you mention .

The close aspects you've listed are amazing! The end of 2015 sounds plausible, but 2025 - wow! Sounds like we may come together 10 years hence. Probably too spent to have issues.

If only I can navigate through the quagmire now. Very good advice at the end. Distractions would indeed help!

posted August 14, 2014 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
According to iQ, OSIRIS conjunct Sun in the composite is positive in terms of valuing each other as a Soul Mate and being loyal. An important theme for the relationship, in this instance.

I wonder if that means that we would stay connected, in whatever form that might take. But it could also prevent us from moving on, which is not so good.

I am also intrigued by Parvati on the MC, exactly square Sun - both at 24.35. Could be a divine feminine aspect linked to the masculine energy of Osiris, not unlike the Kaali/Rudra square.

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posted August 14, 2014 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Libran dream,

Thank you. Yes, I'm the inner person. There is so much that is hard to let go, although I can only speak for myself. We live many miles apart, don't meet often enough, and despite the great synastry, this relationship isn't going anywhere. The separation is driven mainly by practical reasons - there are others too. However, there is no acrimony between us. A complete break would be psycho torture. On the other hand, I need to resist the temptation to reconnect as before. That is like a slow death. The maturity needed here is for constancy.

Your interpretations with planets are very insightful and beautifully explained. A mixed picture, it seems. The Sun/Asc conjunctions, as you say, make each other come alive. My Sun is exact on his Asc - perhaps affecting him more deeply?

I like the quick round up of asteroids. Still not sure what Chiron on my DC means.

It is difficult to gauge if the NN/Venus job is done. Could NN/Venus be fulfilled in subtle ways?

Mars Pluto, however, seem to be a major hurdle. I hadn't envisaged that this might be equally or more difficult for him. He is not particularly expressive about his feelings - that is not his style. True, I would hate to see him get deeply hurt

Ugh! This just gets worse. We both need to immediately get attracted to other people or there's no way out.

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Venus/NN in Scorpio is all about subtle, until it isn't. Your natal Venus/Moon square will always feel insecure about this. (well, until you resolve it with yourself, you know)
You might always wonder about what you mean to him as a woman. This inner insecurity that you have - the Moon/Venus square - he gives a lifeline for that Venus to have meaning, to be important. You would be flattered by it, sometimes even tell your own instincts, that are telling you this isn't entirely right, to shut up a little and let you bask in the attention.

posted August 14, 2014 07:57 PM              

A specific question like this is supposed to be asked and answered in horary. x

posted August 14, 2014 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Glad to see you're happy with the contributions! I hope you figure this out.

Venus/NN in Scorpio is all about subtle, until it isn't. Your natal Venus/Moon square will always feel insecure about this. (well, until you resolve it with yourself, you know)
You might always wonder about what you mean to him as a woman. This inner insecurity that you have - the Moon/Venus square - he gives a lifeline for that Venus to have meaning, to be important. You would be flattered by it, sometimes even tell your own instincts, that are telling you this isn't entirely right, to shut up a little and let you bask in the attention.

My advice, which is so simple that it might seem patronizing, is: love yourself. Love yourself and you'll know what and who you truly do and do not want in your life.

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That is the crux of it all, and the lesson to be learnt with this relationship, I think. You are very wise.

posted August 15, 2014 04:08 AM            

I've only recently seen you on LL. Can you say a little about yourself, how long into astrology etc. Is this related to work? Your readings, as all good readings, appear intuitive. It amazes when certain planetary aspects, which must be common with so many, highlight supposedly unique and deeply held issues in a situation. The test of a good astrologer must surely be to select the defining ones.

@ Indigo, the Parvati thing was a long shot. Don't really know how it would differ from Osiris aspecting Isis. I reckon had Isis also been conjunct Osiris/Sun, that would have sealed the deal on this relationship. Whilst Parvati may be casting a more general influence. I forgot I have a few Vedic asteroids sitting on the cAsc. Parvati's son Ganesh, for example, and child Krishna (Balakrishnan). What's with all these kids there? Perhaps we have a young energy.

posted August 15, 2014 10:10 AM            

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Re 2004/5 - no, our relationship is only 3 years old

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Hi Astro keen,

I've now looked in the Helio dimension. Although not a deeply researched area yet, I really think they're about as relevant as Geo. So, Helio here;

3 Years ago - aug. 2011 - your pVenus was in an appl. trine to his natal Venus (0'20).
A very Sweet aspect but it pretty quickly reached its peak. After that your pVenus was on its way to make an opposition to his natal Mars (5* appl. at that moment).

Both Geo aspects I already mentioned in my last post (the pMars/nMars & your own pMars/nVenus) were at that time - aug '11 - both appl. by 2 deg.).

So after that pVenus/nVenus trine the strong ones left were the above mentioned 3 which only further appl. to its peak, WHICH is in fact at this current moment.

Namely, the Helio pVenus/nMars opposition (a verry strong attraction factor) is right-now applying by 0'19.

So how I see it, is that you both went through a pretty Mars-related period the last few years of which now the climax;

- your pMars conj. your nVenus
- his pMars conj. your nMars
- your pVenus opp. his nMars (Helio).

^ it will all start separating very soon.

A real nice one is coming up in Helio after that; your pEarth/Moon trine his nVenus (appl. by 3'45 right-now - it's appl. by 2* in less than 2 years).

posted August 15, 2014 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:

So how I see it, is that you both went through a pretty Mars-related period the last few years of which now the climax;

- your pMars conj. your nVenus
- his pMars conj. your nMars
- your pVenus opp. his nMars (Helio).

^ it will all start separating very soon.

A real nice one is coming up in Helio after that; your pEarth/Moon trine his nVenus (appl. by 3'45 right-now - it's appl. by 2* in less than 2 years).

See this one ^ on the level of a Sun/Vens trine. Great!

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This is intriguing, Mir. Could you please translate. The Mars related period if it is now at a climax seems odd at time of a separation. Or perhaps it will cool off now - 'separating very soon".

What should the nice Helio progression manifest as do you think? How long does this last? This sounds more as if we'll resolve our differences.

posted August 15, 2014 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
That is the crux of it all, and the lesson to be learnt with this relationship, I think. You are very wise.

Are you able to tell which is his weak spot? Or his achilles heel, so to speak? I suspect it may be facing issues related to the Pluto gap that you mentioned earlier. Something again that NN/Venus could help address. That would fulfil the mutual Chiron/DC healing promise.

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Libran dream,

I've only recently seen you on LL. Can you say a little about yourself, how long into astrology etc. Is this related to work? Your readings, as all good readings, appear intuitive. It amazes when certain planetary aspects, which must be common with so many, highlight supposedly unique and deeply held issues in a situation. The test of a good astrologer must surely be to select the defining ones.

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It's not work-related at this time, but I'd like it to be... Always wanted to retire at a peaceful place and write books on astrology in my old age.

posted August 15, 2014 11:58 AM            

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This is intriguing, Mir. Could you please translate. The Mars related period if it is now at a climax seems odd at time of a separation. Or perhaps it will cool off now - 'separating very soon"

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Well, first of all, the interpretation of its Helio-effect (pVenus/nMars in your case) is still in its infancy. As we all somehow assume is that Helio operates on a more inner level, in contrast to our geo materialistc level. But I'm not sure, yet.

Second, we have to distinguish the kind of aspects. There would be a difference between a trine and an opposition. An opposition would be more 'hot' than a trine, which might be too much to handle, especially without the company of a nice Venus-trine. Which is clearly missing currently.

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What should the nice Helio progression manifest as do you think?

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Well, at the very least, more peace-of-mind for both.

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How long does this last?

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The peak of this one will be mid 2018.

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This sounds more as if we'll resolve our differences.

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Yes, exactly. With or without words.

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posted August 15, 2014 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

Hm, his weak spot? If I had to guess, I would say intimacy issues. He's a public person, lives a lot of his life out there for people to see, probably quite involved with world issues, groups... But the most private area of his life, the mushy core, that time when he's exhausted and totally out of energy, that's something that seems like a point of hurt, even moreso than it usually is with people. So that seems like a point that is very guarded. Some can say that an AQU Moon is less emotional than others, but I don't subscribe to that. There are just more complicated layers around it, more complex inner struggles.
So it seems interesting that you have your DC on that spot, as it seems you'd be able to provide a sweet outlet for that energy, a comfort.

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Absolutely right about him being involved with world issues and working himself to exhaustion. I can hardly throw a tantrum in the face of that. His inner core - I suppose you refer to Chiron at his IC, is kept well hidden, and has experienced hurt by the looks of it.

I wonder if Moon at IC/Chiron could be pointing to hurt related to his mother. He lost his father in his teens and as the eldest child may had to bear heavy burdens. Or could the Moon simply be refering to a fragile and hurt emotional self? LeeLoo mentioned that Chiron at Moon people often suffer from depression. In his case that may be a disconnect from emotions.

Me and astrology: Ah, I am not an astrologer! have picked up a few things by trawling through LL. Just an admirer of the art. I grew up n a country where having predictive horoscopes cast is the norm, but never took any real interest apart from reading those little Linda Goodman books. More recently, it was this SM who kindled interest when he asked what my Asc was, which I didn't know .

posted August 15, 2014 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Absolutely right about him being involved with world issues and working himself to exhaustion. I can hardly throw a tantrum in the face of that. His inner core - I suppose you refer to Chiron at his IC, is kept well hidden, and has experienced hurt by the looks of it.

I wonder if Moon at IC/Chiron could be pointing to hurt related to his mother. He lost his father in his teens and as the eldest child may had to bear heavy burdens. Or could the Moon simply be refering to a fragile and hurt emotional self? LeeLoo mentioned that Chiron at Moon people often suffer from depression. In his case that may be a disconnect from emotions.

Me and astrology: Ah, I am not an astrologer! have picked up a few things by trawling through LL. Just an admirer of the art. I grew up n a country where having predictive horoscopes cast is the norm, but never took any real interest apart from reading those little Linda Goodman books. More recently, it was this SM who kindled interest when he asked what my Asc was, which I didn't know .

You seem to be a gifted astrologer and should do very well working as one. Besides think of the benefits that would yield for your explorations and knowledge growth.

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Maybe he saw his mother's suffering after his father died and concluded that that's what having emotions gets you in life. That would be my guess, from what you've shared.