posted August 22, 2014 05:30 PM            

Here's the composite

posted August 22, 2014 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
What are the orbs? Could be VERY intense and deal with issues of female independence, vulnerability, and what's considered equal and fair in a relationship.

Sex could also be exchange, rather than communal based.

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Juno and Pluto exact. Lilith 4 degrees away

posted August 22, 2014 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
What are the orbs? Could be VERY intense and deal with issues of female independence, vulnerability, and what's considered equal and fair in a relationship.

Sex could also be exchange, rather than communal based.

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What do you mean "sex could be exchanged instead of communal based"?

posted August 22, 2014 05:54 PM            

Well, PLUTO-JUNO seems to me like an undercurrent of an exchange-based sexual relationship. It's not unconditional, (not that much ever truly is) but rather rooted in what's fair or equal. And that can be a matter of perspective. It's, as my husband calls it, 'someone's got a scorecard and is always checking it off.'

posted August 22, 2014 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
PLUTO is conjunct JUNO about 1°15. Whereas BML is pretty far out there -- and not on the DSC -- 4°30-5°00. So, it's really not an issue.

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posted August 22, 2014 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Don't worry about BML. It's not a part of it.

Well, PLUTO-JUNO seems to me like an undercurrent of an exchange-based sexual relationship. It's not unconditional, (not that much ever truly is) but rather rooted in what's fair or equal. And that can be a matter of perspective. It's, as my husband calls it, 'someone's got a scorecard and is always checking it off.'

Or, it can be the relationship itself has a scorecard which is surfacing in the form of power struggles. PLUTO does tend to lend itself to sexual expression of some form, however, so that's the most likely battlefield.

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So basically sex is more of a "duty"?

posted August 22, 2014 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
But isn't it still conjunct?

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At 4°30? Not in my book. I don't consider wider than 2° for asteroids and hypothetical / mathematical points. I COUNT them, but the orbs must be tight.

posted August 22, 2014 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
At 4°30? Not in my book. I don't consider wider than 2° for asteroids and hypothetical / mathematical points. I COUNT them, but the orbs must be tight.

You may have BML hanging out there as a vestigial sense of something, though she isn't very involved. I think her being 2° -ish from the cSUN in 1H is significant. In which case, you would be contending with / being confronted by / experiencing Lilithian issues in yourself or your partner.

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posted August 22, 2014 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
So basically sex is more of a "duty"?

Lets not forget we also have Venus in the 12th (exalted) and Sun in the 1st (exalted)

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Yeah, I saw. :/ That's a rough spot. And with an afflicted SUN -- there's a lot that's about the balance of power in this. Who gets it, why, and how.

posted August 22, 2014 06:06 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Oh I see. Different people have different sayings about orbs so I don't know. I've felt a lot of wide orbs before. Even some just as pronounced as close orbs

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See, I'm pretty giving on my orbs. I totally feel a PLUTO conjunct VENUS that's 9°. But expanding orbs to include hypothetical points beyond what I normally use often sends me down the wrong path.

posted August 22, 2014 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yeah, I saw. :/ That's a rough spot. And with an afflicted SUN -- there's a lot that's about the balance of power in this. Who gets it, why, and how.

I wouldn't say sex is a duty; I'd say that there's score-keeping: 'I give you this, because you gave me that.' Turn-based. Exchange-based, is the technical term.

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posted August 22, 2014 06:13 PM            

Okay, a note of caution about 12H cVENUS.

It's not that it's intrinsically bad -- nothing REALLY is in the Linda school. It's that most can't handle it. It's love and relating under the microscope. This is your relationship's affection centre, and it's locked away in a basement. All you can do is dig. And, man, to get to the love, you gotta confront ALL that crap -- ALL your dirty laundry, combined BS, childhood traumas, adult issues --- it's like group therapy for two.

posted August 22, 2014 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Lol so who's keeping scores? -____- lol

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Probably both.

posted August 22, 2014 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yes. Karmic and to teach you certain things about power. With BML as part of the stellium, it would be about sexuality, but I don't think it is. I think the opposition to cSUN is the ticket.

Okay, a note of caution about 12H cVENUS.

It's not that it's intrinsically bad -- nothing REALLY is in the Linda school. It's that most can't handle it. It's love and relating under the microscope. This is your relationship's affection centre, and it's locked away in a basement. All you can do is dig. And, man, to get to the love, you gotta confront ALL that crap -- ALL your dirty laundry, combined BS, childhood traumas, adult issues --- it's like group therapy for two.

But, hey, sometimes it's really worth it. I'm finding it is with my husband -- after 8 years. Yes. 8 years. Of constant, unrelenting, OH MY GOD CAN I TAKE ANOTHER DAY? But if you stick with it, you might be surprised. I certainly have been.

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Venus in the 12th is a big deal. Any exalted placement is a big deal. I believe in soulmates, in terms of people I know both male and female. Venus in the 12 teaches unconditional love, but never in a superficial way. That's why it's so powerful. Probably the most powerful. I've had moon, and other planets in the 12th but Venus was always more of a bang.

I don't see any power issues. Honestly, that person has always been hurt by me. But it's never intentional because I truly care for that person. It's just another harsh lesson, then we end up reuniting again (surprisingly during a vertex transit). Pride and ego is definitely something that takes a backseat when it comes to this person.

As for the lonely moon. It kind of emphasizes the emotions in the relationship more (especially with this one being with the SN and IC). I've noticed that with my other relationships with unaspected planets as well.

posted August 22, 2014 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Probably both.

But, hey. That's the lesson!

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posted August 22, 2014 07:18 PM            

Outside of that? Nada.

We're the most polite, gentle, cheerful people with each other. Nobody plays games. We're honest, and surprisingly devoted. He's never put me down or really even said an unkind word to wound. For all his aloof personality and emotional distance, he's warm and affectionate with me. We genuinely love each other -- as, you know, close friends do.

It wasn't until the rage he keeps so deeply submerged began getting sublimated in sex that I even realised the depths that were really being plumbed. The power issues are there -- but we're evolved and occasionally utilise our natural psychosexual dynamics as an outlet for them.

I'd say our whole relationship has a soft Neptunian vibe. Gentle, artistic, creative, compassionate.

It honestly wasn't until I had a fantastic analysis offered by libran_dream which blew me away. His whole chart is one big fustercluck of sexual dynamics -- repression, rage, and the constant need for control.

And guess who's chart overlays just in the right way to act as a trigger? Oh, yes. The essence of my natal downright flips the switch.

I don't think it's that I couldn't see it; it's more that I KNOW him. This objective perspective was SO illuminating. Like someone turned on the light and I saw it all clearly for the first time.

I shared it with my husband, and he just laughed. 'This surprises you?' Oh, yeah, I see the torrent just beneath the surface of his saccharine façade. I see the dark waters that rage -- those depths so many fathoms below. But it's different. It's almost as if I made myself forget it. Almost as if, 'well, it's all just potential.'

Two days after the amazing reading, the 'stars aligned' in such a fashion to where I SAW it. He SHOWED it to me. I was SO taken aback -- my husband helped me regain my footing. It's as if we can disregard something until we HAVE to confront it.

PLUTO-JUNO in 7H can, I'm sure, take many forms. Fated committed partnership, for example.

But she reminded me that sometimes a cigar REALLY IS a cigar. Even if we can convince ourselves otherwise. But it's best to be prepared.

posted August 22, 2014 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I completely get you on the 'but I don't see any of that,' in regards to the power dynamics. I actually have some VERY heavy hitters in a synastry -- MARS conjunct PLUTO (0°) URANUS square VENUS (0°), PRIAPUS conjunct BML (0°), MOON opposite PLUTO (0°), and there's maybe been one major dramatic display in 4 years. We're discovering, however, this is kind of a Pandora's box that gets opened intimately. Specifically, triggered during sex.

Outside of that? Nada.

We're the most polite, gentle, cheerful people with each other. Nobody plays games. We're honest, and surprisingly devoted. He's never put me down or really even said an unkind word to wound. For all his aloof personality and emotional distance, he's warm and affectionate with me. We genuinely love each other -- as, you know, close friends do.

It wasn't until the rage he keeps so deeply submerged began getting sublimated in sex that I even realised the depths that were really being plumbed. The power issues are there -- but we're evolved and occasionally utilise our natural psychosexual dynamics as an outlet for them.

I'd say our whole relationship has a soft Neptunian vibe. Gentle, artistic, creative, compassionate.

It honestly wasn't until I had a fantastic analysis offered by libran_dream which blew me away. His whole chart is one big fustercluck of sexual dynamics -- repression, rage, and the constant need for control.

And guess who's chart overlays just in the right way to act as a trigger? Oh, yes. The essence of my natal downright flips the switch.

I don't think it's that I couldn't see it; it's more that I KNOW him. This objective perspective was SO illuminating. Like someone turned on the light and I saw it all clearly for the first time.

I shared it with my husband, and he just laughed. 'This surprises you?' Oh, yeah, I see the torrent just beneath the surface of his saccharine façade. I see the dark waters that rage -- those depths so many fathoms below. But it's different. It's almost as if I made myself forget it. Almost as if, 'well, it's all just potential.'

Two days after the amazing reading, the 'stars aligned' in such a fashion to where I SAW it. He SHOWED it to me. I was SO taken aback -- my husband helped me regain my footing. It's as if we can disregard something until we HAVE to confront it.

PLUTO-JUNO in 7H can, I'm sure, take many forms. Fated committed partnership, for example.

But she reminded me that sometimes a cigar REALLY IS a cigar. Even if we can convince ourselves otherwise. But it's best to be prepared.

PLUTO is about power. Usually at the base of our being. Any composite in which it's strongly featured WILL have power dynamics featuring in some capacity. It's going on somewhere. The trick is to know where.

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posted August 22, 2014 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I completely get you on the 'but I don't see any of that,' in regards to the power dynamics. I actually have some VERY heavy hitters in a synastry -- MARS conjunct PLUTO (0°) URANUS square VENUS (0°), PRIAPUS conjunct BML (0°), MOON opposite PLUTO (0°), and there's maybe been one major dramatic display in 4 years. We're discovering, however, this is kind of a Pandora's box that gets opened intimately. Specifically, triggered during sex.

Outside of that? Nada.

We're the most polite, gentle, cheerful people with each other. Nobody plays games. We're honest, and surprisingly devoted. He's never put me down or really even said an unkind word to wound. For all his aloof personality and emotional distance, he's warm and affectionate with me. We genuinely love each other -- as, you know, close friends do.

It wasn't until the rage he keeps so deeply submerged began getting sublimated in sex that I even realised the depths that were really being plumbed. The power issues are there -- but we're evolved and occasionally utilise our natural psychosexual dynamics as an outlet for them.

I'd say our whole relationship has a soft Neptunian vibe. Gentle, artistic, creative, compassionate.

It honestly wasn't until I had a fantastic analysis offered by libran_dream which blew me away. His whole chart is one big fustercluck of sexual dynamics -- repression, rage, and the constant need for control.

And guess who's chart overlays just in the right way to act as a trigger? Oh, yes. The essence of my natal downright flips the switch.

I don't think it's that I couldn't see it; it's more that I KNOW him. This objective perspective was SO illuminating. Like someone turned on the light and I saw it all clearly for the first time.

I shared it with my husband, and he just laughed. 'This surprises you?' Oh, yeah, I see the torrent just beneath the surface of his saccharine façade. I see the dark waters that rage -- those depths so many fathoms below. But it's different. It's almost as if I made myself forget it. Almost as if, 'well, it's all just potential.'

Two days after the amazing reading, the 'stars aligned' in such a fashion to where I SAW it. He SHOWED it to me. I was SO taken aback -- my husband helped me regain my footing. It's as if we can disregard something until we HAVE to confront it.

PLUTO-JUNO in 7H can, I'm sure, take many forms. Fated committed partnership, for example.

But she reminded me that sometimes a cigar REALLY IS a cigar. Even if we can convince ourselves otherwise. But it's best to be prepared.

PLUTO is about power. Usually at the base of our being. Any composite in which it's strongly featured WILL have power dynamics featuring in some capacity. It's going on somewhere. The trick is to know where.

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posted August 22, 2014 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
But isn't it still conjunct?

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You have to decide that for yourself IMO if you feel or you don't feel it. Angles are important so an orb of 5 orbs away from the angle would probably still be felt. Why don't you post the composite in the OP? the entire composite.

posted August 22, 2014 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
You have to decide that for yourself IMO if you feel or you don't feel it. Angles are important so an orb of 5 orbs away from the angle would probably still be felt. Why don't you post the composite in the OP? the entire composite.

I don’t know why people insist in just posting the wheel alone when they can post the entire chart, the more info the better the analysis.

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posted August 22, 2014 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
You have to decide that for yourself IMO if you feel or you don't feel it. Angles are important so an orb of 5 orbs away from the angle would probably still be felt. Why don't you post the composite in the OP? the entire composite.

I don’t know why people insist in just posting the wheel alone when they can post the entire chart, the more info the better the analysis.

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