posted September 16, 2014 10:28 AM            

What are your personalized midpoints, if they are, and what happens to them in your relationships?

posted September 16, 2014 11:05 AM            

But then again it is conjunct my Avx exact, opposing EROS exact, squaring Chiron by one degree and on the other side squaring Sappho as well.
It is a bit of a fated/ karmic eroticized Sun/Moon.

Venus/mars also happens quite often.

AS for others I would need to think about it.

posted September 16, 2014 11:34 AM            

A few midpoints that I consider very important in anyone's chart and that I'll look for immediately are the Sun/Chart Ruler and Sun/AC midpoints. For romantic synastry, I look at Venus/Mars, Moon/Venus, Moon/Pluto, and DC/Venus first. Also DC/H7 ruler. I'm experimenting with house cusp and house ruler midpoints, it's fascinating.

I also like multimidpoints, Venus/Mars/Moon ie, but I'm still experimenting with those, not too many solid conclusions, other than - they work. But they can get complicated to interpret.

posted September 16, 2014 11:46 AM            

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I also like multimidpoints, Venus/Mars/Moon ie

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posted September 16, 2014 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
How do you calculate them?

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EDIT: I keep trying to be more precise with the explanation and failing. In ordering, you're basically looking for the theoretical centre of gravity.

Here's an example calculation on my chart, I'll just round the degrees for simplicity here, but the real calculation needs to be more precise, of course:
Venus/Mars/Moon = 8ARI, 7GEM, 11SAG
Order: Moon, Venus, Mars
Calculation: Venus/Mars/Moon = (Moon/Venus) / (Venus/Mars) = (11SAG/8ARI) / (8ARI/7GEM) = (11SAG + (117/2)) / (8ARI + (59/2)) = 9AQU/8TAU = 23PIS

posted September 16, 2014 12:54 PM            

I've never known what that's about it. I suspect it's something with my VENUS/MC which is 8º30 Cancer. Or even ASC/MC (10º Cancer).

10º-15º Sagittarius used to be a mystery, too. But then I found my 15º SAG VALENTINE.

posted September 16, 2014 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Honestly, I don't know if I just adore VENUS/MC=VENUS, or VENUS/MC=SUN or what -- but I've had way too many relationships with 8º-12º Cancer in personal points. SUN, MOON, ASC, and VENUS (twice).

I've never known what that's about it. I suspect it's something with my VENUS/MC which is 8º30 Cancer. Or even ASC/MC (10º Cancer).

10º-15º Sagittarius used to be a mystery, too. But then I found my 15º SAG VALENTINE.

But the early Cancer degrees ... still a mystery.

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posted September 16, 2014 01:19 PM            

My Sun is at 10.56 Sag and moon is at 29.54 Aries. Do I go the long way around or the short way?

posted September 16, 2014 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Honestly, I don't know if I just adore VENUS/MC=VENUS, or VENUS/MC=SUN or what -- but I've had way too many relationships with 8º-12º Cancer in personal points. SUN, MOON, ASC, and VENUS (twice).

I've never known what that's about it. I suspect it's something with my VENUS/MC which is 8º30 Cancer. Or even ASC/MC (10º Cancer).

10º-15º Sagittarius used to be a mystery, too. But then I found my 15º SAG VALENTINE.

But the early Cancer degrees ... still a mystery.

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posted September 16, 2014 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Honestly, I don't know if I just adore VENUS/MC=VENUS, or VENUS/MC=SUN or what -- but I've had way too many relationships with 8º-12º Cancer in personal points. SUN, MOON, ASC, and VENUS (twice).

I've never known what that's about it. I suspect it's something with my VENUS/MC which is 8º30 Cancer. Or even ASC/MC (10º Cancer).

10º-15º Sagittarius used to be a mystery, too. But then I found my 15º SAG VALENTINE.

But the early Cancer degrees ... still a mystery.

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This is a great example of a personalized mdp (actually, it's a mdp cluster, if I understood correctly). If you find it's activated in most of your relationships, it should play a major role for you as relational mdp. I think Orange wrote a post about Venus/MC being "the love of your life" or something.

posted September 16, 2014 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by carm76:

Can someone help me please? I love all things astrology but the technical math just confuses me.

My Sun is at 10.56 Sag and moon is at 29.54 Aries. Do I go the long way around or the short way?

The Short was puts me at 20 Aquarius, is that right?

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posted September 16, 2014 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes. that is the near midpoint, on the other side is the far midpoint.

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What's the difference between a near midpoint and a far midpoint as far as how they function?

And what about when your Sun/Moon is in opposition? I'd been thinking my midpoint was in Sag because Sag is between Libra (Sun) and Pisces (Moon) on the Zodiac. But then I realized that because my Moon is in 3rd house and my Sun is in 10th house, Gemini in the 7th probably makes more sense than Sag in the 1st.

posted September 16, 2014 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I love working with midpoints. They're very important in my opinion, and a bit undervalued these days.

A few midpoints that I consider very important in anyone's chart and that I'll look for immediately are the Sun/Chart Ruler and Sun/AC midpoints. For romantic synastry, I look at Venus/Mars, Moon/Venus, Moon/Pluto, and DC/Venus first. Also DC/H7 ruler. I'm experimenting with house cusp and house ruler midpoints, it's fascinating.

I also like multimidpoints, Venus/Mars/Moon ie, but I'm still experimenting with those, not too many solid conclusions, other than - they work. But they can get complicated to interpret.

Hm, now that I'm thinking about it, I remember that a while ago I was thinking of calculating a "chart midpoint"; the midpoint of ALL the luminaries. But then I thought it was a silly idea. Maybe because I got into asteroids then and it just seemed like practically useless(what with excluding thousands of asteroids in the system!) and I sort of thought all the matter in the Solar System is bound to balance out so a single point of balance would be a physical impossibility. I don't really know what I thought anymore.
Maybe I'll try doing the major luminaries midpoint some day.

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LOL

posted September 16, 2014 02:02 PM            

Anyone,

my moon is conjunct chiron and south node.
my sun is conjunct mars and Neptune.

sun/moon- 20.25 Aquarius
sun/chiron- 19.24 Aquarius
sun/S. Node- 21.82 Aquarius
Moon/Mars- 19.15 Aquarius
Moon/Neptune- 21.44 Aquarius
Neptune/Chiron - 20.43 Aquarius
Mars/Chiron - 18.14 Aquarius
S. Node/Mars- 19.63 Aquarius
S. Node/Neptune- 23.22 Aquarius

Is it possible to have a Midpoint stellium?

posted September 16, 2014 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well for me Sun/Moon is a biggie.

But then again it is conjunct my Avx exact, opposing EROS exact, squaring Chiron by one degree and on the other side squaring Sappho as well.
It is a bit of a fated/ karmic eroticized Sun/Moon.

Venus/mars also happens quite often.

AS for others I would need to think about it.

What would you be looking for?

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Well, have you noticed any pattern yet, some mdp being more important to you, as being triggered in most of your relationships, like a repetitive theme?

Or better start with the chart geometry: does the chart geometry emphasize a certain mdp, or several mdp?

For example, my chart revolves around a Yod (the Yod apex is also the Bucket handle - I'll show you). The release of the Yod is the Sun/Venus mdp. This mdp, because of the said geometry, holds a major significance.

posted September 16, 2014 02:23 PM            

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For example, my chart revolves around a Yod (the Yod apex is also the Bucket handle - I'll show you). The release of the Yod is the Sun/Venus mdp. This mdp, because of the said geometry, holds a major significance.

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posted September 16, 2014 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Sun/Moon Sag 8.57
Mercury/Pluto Sag 7.36
Moon/Neptune Sag 7.09
Moon/Uranus Sag 5.02
On top of that my IC is in the middle of it (almost). This is dangerous.

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OK, so someone hitting your IC (or maybe MC) must really draw you out
That's a mdp cluster.

posted September 16, 2014 02:52 PM            

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(or maybe MC)

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posted September 16, 2014 03:11 PM            

I have a bucket, too, with Saturn as the handle.
The rim planets (excluding Chiron and asteroids), are Jupiter on 11 Pisces and Pluto on 9 Libra.

posted September 16, 2014 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
What's the difference between a near midpoint and a far midpoint as far as how they function?

And what about when your Sun/Moon is in opposition? I'd been thinking my midpoint was in Sag because Sag is between Libra (Sun) and Pisces (Moon) on the Zodiac. But then I realized that because my Moon is in 3rd house and my Sun is in 10th house, Gemini in the 7th probably makes more sense than Sag in the 1st.

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There is no difference, IMO, in the sense that they're both your midpoint and when it comes to relationships, a planet on either one of them is on your mdp.

posted September 16, 2014 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I love working with midpoints. They're very important in my opinion, and a bit undervalued these days.

A few midpoints that I consider very important in anyone's chart and that I'll look for immediately are the Sun/Chart Ruler and Sun/AC midpoints. For romantic synastry, I look at Venus/Mars, Moon/Venus, Moon/Pluto, and DC/Venus first. Also DC/H7 ruler. I'm experimenting with house cusp and house ruler midpoints, it's fascinating.

I also like multimidpoints, Venus/Mars/Moon ie, but I'm still experimenting with those, not too many solid conclusions, other than - they work. But they can get complicated to interpret.

Hm, now that I'm thinking about it, I remember that a while ago I was thinking of calculating a "chart midpoint"; the midpoint of ALL the luminaries. But then I thought it was a silly idea. Maybe because I got into asteroids then and it just seemed like practically useless(what with excluding thousands of asteroids in the system!) and I sort of thought all the matter in the Solar System is bound to balance out so a single point of balance would be a physical impossibility. I don't really know what I thought anymore.
Maybe I'll try doing the major luminaries midpoint some day.

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What is the meaning of the mdp between Sun and chart ruler, in your opinion, Libran dream?