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moonstruck87
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posted August 26, 2014 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstruck87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know advanced (well, more advanced than me) astrologers can see this lol so for example:

if A has mars (let's say in the 7 house) square person B's Saturn in 10

would they have conflicts over how person A asserts them self in the relationship due to person B's career??? Or is this too specific?

Thoughts?

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posted August 27, 2014 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstruck87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 27, 2014 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First we would need to see what that square means in their synastry.

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posted August 27, 2014 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstruck87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your response LeeLoo. How does one determine this?

Here is the overlay:

Do we also look to the houses ruled by Mars and Saturn for these individuals? Thanks in advance for your guidance

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posted August 27, 2014 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If someone's got a natal 7H MARS, they're going to naturally be drawn to forceful partners and relationships with a lot of energy. There may also be the tendency to argue and a likelihood for lots of action -- determined by the sign and aspects. They do best with partners who are going to match their level of activity, whether that's a similar propensity towards being assertive and domineering, or just needing a lot of activity. If they run marathons, it's extremely important that their partner would want to join them. They're also likely to find partners at places where they engage in their chosen activities, or, specifically, gyms, on athletic teams, training for competition -- even the military.

Now, we've got a square -- friction, obstacle -- to a partner's 10H SATURN. To me, despite the genders involved, this smacks to me of the level of sexual activity desired by 7H suffering due to 10H SATURN's either, extremely demanding job or dedication to their career -- whether it's long hours at the office or just being too exhausted to attend to their partner's physical needs.

It can be anything, but that's what comes immediately to mind. It could also have something to do, in a woman's chart, in her father (10H SATURN) not liking her husband's argumentative, reckless approach to their marriage; maybe he fears he's being unfaithful. Either way, there's tension and difficulty in harmonising the energies.

And, always, natal aspects mean everything.

To have a deeper view, we can certainly look to what house is ruled by both 10H SATURN's SATURN and MARS, and vice versa. Are there natal squares in either? Trines? Any aspect at all?

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posted August 27, 2014 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstruck87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh great lol

not a good square to have bc he (saturn) is ruled by Saturn so it rules his 1st house (self, demeanor, vitality, personality)

his mars rules his IC (mom, childhood, home)

and mars rules my 3rd house (communication, siblings, short trips)

and saturn rules my ASC also (self, demeanor, etc)

this isn't good lol...So it could be friction w/sexuality due to his (self)
or could be issues w/(communication) regarding (home, mother)

Am I on the right track here? lol

I know no one has time to do this for every single aspect, but it's useful info for aspects that w/tight orbs. For us, this orb is a little over 1 degree.


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posted August 27, 2014 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a pretty good grasp of it, I'd say.

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posted August 27, 2014 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstruck87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
That's a pretty good grasp of it, I'd say.

Beyond that we would look to the natal saturn and mars of each individual also to see what aspects there are?

Thanks indigo for your guidance! I can feel the fluency coming on haha it's exciting to learn and apply it

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posted August 28, 2014 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, the Mars/Saturn square is common in long-term synastries. Sexually, it points to "real" sex and sexual fidelity.

I don't see squares as friction and conflict, but as the part of the chart that drives us to act, to do things. Of course, the drive to act in humans is usually connected to a lack, a need, a desire, to something missing that we want. If you look at it this way, obviously a square between two major action/work planets like Mars and Saturn is a particularly good one. Any square has a Mars flavor, any square has a Saturn flavor (the third flavor of all squares is Uranus).

Here the square is between your 3rd ruler (also your secondary 5th, and I think this is important) and his ASC ruler. It's a bit like having Mars conjunct ASC, it has a similar energy. The only problem could come from his Saturn on your Pluto, this is a conjunction leading sometimes to power struggles, particularly in this case when your Pluto rules your MC (your affirmation point) and his Saturn sits right there. He can either support you or try to control you, dominate you, dampen your spirits. It all depends is he is a "good" Saturn or a "bad" Saturn. If you don't act together a lot with this very active and constructive square, you would have the tendency to criticize him, since Mars rules your 3rd. With this square, you need to work together, be active together, have an intense sexual life, build things together etc. To be a team.


On the other hand, his Saturn on your Mars/Pluto square could discipline it, give it a channel. Again, it all depends if he is a positive or negative Saturn, and you, a positive Mars/Pluto.
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posted August 28, 2014 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstruck87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
First of all, the Mars/Saturn square is common in long-term synastries. Sexually, it points to "real" sex and sexual fidelity.

I don't see squares as friction and conflict, but as the part of the chart that drives us to act, to do things. Of course, the drive to act in humans is usually connected to a lack, a need, a desire, to something missing that we want. If you look at it this way, obviously a square between two major action/work planets like Mars and Saturn is a particularly good one. Any square has a Mars flavor, any square has a Saturn flavor (the third flavor of all squares is Uranus).

Here the square is between your 3rd ruler (also your secondary 5th, and I think this is important) and his ASC ruler. It's a bit like having Mars conjunct ASC, it has a similar energy. The only problem could come from his Saturn on your Pluto, this is a conjunction leading sometimes to power struggles, particularly in this case when your Pluto rules your MC (your affirmation point) and his Saturn sits right there. He can either support you or try to control you, dominate you, dampen your spirits. It all depends is he is a "good" Saturn or a "bad" Saturn. If you don't act together a lot with this very active and constructive square, you would have the tendency to criticize him, since Mars rules your 3rd. With this square, you need to work together, be active together, have an intense sexual life, build things together etc. To be a team.


On the other hand, his Saturn on your Mars/Pluto square could discipline it, give it a channel. Again, it all depends if he is a positive or negative Saturn, and you, a positive Mars/Pluto.


whoa, thanks LeeLoo for the detailed response. I am definitely printing this out to use me in further delineations.

I also think your description of the square energy is VERY refreshing. Most descriptions of this aspect in synastry have all been gloom and doom, sexless etc.

Thank you again

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