posted August 14, 2014 06:09 PM            

What I'm considering now, is whether or not the Draco synastry continues to operate in the present? I can fully grok that it's a snapshot of karmic issues, debts, and contracts -- a vestigial piece of what was. But is there some element of it that's functioning as an undercurrent of the Tropical synastry? Almost like a karmic subliminal tape playing in the present background?

I could give several examples, but let's keep it general to start.

posted August 15, 2014 04:24 AM            

It is karmic only in that regard that it shows what of the karma is still significant for your current path.

Besides Karma isn`t just satisfying past life curiosity. No matter if you believe in past or parallel lives, Karma is the stuff you are working on in this life very much.
That which has already been dealt with will not come up in your chart.

posted August 15, 2014 04:30 AM            

Sun-Moon-Earth

They are really a reflection of how these relate to each other, and so is the Draconic.

For practical terms it suffices to think of them as a deeper soul-layer bubblin up to the surface if you have alignments with the tropical.

And yes, what is going on underneath can be different than tropically.

posted August 15, 2014 06:15 AM            

In the tropical synastry Pluto is not that strong, though his Pluto is square my Sun/Moon-mp, Vertex and Eros, and squares my Saturn at 4 degrees. Oh and conjuncts my SAPPHO (plus DNA-MUSA) exactly.
Opposes my Chiron by 1 degree.

My Pluto on the other hand is a little "underemployed", just an exact sextile to his Mercury.

and a quinkunx to his EROS and Chiron

(my Pluto is the Apex of A yod with his natal EROS-Chiron-sextile, and thus sitting ON the Eros/Chiron-mp for him with just 5 minutes of orb, so maybe my Pluto is not that harmless after all, as it would look like if you just consider the major aspects to planets. lol)

Also, my Pluto is quindecile his ASC by 2 minutes of arc.
his Pluto is quindecile my IC (1°22)

Speaking of declinations.

natally my Pluto is contraparallel my Moon (0°35), Uranus (0°13) and widely to my SAPPHO (1.10) and JUNO (1°18) - I wouldn´t actually count the latter ones too much, however JUNO is most certainly parallel Moon-

In his own natal Pluto is contraparallel AMOR (0.28).

synastrically

my Pluto parallel his NN 0.41
my Pluto parallel his true BML 0.09
my Pluto contraparallel his PRIAPUS 0.32
my Pluto contraprallel his SAPPHO 0.38

his Pluto loosely very loosely
contraparallel my Jupiter 1.06
contraparallel my Chiron 1.11
contraparallel my true BML 0.15
contraparallel my natural Lilith 0.01

I never even noticed the link between Pluto and BML/Priapus before. lol
I always forget checking the parallels.

Anyway summarizing the Pluto synastry
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my Pluto in his 7th house:
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sextile his Mercury, r7, r3, r4,(0°17)
quinkunx his EROS (0°45)
quinkunx his CHIRON (0°30)

his Pluto in my 10th house:
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(yes we both have Pluto - NATALLY- placed in cardinal houses, though in my case it is conjunct the cusp, in his case it is brooding away from the interception in his 7th house)

square my Sun/Moon-mp (0°16)
square my Vertex (0°05)
opposite my CHIRON (1°21)
square my EROS (0°24)
conjunct my SAPPHO (0°43)

Oh I just noticed our respective Pluto completes an aspect figure with Eros and Chiron for both of us.

For him the Yod, for me the T-square or Grand Cross (depending if we count his Venus at 25 Cap and my Destinn at 23 Cancer, as pulling closer to the 21 cardinal area).

Additionally

his Pluto conjuncts my DNA (1°03) and sextile my PROSERPINA (0°21)
my Pluto trine his PROSERPINA (1°41)
and my PROSERPINA conjunct his DNA (0°08)

Which ties into the SPIRIT - ATLANTIS- ATROPOS scenario as well.

But anyway,

the more "obscure" aspectual relations would be (not sure how strongly to weigh them that is why I call them obscure):

my Pluto
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quindecile his ASC
parallel his NN-true BML (NN-conj.BML too)
contraparallel his PRIAPUS and SAPPHO (not conj.)

his Pluto
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quindecile my IC
contraparallel my Jupiter
contraparallel my Chiron (not conj. but on the loose antiscion of each other in my natal: 1°14)

contraparallel my true BML and natural LILITH

posted August 15, 2014 06:59 AM            

For example (I love giving examples ), my tropical Pisces stellium is a Cancer stellium in Draconic. Me trying to objectively examine it, I immediately rejected it and claimed "there's nothing Cancer about me". I realized how much I misunderstood Draconic. There's so much about what I do or am expected to do that is Cancer that I absolutely reject. I find myself "the mother" in my family although I'm the youngest child (20 years old). My entire family seeks me for emotional nurturing, they always desire my love and affection, they always expect me to take care of them and give them massages and feel if their sick or whatever. When I reject that role, all hell breaks loose. I am often expected to portray this role and it fits in perfectly with my Tropical chart because my SN is in the 4th house. The family would completely fall apart without me and as they all say, I am the glue that keeps the family together. If I reject this role altogether for good, I will not only have failed an essential part of my Karmic calling, I'd have destroyed my family in the process. The effects are in the here and now, ongoing and extremely powerful. And to cement my point: I am the only person in my family who doesn't have a water moon. My parents are water Suns and Moons... My brothers are fire suns and water moons. My dad and eldest have moon in Scorpio while my mother and elder have moon in Cancer. My Gem moon is severely overwhelmed by them LOL.

A synastry example:
This guy I've had quite the history with has Tropical Moon in Libra sq Uranus and Neptune and mine's in Gem. His Draconic Moon is in Pisces less than 1° in conjunction to my Tropical Venus while mine is in Libra conjunct his Tropical moon. I always tell him, I know you are so kind and sweet and compassionate deep down (he acts otherwise but I don't fully buy it). He struggles expressing it to me especially when I bring it up to him in my casual curious Gem moon matter although on a day to day basis our temperaments align. But when he's around me physically, when the connection is unspoken and my Venus is playing out... He, instinctively and unknowingly, becomes so emotionally tender and sweet. So loving and caring and his temperament is different, a true Pisces moon. His Draconic Sun and Mercury also fills my totally empty Taurus 4th house. And he always felt like family to me. Like I've known him for oceans of time.

There are many more Draco-Tropical examples of synastry that I've noticed/experienced but I worry I will never shut up if I go on hahaha! I just think that Tropical aspects to Draconic in synastry bring out the deeply soulful energy that remains unacknowledged or buried deep within us, for karmic fulfillment and for the sake of realizing this other self within us that needs to be integrated with our "Tropical" personality.

posted August 15, 2014 07:09 AM            

First of all, both our Draco Plutos fall into the 2nd house natally.
This might be of significance.
Through synastric overlay his Draco Pluto falls into my 5th house (just one and a half degree before the 6th house cusp though); my Draco Pluto falls into his 11th house.

Both Draco Plutos end up in earth signs (mine in Capricorn, his in Taurus - which already alerts us to pay attention to Saturn and Venus, as those are dispositing the Draco Plutos, and of course Venus and Saturn ARE of concern in our natal charts).

It also reminds us - once again- that the succedent cross bears considerable dynamic tension in both natals, and of course the succedent cross -tropically- is ruled by Saturn, Moon, Venus, Pluto (for me - order: 2nd-8th; 5th-11th) and by Venus, Pluto, Moon-Saturn for him).

That alone shows that we MUST pay attention to any interconnections between Moon,Saturn, Venus, Pluto - it is already mirrored through the natal rulerships.

Well those planets on their own would not necessarily point to any kind of tension,

but in my chart:
Moon quinkunx Saturn with Saturn retrograde and Moon peregrine; plus Moon parallel Uranus and contraparallel Pluto (r8, r2, r11).

Venus square Pluto with Pluto on the MC (r5,r11 - and additionally involving the mutable cross as well, through doubled houses; it also without a doubt brings parental/ family issues to the foreground, the ruler of 11th house right on the parental axis, squaring the MC-rulr itself as well as 5th house ruler - there are certainly issues there, btw the Saturn retrograde plus the ruler of IC conjunct Neptune plus Neptune RIGHT on the nodal axis and Jupiter squaring the nodal axis and the emphasis on the lower hemisphere are just further strikes to that. And yes, my Mom runs the show. always has done. lol)

But anyway, and for him the tension natally is there, too.

Moon on the MC (!) square Saturn on the DESC (!)plus his Moon is ALSO parallel Uranus, just like mine. (Moon ruling 5th, Saturn ruling 11th).
So here we see the ruler of 5th house ending up on MC, squaring a strong Saturn as 11th house ruler. For me it was the ruler of 11th house landing on MC, squaring the 5th house ruler (though in my case it was Pluto-Venus).

So yeah, we sharing even the parental issues I suppose.

Also Venus square Pluto, with Venus in 11th house and pluto in 7th house; Venus ruling 2nd and 7th house, and Pluto ruling 8th.

So both of us natally have this tension involving the succedent cross, which spills over and manifests through tenacy to the cardinal cross. I was tempted to say, especially the parental axis, but that is not quite true, is it? The relationship axis seems to be there, too.

For me it is:
Pluto, r 11, in 10th (conjunct MC)
Venus, r 5 in 1st

(Moon and Saturn brood away, exchanging energy or running in circles on the 2nd-8th axis. Actually i suppose they would NEED something to bring them to the cardinal cross, so they find a more effective outlet!

For him it is:

Moon, r5, in 10th (conj. MC)
Saturn, r11, in 7th (conj. DESC)

Venus, r2 and r7, in 11th
Pluto, r8, in 7th

At least he has some form of outlet for the 2nd-8th-pattern, though in his case, too, it probably needs to be strengthened or brought forward by external factors - transits, synastry etc.- as that Pluto is in the intercepted Libra in 7th house, noone would eally ever think of him as Plutonian I suppose.

I think it is important to keep that in mind to gain an understanding of the Draco synastry.

posted August 15, 2014 07:38 AM            

Well not really NOTHING, but compared to what MY Pluto is doing it is nothing.

his Draco Pluto
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squares my Draco Uranus
opposes my Draco PRIAPUS

- this is certainly SOMETHING, especially with my Draco Priapus falling into his tropical 8th house (and tropical Priapus is in MY 8th house), right on his tropical VALENTINE and loosely conj. his tropical Uranus, and of course falling on top of our Odysseus-Penelope-conjunction. lol (no I am so not going to wait 20 years. Forget it! )

But this is pretty much "IT"

No aspects to my tropical chart (conj. and opp. I mean)

as for his tropical Pluto

it is sort of opposite my Draco Venus, BUT it is at VERY loose orb (4-5 degrees). I do just count it cause his tropical Pluto is conjunct his Draco ASC, and my Draco Venus is conjunct his Draco DESC, dRaco Vertex and Draco Saturn . Plus Venus-Pluto-Saturn, remember the natals? Always needing attention, especially if being made angular like here.

But still, yes, a little pluto, but as for MY Pluto?

It certainly dominates our DRaconic synastry:

my Draconic Pluto in Capricorn

opposies his Draco Sun (3), Draco Moon (1) in Cancer (see on which axis it falls? Capricorn-Cancer; Saturn-Moon)
conjuncts his Draco IC (2)

just for fun
squares his Dr Vertex (2)
trines his Dr Priapus exact
squares his Dr Saturn (3)

I ONLY mentioned those squares, because, well they are 4th harmonic, but also because there is already a conjunction/opposition, and it shows that it docks onto an existing natal aspect in his chart (the square of Saturn to Sun and Moon and MC).

In fact, two natal complexes overlay each other here, as I have a natal Venus-Pluto-square, so

my Draco Pluto, Dr MC opposing his dr Sun, Dr Moon, MC
my Draco Venus conjuncts his Dr Saturn, Dr DESC, Dr Vertex

Remember what Pluto, Venus ruled for me and Moon,saturn, for him?
Yes, same emphasis on the 5th-11th house AGAIN, supported and made more acute on the Draconic level.

my 11th house ruler opposing his 5th house ruler (and falling onto his IC -draconically)
my 5th house ruler conjunct his 11th house ruler (falling onto his DESC - draconically)

Now to make matters even more complex

my Draco Pluto conjunct his tropical Venus by 3 degrees and opposes his tropical Juno by one degree.

What that means is that under the surface of his tropical Venus-Juno-opposition his draconic Sun/Moon/MC-Saturn is bubbling away- and my Draconic Pluto (and to some degree Draconic Venus) dock onto that as well.

His tropical Pluto is a little out of orb for that though, 21 Libra, and the main action happens at around 25-28 cardinal. lol

It also means though that his tropical Venus, ruler of 2nd and 7th house in 11th house for him, falls into MY natal 2nd house and activates my Draconic Pluto, ruler of MY 11th and 12th house.

Also interestingly his Draconic Sun, Moon, MC fall into his tropical 5th house and my tropical 8th house.
So you can say the succedent cross is overemphasized through all our synstry.

as for my tropical Pluto:

opposes his Draco Mars exact
opposes his Draco Jupiter exact
opposies his Dr Amor by one degree
and conjuncts his Dr Eros by 2 degrees
placing his Dr Eros right on his tropical DESTINN, close to his tropical KARMA and right on my tropical MC as well.

Here the parallels were interesting, too.

my tropical Pluto

pareallel his Draco Venus 0.02
parallel his Dr saturn 0.05
(and again. Venus-Saturn!)
parallel his Dr Karma 0.02
and paralel his Dr Sappho widely 0.52

You see what I mean about my Pluto dominating the Draco chart?

Also my Draconic pluto is squaring (widely) his Draconic Saturn, while tropically it is his Pluto squaring my saturn (also widely)

Of course all rulers of the succedent cross. lol

Question is what does it mean?
WHY target my Pluto so much?

For that i believe I have to go back to the natal, and there I see, as I mentioned,

Pluto, ruler of 11th house, on the MC
(squaring 5th house ruler Venus), but that Pluto on the MC, did not really make sense to me in my chart. I never ever wanted to have such a prominent position, though I notice that people are discreetly (or not so discretely) trying to push or move me into a authority or power position.
Maybe what it really does here in this comparision is paying attention to it, that I do stick out in fact, (though of course as we are talking about Pluto, not in the bright cheerful way), and what it could also mean is empowerment.

Oh and of course having to solve the issues surrounding expressing of love/ affection, responsiveness and feelings of loveability, - this is more emphasized for me as Venus-Pluto rule the 5th-11th axis, instead of 2nd-8th- and of course my perspective on authorities (my own or other people), and of course brings up also the parental concerns. I think my MC is very closely linked to my Mom, rather than my Dad. Cause she was the dominant figure in education (he was more like a supportive friend) plus she is a scorpio, which fits the pluto-symbolism on my MC.

my IC is in Aries, with Mars conjunct Neptune in SAg - and that seems more echoing with my DAd, who also has a Mars-Neptune-conjunction, though it is hard to say, as it is all very much emmeshed (he also has a Venus-Pluto-opposition and Moon in 8th house, but I experienced him not in a plutonic way; my mom, yes, dominating through caring).

posted August 15, 2014 11:59 AM            

So, THIS is why I started thinking about Draco-Tropical.

Both excerpts from my Tisiphone thread:

'His DEJANIRA is conjunct my NESSUS, exactly, at 23° Cancer. While I've definitely had my work cut out for me in terms of pushing for a transformation, the feeling of it in karmic terms seems almost tragic. There's this intuitive sense that we suffered from an irreconcilable impasse regarding principles and life values. But seeing my NESSUS exactly conjunct his DEJANIRA in his 8H really had me furrowing my brow. It didn't jive. Now, I get it; I'm a very transformative person, and I've had to (obsessively at times) push him to do so. (His VERTEX is there, so, thankfully he is.)

It's heavily configured, too: it's square our Aries (MOON, NYMPHE, EROS, PRIAPUS, BML) and Libra (SUN, PLUTO, BML, MARS, LILITH) points, and opposite my one Capricorn point (ALICE) and conjunct the other Cancer points (MERCURY, NYMPHE).

Sexuality, sexual freedom, and antisocial / unorthodox themes are undoubtedly playing a role, too, since it's involving the above with emphasis in our 5H/8H overlay.

But the fact it's his DEJA just gets me. I can see my pushing him to act -- almost as a really, really unwise test. (MORIARTY-VENUS, maybe?) I also get the distinctive sense I overestimated either my powers of persuasion, or underestimated his adherence to his principles (the TISIPHONE-HADES).'

But then I saw THIS yesterday ...

'His nNESSUS is 10º GEM, which squares my ASC (0º) and VENUS (2º). But my drDEJANIRA is 12º GEM.

So his Tropical NESSUS is conjunct my Draco DEJANIRA, 2º.

I find this curious, and potentially relevant, due to the Tropical DEJANIRA-NESSUS conjunction which is configured into, more or less, 'The Tisiphonic Configuration' -- even though it pulls in several points of our natals. It's a heavy pattern.

Now, I can see how I'm playing a NESSUS role -- pushing for growth, transformation, throwing some caution to the wind, acting obsessively. (Which is SO not me -- never in regards to these things -- no, no, no.)

But in the past, it seems very much like the shoe's on the other foot; in every recall, version, or bit of insight I've seen of this whole thing, it seems as if I was the run refusing to change and grow -- in a way entirely different, or opposed -- to his own hidebound refusal. (It's ... complicated.)

Simply stated, it seems as if I must've been exhibiting more of a DEJANIRA energy.

Here's the thing, though. That's his current NESSUS. The Tropical NESSUS. And it's my past (Draco) DEJANIRA. It's my 'karmic' DEJANIRA, with his 'now' NESSUS.

... And, either way you slice it, whether it's his Tropical DEJA and my NESSUS, or his NESSUS and my Draco DEJANIRA -- it's in his 8H in BOTH systems. Huh .... '

So, now you see why I've been delving into this. The NOW NESSUS/DEJA makes sense to me -- in Cancer, a part of my 'transformational personality' pattern. But in the past? No way. HE was the NESSUS one. I was oddly sure of it.

posted August 15, 2014 12:07 PM            

Remember how our drSUNS are conjunct 2º? (I still don't get how 8º CAN and 19º LIB suddenly become 1º and 3º GEM, but, hey.)

There's more. Our drDEJAs are ALMOST conjunct -- 5º. His is -- wait for it -- conjunct nMADHATTER-VALENTINE and ANTEROS, 1º!

Interestingly, my drDEJA (which is ALMOST on his nMADHATTER-VALENTINE) is conjunct my drMERC/PLUTO.

Did I mention my drASC is his nMOON? Exactly? 22º Aries. That's becoming a more prominent degree in everything.

Anyhow, I thought that was interesting. How our drSUNS are both in GEM, along with our drDEJAs both going to GEM, too -- even if it's too far to conjunct.

In, of course, the same sign as his nNESSUS and nMADHATTER-VALENTINE.

posted August 15, 2014 05:35 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
(I still don't get how 8º CAN and 19º LIB suddenly become 1º and 3º GEM, but, hey.)

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posted August 15, 2014 05:41 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Because of different degrees of your respective north nodes.

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But we're 13 years apart!

posted August 15, 2014 06:09 PM            

Draco DEJA conjunct Tropical NESSUS.

posted August 15, 2014 06:15 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
But we're 13 years apart!

You gotta admit that's KINDA WEIRD. Right? Or is it just me? It seems a bit uncanny.

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Yes that is why you have different North Nodes, and that is why new aspects can form in Draco-Draco-synastry.

Neverless it IS significant, that your tropical planets AND north nodes are exactly the needed amount apart from each other to end up like that.

Just like in Mr Sag`s and my case, our North Nodes are 99° apart, and his Saturn and my Venus are 100° apart, and therefore this results in a 1 degree conjunction of his SAturn and my Venus in Draconic chart.

posted August 15, 2014 06:27 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
In all seriousness, though.

Draco DEJA conjunct Tropical NESSUS.

What're you thoughts on it?

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Well interstingly my DRaco Dejanira is on 20 Cancer. lol
conjunct his tropical Nessus on 18 Cancer.

his 5th/ my 8th house - I feel like a broken record. lol

(oh and of course falling onto my tropical Sun/Moon-mp, Vertex on 21 Cancer, saturn on 17 Cancer and so on).

I don´t believe that "karmic" euqals "then, but not now" - for me it is if at all "then leading/ resulting in now".
Your Draco Dejanira is VERY MUCH Now, just maybe stemming from a Then, a Then that has not yet been worked on enough, or simply a deeper part of yourself.

There is a deep vulnerability in you that you will have to face. Through him. Through his obsessiveness maybe.

I would always advise to trace back the symbol to the tropical chart. Waht is your tropical Dejanira doing? Get to know her! Where is she most open and vulnerable? Where is she trusting and naive to a degree, that it might result in others taking advantage of her?

(Let us not forget for a minute, that Herakles did treat her as a trophy as well, a posession, he had to have to appease his sexual hunger. His methods were different to Nessus, yes, but he was not a nice guy by any means either. Not a saint, though not as primal as Nessus. he succumbed to society`s rules, at least to a certain degree, while Nessus did... not. at all. But that really was all the difference. And yes he protected her from Nessus. But what did he protect? The woman he loved or his posession? Sorry I am in a bit of a lilithian mood today )

In my case she is on 00 Aries in 3rd house. This is significant. on 00 ARies, beginning of a new cycle.

It is almost funny that it means she is conjunct his Antivertex on 28 Pisces, tropically, while his Nessus conjuncts my Vertex widely (18 Cancer- 21 Cancer)

posted August 15, 2014 06:50 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
But we're 13 years apart!

You gotta admit that's KINDA WEIRD. Right? Or is it just me? It seems a bit uncanny.

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That's how draconic charts work in comparison. My Sun is wherever, goes to place X due to my NN being at spot Y. His Moon is wherever it is likewise, entirely separately, and his NN makes the draconic moon "jump" to some other place in his chart since his NN is whatever it is. Then compare the new draconic charts and all of a sudden there are entirely new things at work or play there.

My Sun is 28 Leo, draconic spot 2 Capricorn since my NN is 26 Scorpio (so about 4 signs and 4 degrees ahead to get to 0 Aries from there). Someone else's Sun is at 16 Cancer and their NN toward the end of 14 Aquarius (so rounding up to a sign and 15 degrees ahead for easy to spot in the mind draco degrees), so low and behold their draconic Sun suddenly being around 1 Virgo to trine my Sun on the draconic level.

posted August 15, 2014 07:39 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well interstingly my DRaco Dejanira is on 20 Cancer. lol
conjunct his tropical Nessus on 18 Cancer.

his 5th/ my 8th house - I feel like a broken record. lol

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posted August 15, 2014 10:03 PM            

And, Ceri, I'm 'in a Lilithian mood' every day!

I'm going to ruminate on the themes you've given me. They DO resonate.

My Tropical DEJA has issues. Parallel my SUN and DSC, (oh, how embarrassing ... ) and in 0° SCO, on my True BML. 0°, if I recall.

posted August 16, 2014 05:54 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yeah, it's clearly meaningful that it does that, Keela. No doubt.

And, Ceri, I'm 'in a Lilithian mood' every day!

I'm going to ruminate on the themes you've given me. They DO resonate.

My Tropical DEJA has issues. Parallel my SUN and DSC, (oh, how embarrassing ... ) and in 0° SCO, on my True BML. 0°, if I recall.

So, DEJA on T-BML. I'm still not sure how to make sense of that. I've been thinking on it.

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Now that you mention it. My Deja is parallel my true and natural BML (0°24 and 0°09)
(contraparallel his Pluto).

I find it interesting that my Nessus is in Gemini (7th house), my Deja is in 3rd house (Aries) and my natural BML is conjunct my 3rd house cusp by 1 degree and of course true BML is also in 3rd house (Aquarius).

Definitely pointing at a 3rd house/ Gemini/ Mercury emphasis.
I am probably vulnerable to being victimized in areas of communication, which might be the very reason I overreact to any kind of perceived manipulation of my thoughts and can get kinda revengeful and wrathful in the attempts to assert my individual stance in terms of my mental processes and thoughts (BML in Aquarius in 3rd house - and Dejanira, let´s not forget she tried to manipulate Hercules into staying with her, using witchcraft, which naturally backfired, but she was ready to sort of manipulate and deceive him to get her wish, doing it from a place of insecurity).

The Draco Deja in Cancer and 8th house probably shows just how deep it runs, and how emotional those communication-issues might be experienced (I suspect it all started with my Mom, too. and funny enough we have a Nessus-Moon-square DW in our synastry, with her Moon in Virgo and my Moon in Aquarius - very cerebral Moons).

my draco Moon and all Draco Liliths (except the asteroid) are in Gemini as well, hammering that communication-theme in.

Interestingly my Draco CERES on the last degree of Gemini is conjunct my tropical Nessus by 1 degree, bringing the maternal symbol into the picture as well.
Luckily my Draco Jupiter on 1 Cancer is conjunct it as well, or maybe not so luckily. lol

Also in some cases we might experience astrological symbols through projection. So, you might experience Nessus-posessiveness through somebody who embodies your Nessus for you. Maybe someone who has Sun or ASC conjunct your Nessus. sometimes we do project the unwanted energy onto someone else, externalize it, and only after taking back this projection we can see our own taking part in this.

posted August 16, 2014 06:45 AM            

24th of july they came very close to square agin, but before becoming precise, Deja started to move forwards and away from Nessus (orb of the incomplete square was 0°21).

Deja on 00 Sag
Nessus on 00 Pisces (r)

On 25th december 2015 they will meet up again for the conjunction on 00 Pisces .

Anyway, this reminded me of the chart of a very good friend of mine.