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libran_dream
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posted August 26, 2014 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did a search and found several good threads on the topic of contra/parallels, but none new and in this subforum. (maybe I missed it?)

So! Which p/cp aspects do you have in your most significant synastries, what do you think of them, have they surprised you when you discovered them and did they explain something you thought was missing in the longitudinal chart?

If you can, please try to give an interpretation for your aspects.

If you'll be checking asteroids, here's a quick reference in two groups:
2101, 1221, 11911, 1862, 763, 6583, 433, 3811, 4386, 16
(Adonis, Amor, Angel, Apollo, Cupido, Destinn, Eros, Karma, Lust, Psyche)

1585, 447, 157, 42, 1923, 1181, 103, 1181, 5731
(Union, Valentine, Dejanira, Isis, Osiris, Kaali, Hera, Lilith, Zeus)


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In my case, the largest obvious "missing signs" for my most relevant relationship were missing Venus-Mars, Moon-Moon and Pluto-Mars aspects. I really felt those and they were nowhere to be found, which confused me.

In parallels, my Venus+Pluto+Juno+Mercury are on his Mars+Psyche. That sort of solves that mystery for me.

Our Moons are c//, so that's another mystery solved.

His Pluto was playing a large role in longitudinal synastry already: square my Sun, trine Moon, Uranus, Mercury, opposite my Jupiter, sextile AC. What I found missing was Pluto-Mars aspects, again, I felt those.
And sure enough: his Pluto par. my Mars, c// my Moon, Uranus, Neptune, Dejanira, Lilith. So things are becoming clearer.

Another fun one is that I have my Isis par. Sun, he has his Osiris par. Moon.

I am not certain how I feel the difference though and really don't know how to explain the difference in energies to others when asked.

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posted August 26, 2014 11:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think parallels/contraparallels in synastry are extra potent if they give "true" aspects, if an aspect already in synastry is backed up by declinations.

Those which are not backed up by an aspect add an extra aspect, a conjunction. I'm not sure how strong they behave, however, these parallel/contraparallel conjunctions.

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posted August 26, 2014 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love, love, love them. Parallels and contraparallels are like suddenly appearing traffic cops with signs going, 'THIS WAY!'.

While I've recently learnt that I have VENUS contrascia MARS with my partner, (d'oh!) the first thing I noticed was the contraparallel.

We also have EROS parallel PSYCHE.

I remember literally shouting, 'FINALLY!' because my PSYCHE was at long last getting some action. Either my EROS is surprisingly voracious, or I just draw Scorpio PSYCHE to me like moths.

And when you're the GIRL -- looking at yourself in the mirror and seeing yourself in the Cupid costume is something like, ' ... uhhhh ... this isn't what I signed up for. Maybe there's been a mixup?' Nope. Enjoy your Cupid costume.

This happens with male VENUS, too. Hardly a shock that these men tend to be the ones who are emotionally available to me. Which, as lovely fate would have it, don't do a thing below the waistline.

For me, my work has put me in position where men adore the image I've created for them. That's NOT intimacy.

I was the VENUS conjunct a MARS once. Now I live with the faint corneal scar in the left-uppermost field of my vision from where he hit me; I've named him George. (Clearing karma should seriously come with cautionary measures.)

So, I'll take my VENUS/PSYCHE husband, and my MARS/EROS partner over that ANY day. Turns out, it takes a very mature sort of man to be able to be the MARS to a woman's VENUS -- whether it's conjunction, parallel, or contraparallel.

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posted August 26, 2014 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Neptunian experience seasoned with Pluto aka massive celeb crush:

NEPTUNE
his Neptune 21°55'4" S
my Neptune 21°52'38" S
woohoo!
my Sun 22°13'45" S
my Mercury 20°58'56" S
my Venus 20°32'1" S
my Mars 22°3'18" N
my Saturn 20°59'25" S
my Uranus 23°22'9" S
my NN 20°32'32" S
my IC 21°18'16" S
and now we know my Neptune is stronger than it's safe
his Sun 23°14'32" N
his Mercury 21°25'15" N
his Mars 21°26'51" N
his Vertex 22°57'12" N

PLUTO
his Pluto 7°43'38" N
my ASC 7° 3'57" N
my Pluto 3°13'36" S
his Juno 2°27'32" N

Plus Neptune and Pluto action is synastry and composite.

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posted August 27, 2014 03:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am on the fence about them. They need to be close.

Well Mr Sagīs Venus is unaspected synastrically using major aspects and planets only (there are very exact 8th harmonic aspects to my Neptune-NN and Jupiter though, and midpoint action - and some might count the 5-6 degree square to my Uranus and of course his Venus is on the antiscion of my Mars).

However it gets a bunch of parallels and contraparallels including those to my

Sun, mars (widish at 1.26), Saturn, NN, Vertex, ASC


his Venus is also very exactly semisextile my Sun (0.01), an aspect I usually ignore, but at one minute orb it seems to be asking for a little attention And there is this parallel in the background.

my Venus is also parallel his Sun (and MC), and I suppose I feel it, yes.

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posted August 28, 2014 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think parallels/contraparallels in synastry are extra potent if they give "true" aspects, if an aspect already in synastry is backed up by declinations.

Those which are not backed up by an aspect add an extra aspect, a conjunction. I'm not sure how strong they behave, however, these parallel/contraparallel conjunctions



I think "double conjunctions" should be really emphasized in analysis, I totally agree. Do you have any?

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Love, love, love them. Parallels and contraparallels are like suddenly appearing traffic cops with signs going, 'THIS WAY!'.

While I've recently learnt that I have VENUS contrascia MARS with my partner, (d'oh!) the first thing I noticed was the contraparallel.

We also have EROS parallel PSYCHE.

I remember literally shouting, 'FINALLY!' because my PSYCHE was at long last getting some action. Either my EROS is surprisingly voracious, or I just draw Scorpio PSYCHE to me like moths.

And when you're the GIRL -- looking at yourself in the mirror and seeing yourself in the Cupid costume is something like, ' ... uhhhh ... this isn't what I signed up for. Maybe there's been a mixup?' Nope. Enjoy your Cupid costume.

This happens with male VENUS, too. Hardly a shock that these men tend to be the ones who are emotionally available to me. Which, as lovely fate would have it, don't do a thing below the waistline.

For me, my work has put me in position where men adore the image I've created for them. That's NOT intimacy.

I was the VENUS conjunct a MARS once. Now I live with the faint corneal scar in the left-uppermost field of my vision from where he hit me; I've named him George. (Clearing karma should seriously come with cautionary measures.)

So, I'll take my VENUS/PSYCHE husband, and my MARS/EROS partner over that ANY day. Turns out, it takes a very mature sort of man to be able to be the MARS to a woman's VENUS -- whether it's conjunction, parallel, or contraparallel.



Wow, that is an excellent example of how bad Venus-Mars could get. I was always a bit wary of this famed aspect; it creates a fire, yes, but fire doesn't only warm, it also burns. Completely agree about Mars-Venus taking a very mature Mars to handle it.

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posted August 28, 2014 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
My Neptunian experience seasoned with Pluto aka massive celeb crush:

NEPTUNE
his Neptune 21°55'4" S
my Neptune 21°52'38" S
woohoo!
my Sun 22°13'45" S
my Mercury 20°58'56" S
my Venus 20°32'1" S
my Mars 22°3'18" N
my Saturn 20°59'25" S
my Uranus 23°22'9" S
my NN 20°32'32" S
my IC 21°18'16" S
and now we know my Neptune is stronger than it's safe
his Sun 23°14'32" N
his Mercury 21°25'15" N
his Mars 21°26'51" N
his Vertex 22°57'12" N

PLUTO
his Pluto 7°43'38" N
my ASC 7° 3'57" N
my Pluto 3°13'36" S
his Juno 2°27'32" N

Plus Neptune and Pluto action is synastry and composite.



That's a lot of outer planet synastry. I guess that's what draws us to someone without truly knowing them as a person. I have a working theory that celebrity crushes are really outer planet synastries, as you're mainly attracted to them for what they represent to the world.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am on the fence about them. They need to be close.

Well Mr Sagīs Venus is unaspected synastrically using major aspects and planets only (there are very exact 8th harmonic aspects to my Neptune-NN and Jupiter though, and midpoint action - and some might count the 5-6 degree square to my Uranus and of course his Venus is on the antiscion of my Mars).

However it gets a bunch of parallels and contraparallels including those to my

Sun, mars (widish at 1.26), Saturn, NN, Vertex, ASC


his Venus is also very exactly semisextile my Sun (0.01), an aspect I usually ignore, but at one minute orb it seems to be asking for a little attention And there is this parallel in the background.

my Venus is also parallel his Sun (and MC), and I suppose I feel it, yes.



That probably accounts for what you were missing in longitudinal. Do you notice any difference in Venus/Sun parallel and Venus/Sun long.?

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posted August 29, 2014 02:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libran_Dream,

"I have a working theory that celebrity crushes are really outer planet synastries,"
yes, I have been thinking that myself, too.
though outer planet synastry ALSO happens in real-life synastries, and sometimes in those with the deepest growth experiences.
however I think it is also important how the personal vs outer synastry is measuring.
if there is only little personal planets synastry, there is literally not much to keep those people together. (depending on people`s needs in terms of closeness of course).


I am usually always checking my synastries against the one with Jude Law. Because when I saw his chart years ago, i was really startled for the "mirror-function" it seemed to have to mine.
I didnīt even really like him. Still got stuck somehow. Well, for now I am "off the hook", but I am pretty sure he`s going to be back again. I suppose somewhen in 2015.


What I mean though is the similiarities in our natal charts.

with our Sun/Venus interchange (his sun in Cap, Venus in Sag - for me it is the reverse).
both Sag-ASC`s conjunct Neptune
both Libra-MC`s conjunct Pluto
his Moon-uranus-conj to my Aqua-Moon
both mercury-Sag
his Sun square Pluto, and Mars in Scorpio - my Venus square Pluto
his Venus in Sag conj. Neptune - my Mars in Sag conj. Neptune
his ASC exactly conjunct Venus/Neptune-mp, my ASC exactly conjunct Mars/Neptune-mp

Of course that comes out in the synastry as well, predominantly Neptune and Pluto.
Well we do have some other soon (like his Sun conjunct my Venus) but most of it is really Neptune and Pluto plus angle-aspects. plus nodal aspects.


Just pointing out these:
my Uranus conjunct his Moon
his uranus squares my Vertex
(and sextiles my Sun-Mercury)

my Neptune conjunct his Venus (3)
my Neptune conjunct his ASC exact
(sextile his MC)
his Neptune conjunct my Mars and ASC exact
(and sextile my MC)

my Pluto square his Sun (1)
(widely sextile hsi Venus 4 degr)
my Pluto conjunct his MC exact
(sextile his ASC)
his Pluto square my Venus (1)
his Pluto sextile my Mars exact
his Pluto conjunct my MC exact
(and sextile my MC)


plus

his Venus and ASC closely conjunct my NN
his Saturn widely conj. my SN (5°19)
my Saturn exactly conjunct his SN


now, i am one who usually always has a lot of outer planet synastries, especailly Neptune-pluto, but I suppose that might be because of their angularity (neptune on ASC and Pluto on MC).

I was VERY surprised when I checked Mr Sag`s synastry and found surprisingly little. Well of course there IS outer planet synastry, too. Especially with my Neptune. lol

my Uranus sextile his Moon-MC (3)
my Neptune conjunct his Mercury exact
my Neptune square his Mars-Jupiter (1)
my Pluto sextile his Mercury exact

his Uranus trine my Vertex 81)
his Neptune widely conj. my Mercury (4-5)
his Pluto widely trine my Moon (4)
his Pluto square my Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp exact


However except for my Neptune aspecting his Mercury-Mars, and his Pluto aspecting my Vertex those are neither really tight nor attentionseeking.

The emphasis on this synastry seems to be more on Sun, Moon (his), Mercury, Mars, angles and Jupiter, and Saturn (his)
(Moon rules his 5th house, Mars rules his 1st and traditionally the 8th house, Mercury rules both 7th house and his 4th house, Mars rules my 4th house).

I have never met any person who was "targeting" my Sun-Mercury-conjunction that much. In most friendships and other relations, my Sun goes pretty much unnoticed, and it is more about my Venus-Mars-ASC-MC-complex being triggered.

The interesting thing is that this connection with him would probably fall roughly into the "celebrity"-variety, even though not really. It defies definition. or lets say I try to put it into that category and be "reasonable" about it, but he seems to contiually contradict it himself.


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posted August 29, 2014 05:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by libran_dream:
Do you notice any difference in Venus/Sun parallel and Venus/Sun long.?

I donīt know. Maybe.

I find it difficult to say sometimes what it is I really respond to. lol

I mean some astrologers might count the wide conjunction of his Moon to my Venus (7)

I personally find the antiscia/ contrascia significant, and his Venus is on the antiscion of my Mars by 1 degree

his Venus is also on the exact midpoint of my Moon/Venus. In fact his Venus-Juno-opposition is, and his Venus-Juno makes a 9th harmonic (novile) close configuration with my Moon-Venus.
The 9th harmonic chart is pretty strong in general.

so what is it I really respond to?


Well the DW of Sun-Venus parallel got my attention.

also, when we met his pr Sun was conjunct his natal Venus by 0.00 degrees. Precise. It was only that precise for 5 days, and we met exactly on the day in the middle of that 5 days period.

Funny enough my pr Venus was conjunct my natal Moon at that time. lol


And even funnier at the current time, this august, my solar arc Venus has just started to come into orb for conjunct my natal Moon, and it will be exact next spring.
(along with my pr Mars slowly applying to my natal Venus while for him pr Venus is applying to an opposition of his natal Mars, and coincidentally those will peak around the same months).


But anyway i am interested in parallels, but just do not know how strong they are on their own.


there does seem to be a lot of admiration and appreciation though. now, it is a given from my side; but curiously he seems to be quite appreciative of me as well.

As I said, this is roughly in the "celebrity" category, though he is not a big name or something like that. But he is a local actor/singer/performer, and though the concerts he is giving are sort of half-informal, and resembling jam-sessions rather than real concerts, it is still the performer/audience-thing.

But lately, well, he did not only commented on that I was driving him crazy, but last concert I visited (small club athmosphere) he actually spent almost as much time OFF stage in the audience, and more specifically in my proximity, and sort of involving me in another short chat and asking me for my name again, only to say then that he already knew (he approached me during a show before, but that was 3 years ago. I doubt he would remember that!) and continuing that we already know each other.

Well, yeah, I am never sure about THAT. lol
It is this weird thing.

But it`s, well he has always payed me quite some attention and acting as if he remembered me and was glad to see me, when I showed up somewhere. But of course I never really thought this was anything more but treating his audience nice (though he doesn`t always do that. lol) and would have forgotten about that and me, the minute I walked through the door.


But as I said since june it becomes extremely difficult for me to cling to that notion, simply for the fact for those incidences he was zooming in on me so much. And seriously, by now I always gotten used to the spotlight hitting me several times a night, when he is communicating with his audience. It doesn`t matter where I sit. Where I sit, the spotlight goes those occasions.

Of course I have always attributed that to coincidence. But those coincideces have been going on for years, and as I said, recently/ lately, it becomes quite hard to ignore and cling to the refusion to believe he could like me, or see me, or even being intrigued by me, when he sais such things.

that man just wonīt stay on his damned pedestal/ stage!

Even his parents recognize me by now. LOL
(no, I am not there very other week.).


Funny thing is that we even spent time in the same city as children. him becuase he grew up there, me because I was visiting my great grandmother who was living there, and from the very first meeting, he just seemed so familiar to me, as if we have met before. So maybe we have, and we just can`t quite remember.


I really do not have categories for that "connection" anymore. No definition.


But the Venus-sun yes probably


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posted August 29, 2014 05:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/

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posted August 29, 2014 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted something for you in the celeb thread.

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posted August 29, 2014 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Libran_Dream,

"I have a working theory that celebrity crushes are really outer planet synastries,"
yes, I have been thinking that myself, too.
though outer planet synastry ALSO happens in real-life synastries, and sometimes in those with the deepest growth experiences.
however I think it is also important how the personal vs outer synastry is measuring.
if there is only little personal planets synastry, there is literally not much to keep those people together. (depending on people`s needs in terms of closeness of course).



I think that's pretty well-put. Without solid IC/Moon links, you don't really know that person all that intimately.

What an interesting story with Mr Sag Singer. I'd count that Moon-Venus conjunction. It might not be AS strong as <4°but it's still there.
The pSun on nVenus timing is freaky.
How are the Moon and IC links in your synastry?

Jude Law, hm? I always find it shocking how many women are really into that man. He's just so pretty to me, like way, waay too pretty, I don't get how anyone is actually attracted to him. That's what Aries DC does to you I guess, I'm more into lumberjacks than actors.

And thank you for the link.

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I posted something for you in the celeb thread.

I just saw it. Lots of Uranus/Neptune/Pluto. What do you think makes him attractive to you?

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posted August 29, 2014 04:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How are the Moon and IC links in your synastry?"
More his Moon and IC.

But I suppose it makes sense. In a way he is the one who saw me first, and I started paying real attention to him, when I noticed that he seemed to notice me quite a lot, which I did not understand at all.
And somewhen along the way I just got hooked I suppose. lol

My Moon actually only has a widish trine to his Pluto (4 degrees) and a similiar widish sextile to his Neptune (3 degrees).

His Moon (his 5th house ruler) on the other hand is conjunct my Sun and Mercury and sextile my Uranus.

No tight links with my IC; my Sun-Mercury-conjunction falls onto his MC, so opposing his IC.

However the houserulers are interesting.

our IC-rulers are conjunct by 4 degrees, right on my ASC-NN-Neptune-conjunction (and first meeting char`s ASC). We actually have a similiar family background.

Anyway my IC ruler is:
conjunct his Mercury (his 4th and 7th and 3rd ruler)
antiscion his Venus (his interc. 7th ruler)
widely squaring his mars-Jupiter (5 degrees)
(btw I love squares in synastry, conjunctions and squares, where other people start running screaming away, all it does is raise my interest. Anything less than that and I would not even pay attention. lol)

his IC-ruler:
conjunct my Mars (IC-ruler)
square my Jupiter (ASC-ruler)
conunct my Neptune (3rd ruler)
sextile my Pluto (11th and 12th ruler)
conjunct my NN
conjunct my ASC


It might seem like I am touching his Moon/IC/4th ruler more than he does mine, but I certainly feel it rather deeply, even though it took some time for me to realize HOW deep.

And since this is a thread about parallels....


my Moon cp his Mars 1.09
my Moon p his SN 0.06
my Moon p his Priapus 0.03
my Moon cp his true LIlith 0.42
my Moon p his Sappho 0.03

my IC precisely p his DESC on 1.58 N.


"Jude Law, hm? I always find it shocking how many women are really into that man. He's just so pretty to me, like way, waay too pretty"
You are right. and I never was really attracted to him.
But he is very different on stage than he is on film. Still looking good of course, but not the pretty-boy-image he transports through screen.

I have never seen anyone unleashing as much intensity and (dark) emotions, as he does on stage. I remember having seen him in "Anna Christie" I was even a little scared and thought to myself that it probably was NOT a good idea to really cross him.
A lot of volatile emotions under that pretty intellectual surface. That rage and edginess and physicality he portrayed, it was shocking to say the least. I mean, the man was thrashing a rocket chair so much that they had to exchange it for the next performance. He exerted a little too much force right there (not that I would have expected to see him throwing chairs or beds on stage. That was a surprise, certainly).

Well I suppose the Sun-Pluto-square and the Scorpio Mars conjunct true Lilith in Scorpio in his 12th house must find an outlet somehow.

And believe me that was not a pretty sight. lol

Still not attracted to him though. Not really.

His Mars actually is in my 12th house as well, and basically unaspected except for the conunction to my Valentine and square to my true Lilith (which is volatile enough on its own as aspect, does not need much more than thsi, but it seriously looks like a desaster you better not wait around for to happen. Well I have had some past life recalls/ dreams about him, and no matter if real past life recalls or just something subconscious bubbling to the surface, it were no happy dreams, I can assure you.)

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posted September 01, 2014 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Angelina's Declinations:

Sun 22' N
Venus 22' N
Saturn 22'N
Neptune 20'N
Nodes 20'N
ASC 20'N
Valentine 22'N

Brad's Declinations:
Sun 24'S
Moon 23'S
Venus 23'S
Mars 24'S
Nodes 22'S
ASC 22'S

Very, very impressive parallel/ contra parallel interchange in their declinational synastry. I'm flabbergasted.
Just by this example alone, parallels and contra parallels appear to be very powerful, imo.

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posted September 01, 2014 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What we have.

My Sun Libra 19'26 - 7'36 S
My ASC Virgo 12'59 - 6'44 N
His Venus Pisces 14'41 - 7'16 S

My Venus Libra 14'24 - 4'26 S
My Mercury Libra 12'50 - 3'36 S
His Pluto Scorpio 1'25 - 4'21 N

My Mars Gemini 14'00 - 21'47 N
My Saturn Capricorn 19'01 - 22'08 S
My Neptune Capricorn 11'50 - 22'05 S
My MC Gemini 6'00 - 21'18 N
His Jupiter Capricorn 11'11 - 22'44 S
His Uranus Saggitarius 13'32 - 22'23 S
His Neptune Capricorn 1'32 - 22'14 S
His NN Gemini 8'58 - 21'57 N

My Jupiter Leo 10'05 - 18'07 N
His ASC Leo 5'11 - 18'58 N
My NN Aquarius 4'21 - 19'10 S
His Mars Scorpio 27'44 - 18'20 S
My ASC Virgo 12'59 -

I guess parallels/contraparallels in our synastry are a big deal. We have many aspects even without them, but i didn't actually take a look at them until now. Wow.

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Clusters of declinations in my synastry

1. Mars to angles theme (DW with the last theme):

my Mars 0°31'15" N
his Vertex 1°42' 8" S
his Karma 0°41'14" S
his Asc. 0°40'30" N


2. Soulful love theme - My Sun/ASC with his Alma, Vesta and Valentine

my Sun 3°48'31" N my Asc. 3'25" S
his Sun 3°16'52" S
his Alma 4°35'4" S
his Vesta 5° 8' 5" N
his Valentine 5° 0'35" N

3. Romantic Juno theme- my Juno/Mercury with all his romance/eroticism asteroids, same Amor, same Valentine,

my Mercury 5° 1'27" S my Juno 5°36'18" S
his Vesta 5° 8' 5" N
his Alma 4°35'4" S
his Amor 6°13' 5" N
his Cupido 5°56'57" N
his Valentine 5° 0'35" N
his Lust 6°58'43" N

my Valentine 6°22'2" S
his Valentine 5° 0'35" N
my Priapus 6°48' 4" N
his Vesta 5° 8' 5" N
his Lust 6°58'43" N
his Cupido 5°56'57" N

my Amor 7°38'57" N
his Amor 6°13' 5" N
his Lust 6°58'43" N
his Chiron 8°16'56" N
his Pallas 8°29'49" N


4. Spiritual Juno/Venus theme - his Juno

my Venus 10°22'13" N my Union 10°29'54" N my Chiron 10° 0'23" N my Pallas 9°52' 6" N
his Mercury 11°30'56" S
his Jupiter 11°52'38" S
his Uranus 9°52'35" S
his Juno 9° 5'19" S
his Priapus 11°47' 3" N

my Jupiter 8°27'43" S my Uranus 9°29'16" S
his Uranus 9°52'35" S
his Chiron 8°16'56" N
his Pallas 8°29'49" N
his Juno 9° 5'19" S


5. The Moon/Venus/Pluto theme

my Moon 12°14'51" N my Pluto 12°27'22" N my Vertex 12°59' 7" N my Lilith 12°26'32" S my Vesta 11°38'55" S
his Mercury 11°30'56" S
his Venus 14°30'14" S
his Jupiter 11°52'38" S
his Pluto 13°23'59" N
his Priapus 11°47' 3" N
his Eros 14°39'38" S

my Lust 13°54'15" S
his Venus 14°30'14" S
his Pluto 13°23'59" N
his Eros 14°39'38" S
his Union 15°42' 0" N

my MC 16°50'23" S
his Union 15°42' 0" N


6. Dreamy/psychic Moon theme, the same Psyche

his Moon 19°42'31" S his P.Fort.19°21'49" S
my Psyche 18°30'51" S
his Psyche 18°52'11" S
my Alma 21°35' 5" N
my Neptune 19°56'37" S
his Ceres 21°26' 6" S

7. Fate Theme

my Saturn 21°52'22" N my Alma 21°35' 5" N my Cupido 22°37' 0" N my True Node 22°31'40" S my P.Fort. 22°26' 4" S my Ceres 23°50'28" S
his Mars 23°7'25" N
his Saturn 22°35'28" N
his Neptune 20°18'46" S
his True Node 23°18'25" S
his Ceres 21°26' 6" S
his Pholus 22°39'59" S
his MC 23°25'36" N

my Pholus 24°17'18" S
his Mars 23°7'25" N
his MC 23°25'36" N

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Declination themes in the composite

1. Fated love theme

Sun 23°8'27" N
Amor 23°22'36" N
Mercury 23°1' 1" S (MC, 8th, Sun ruler, NN star)
Saturn 23°14' 8" N
True Node 23°0' 9" S
P.Fort. 23° 9'54" S
Vertex 22° 2'53" N


2. Moon/Alma theme
Moon 0°14'15" S
Alma 0°56'27" S

3. Yin/yang passion
Venus 18°16'49" S
Mars 19°15'51" N
Lilith 19°22'38" S
Cupido 20°22'27" N
Psyche 20° 9'11" S


4. Psychic love
Cupido 20°22'27" N
Psyche 20° 9'11" S
Pallas 21° 9' 6" S
Neptune 21°41'46" S


5. "Turning point" theme
ASC 8°43'20" S
MC 8°48'56" N
Chiron 8°14'50" N
Pholus 8°35'25" S
Jupiter 9° 9'18" S
Uranus 10°12'53" S


6. Juno theme
Vesta 10°53'54" S
Uranus 10°12'53" S
Juno 12°29'42" S
Ceres 12°45' 8" S

7. Merging theme
Priapus 13°33'39" N
Juno 12°29'42" S
Ceres 12°45' 8" S

Lust 6°19'34" S
Union 7° 4' 9" N


8. Romance theme
Valentine 4°58' 8" S
Eros 5° 9'30" N

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posted September 01, 2014 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I just saw it. Lots of Uranus/Neptune/Pluto. What do you think makes him attractive to you?

Astrology wise?


his Venus exactly opposite my Uranus (dispositor of Venus)
his Venus opposite my Neptune (DSC ruler)
his Venus opposite my Sun
Moon conjunct Pluto DW
his Moon sextile my Uranus and Neptune
his Moon square my Jupiter (IC ruler)
his MC conjunct my ASC
his Mars exactly on my MC
his DSC exactly on my Mars (8th house ruler)
Mars conjunct Mars
his Mars trine my Venus
his Jupiter trine my Mars
his Uranus opposite my Mars
his Pluto square my Sun
his 4 planets in my secondary 5th house
and a dope composite ^^


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Leeloo,

I love the way you grouped them.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo,

I love the way you grouped them.



Thank you I'd love to see your themes. I think the declinations highlight a certain theme, usually reflected by synastry aspects as well.

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I feel them for sure yes.
For me they seem to work just as strongly as conjunctions and oppositions.

Ceri I wanna know your declinations with Mr. Sag too!

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http://books.google.de/books?id=xgn6ka0MSSYC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=orb+of+parallels&source=bl&ots=EXckhMKGNt&sig=eg1TvZDuSx1CV6jHQ86ynD6U3tI&hl=de&sa=X&ei=3awFVJf0NtCz0QXckICACw&ved= 0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=orb%20of%20parallels&f=false


Still crunching the orb, and in fact I can do the declination equivalent charts.


Now let`s say I want to use that 1°26 parallel of his Venus to my Mars.

Converting it to the equivalent chart,
his Venus: 14°25 Cap/ 15°34 Sag

my Mars: 5°29 Sag / 24°30 Cap

(they always give the antiscion degrees as well).

now, seriously I do not really feel inclined to call a 10 degree conjuncztion of his Venus to my Mars a conjunction, and thus would not use this big of orb as the parallel.


The problm is that once planets are at about 20 degrees of declination they start getting REALLY slow moving; and while at a declination of maybe 3 degrees the orb can exceed 1 degree, this does not hold true for the higher declinations.


On the other hand his Mars is contraparalle my Moon by 1°09, but this is taking place at a lower declination (9°56 N v 11°05 S).

And converting it to the equivalents we get

his Mars: 4°15 Virgo / 25°44 Aries
my Moon: 01°04 Pisces/ 28°55 Libra


I would DEFINITELY count that as opposition and hence as a contraparallel.


I suppose the orb of parallels really have to be on a sliding scale.
Whihc of course could mean we do not even have the Venus-Sun parallel dw to begin with!

I think the aspects would approach 10 degrees as well.


Nevertheless I do feel inclined to still use the one degree orb for declinations over 20 degrees (just because i want to : ) but not beyond that, strict 1 degree rule policy there.
Whereas below 20 degrees or so, it seems that the orb could be greater than 1 degree.

His Jupiter is on 8.45 N
my Juno is on 10.22 S

I would usually think this is too wide, but letīs check for the equivalents.


his Jupiter 7°31 Virgo / 22°28 Aries
my Juno 03°04 Pisces / 26°55 Libra


Holy, damn it, yes they would be within orb.


What does that mean?

Maybe that between 00°-10° of declination, the orb might be almost up to 2 degrees, but at least 1°45?

I suppose then the orb between 10°-20° would be around 1°30 then, with anything over 20° of declinations responding - roughly- to a 1° orb.


Of course I could check it in each case against the backdrop of the equivalent charts (using a 5 degree orb there, as Jayne suggested, well he would have known what he was talking about I suppose. lol)

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Maybe that between 00°-10° of declination, the orb might be almost up to 2 degrees, but at least 1°45?

I suppose then the orb between 10°-20° would be around 1°30 then, with anything over 20° of declinations responding - roughly- to a 1° orb.

Very interesting, Ceri - there's definitely a point here, considering parallels/contraparallels are an ADDED energy to a synastry, at least in my view, so doing the equivalents makes sense. Of course, there are few accounts (research) on how the declinations are really felt. Do we have connective synastries without vertical aspects, but with strong declinations instead? Hardly. But who knows?

I have this view that declinations should be max. 1 deg., the aspects I listed are roughly 1 (except for Moon/Venus, almost 2). It makes sense to consider various degrees according to the equivalent. Do you think the planets should count also? Like diff. orbs for Sun, Moon, Venus, ASC etc. compared to the orbs for asteroids?

so 00°-10° 2 deg. orb
10-20 1.30 orb
20 + 1 deg. orb

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I feel most comfortable with 1 degree orb as well, but it seems that even more than this is valid in the lower declinations.

Yes, I basically think if we cut the orb for asteroids in longitudes we should do so in declinations as well (maybe half of it). On the other hand asteroids are not bound to the ecliptic as planets are and can get wildly out of bound (my Eros is such a "flying high" thing with its declination of 54 N. lol Never seen anything like it, not in my chart anyway. Of course it means that rarely anything will ever be parallel/ contraparalle l it).

But I suppose using a 1 degree orb, even for asteroids might suffice.

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I read somewhere that declinations with an orb of 1'30 max is valid, although I'm not sure.
I feel that if I go that far it'll be like I'm lying to myself lol.

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