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Topic: Couples in history - Evita & Juan Peron
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posted August 27, 2014 06:00 AM
  
I was left with no WOW-feelings when I first looked at the synastry  IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 07:08 AM
Well, venus conj. desc and moon trine as suggest mutual affection and understanding. Both have sun conj mars which could increase the understanding but they are inconjunct. Bäh. IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 07:13 AM
Above anything else I suppose they were a political marriage (that does not mean they loved each other of course).
I suppose partnership-aspects would be stronger though than passionate attraction aspectrs. IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Above anything else I suppose they were a political marriage (that does not mean they loved each other of course).
I suppose partnership-aspects would be stronger though than passionate attraction aspectrs.
But she was anything but a good catch (no rich/influential family and a bad reputation). But she was beautiful. Maybe it was that what caught his attention  IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 07:46 AM
Probably. But beyond that she was VERY amibitious, and already had made herself a name as a radio star and through involvement with several military men. IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 07:49 AM
Things that stand out to me:1. They're both Sun conjunct Mars people, both ruled by Venus and these are inconjunct. Pretty strong draw there. 2. The Sun+Mars on both sides must be forming a Yod there somehow, maybe on both sides... Ah, there - his NN sex. her Sun+Mars and both inconjunct his Sun+Mars. How accurate is his birth time? If he was born something like a half an hour earlier, his AC could be the 3rd point of a Yod as well. Actually, if it's correct, his Draconic AC could be making that point. As well as her NN/his AC midpoint. 3. She had Mars+Sun and Moon+Saturn, what a strong marker for a politician! 4. Her Sun+Mars forms his natal Venus&Juno trine into a Grand Trine. I always look for that kind of completion marker for strong relationships. This is a big one imo. 5. His Sun/AC midpoint falls in her H7. Draconic
6. His dMoon is on her gVenus 7. His d(Sun+Mars) is on her gDC 8. Her d(Sun+Mars) is on his gVenus 9. Her dVenus comes close to his g(Sun+Mars) 10. Her dPluto is on his gSaturn 11. Her dJupiter is on his gMercury 12. Her d(Moon+Saturn) is somewhere around his gAC
I was doing a very quick&dirty calculation of their Draco positions, just a caveat. If you can do their draconic-natal synastry charts, that would get us much better orbs.
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posted August 27, 2014 08:30 AM
They have impressive angle/planet contacts in synastry, Venus/Mars DW and two very interesting oppositions. In their composite, a classical aspect: Vertex conjunct DSC (2) and a nice Wedge.------------------
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posted August 27, 2014 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Above anything else I suppose they were a political marriage (that does not mean they loved each other of course).
I suppose partnership-aspects would be stronger though than passionate attraction aspectrs.
At least from his side, he was most definitely very much in love with her and this lasted well beyond her death. What she felt is not a clear as she died very young and her life and political ambitions were certainly part of why she choose him. EDIT: I'm surprised there are no more MC 10/11h contacts/overlays as they both benefited greatly in terms of career and public opinion by being together. Am I missing something? Probably! Maybe Venus in his natal 10th means that a woman will help his career aspirations? IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
EDIT: I'm surprised there are no more MC 10/11h contacts/overlays as they both benefited greatly in terms of career and public opinion by being together. Am I missing something? Probably! Maybe Venus in his natal 10th means that a woman will help his career aspirations?
Her MC is nicely aspected by his venus his sun/mars/chiron and moon/neptune/pluto. Ruler of her MC opposes his mc. Read: he supported her. Her AS trines his mc. She made him look good in his profession IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 10:01 AM
Her venus is not aspected at all, isn't it?  IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 10:27 AM
They do have the Venus/Mars trine DW, although her Venus to his Mars is 7, I do consider it being a DW.
Also Venus conjunct Neptune and DSC
Venus square Venus (5) opp her ceres on her Vertex axis
Venus sextile his Eros (1)
They also have:
His NN square her Vertex axis
Vertex conjunct ASC
His Vertex/Pholus conjunct her Sun/Mars
Her Lilith on his Avx
his Neptune/DSC on her Avx
Her Lilith conjunct his DSC ruler
Interestingly, he has Lilith/NN exact 
Juno/Jupiter DW
Moon/Neptune DW
his secondary 7th ruler, Uranus opp her Sun/Mars, squares her Moon/Saturn, making a Fixed cross with his Vesta/Eros
There's a double Fixed cross, the other one involving her angles and his Saturn
Strong Valentine aspects on both sides, also part of the Fixed
her 5th ruler Mercury opp his Sun/Mars
Their Amors conjunct on his IC
A powerful Yod involving both their Vertex axis and both their Sun/Mars conjunctions His Sun sextile her Moon (5)
Moon quintile Moon (1)
Sun/Venus, Sun/Mars DW
Sun/Uranus, Moon/Uranus, Venus/Mercury DW etc. etc. It's a strong synastry, they have a lot of DW
Overlays:
his Sun/Mars in her sec 5th
his Venus in her 5th
his Moon stellium in her Venus house, in the 2nd,a good house for marriage (or business lol)
her Sun/Mars in his sec 10th
her Merc in his 5th etc.
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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 27, 2014 10:29 AM
there is another strong Yod with her Mercury as apex, pouring into his Sun/Mars/ChironIP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 10:47 AM
Great, LeeLoo. Facing all the aspects/configurations we've discovered would you claim the 2 of them were in love with each other? Would you say he was more into her than she was in him?IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 27, 2014 10:52 AM
I find it hard to believe she didn't love him with all those 5th aspects. After all, her 5th ruler is opposing his Sun and Mars (his 5th ruler)I've always thought that physically, they are a very suitable couple. They look good for each other.  IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 27, 2014 10:59 AM
That's what I call a nice couple. They have a Twin vibe, to be honest. Just look at the first colored pic: they are each other's opp-gender-version Even their hand mimics is similar lol   ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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posted August 27, 2014 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Her MC is nicely aspected by his venus his sun/mars/chiron and moon/neptune/pluto. Ruler of her MC opposes his mc. Read: he supported her.Her AS trines his mc. She made him look good in his profession
Thanks. I did see those aspects. I was thinking there would be more. I was surprised they was no conjunctions considering the huge impact. But I guess they don't always need to be "in your face" to make a big impact. 
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posted August 27, 2014 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I find it hard to believe she didn't love him with all those 5th aspects. After all, her 5th ruler is opposing his Sun and Mars (his 5th ruler)I've always thought that physically, they are a very suitable couple. They look good for each other.
I also find it hard to believe. She was certainly working her way up the social ladder and could have picked from any number of suitors. They must have had a mutual connection. The only thing is that his love is well documented. After her death he really was devastated and some might say obsessed over her still and, well, she died very young so there is less "documentation" about their relationship from her point of view.
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posted August 27, 2014 12:15 PM
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Thanks. I did see those aspects. I was thinking there would be more. I was surprised they was no conjunctions considering the huge impact. But I guess they don't always need to be "in your face" to make a big impact.
I thought the same. Those were just my explanations; maybe they really liked each other . At first I thought it's an average synastry but obviously it was a Close, fated relationship IP: Logged |
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posted August 27, 2014 12:57 PM
That's their Composite:
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posted August 27, 2014 01:00 PM
Davison uncorrected. (I would put up their draconic but I don't know how to create it )  IP: Logged |
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posted August 30, 2014 09:21 PM
What are their natal planet degrees. I dislike synastry wheels because they don't show degrees. Drives me nuts! And so many people use them when they ask questions (Sorry for the rant, it's not just this thread).IP: Logged |
Merope
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posted August 30, 2014 10:19 PM
I would agree the chart doesn't scream 'wow'. But my mother was Argentinan and Eva Peron was known as a gold digging social climber with a very bad reputation. Peron was probably just attracted to her and he bought himself a pretty bride to put on his shoulder.No judgement though,a woman in those times in a country like that does what she has to do! IP: Logged |
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posted September 01, 2014 03:37 PM
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I would agree the chart doesn't scream 'wow'. But my mother was Argentinan and Eva Peron was known as a gold digging social climber with a very bad reputation. Peron was probably just attracted to her and he bought himself a pretty bride to put on his shoulder.No judgement though,a woman in those times in a country like that does what she has to do!
She was a polemic figure. Your mother was in the circle of people who thought that. Other people called her "Santa Evita". She made a huge impact of women's issues in the country. To dismiss her as what you wrote is only seeing half the picture. Complicated woman. Complicated country. IP: Logged |
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