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Ceridwen
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posted September 16, 2014 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to post both - and no neither looks particularly easy

How would the interpretation for each chart differ?
I mean what is the difference here? in general meaning of composite vs davison as well as in terms of THIS example.


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posted September 16, 2014 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why did you post an uncorrected version? I thought the corrected one was superior :/ And why is there only a 2 degree difference in my charts when it comes the ASC? Yours is much bigger.

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posted September 16, 2014 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No the uncorrected version is the correct one.


LOL
Well, the difference is in the corrected version astro-com corrects the MC so that it is the same as in the composite-version, instead of showing the "real" one, being created through the both birthtimes. No clue why they are doing that.

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posted September 16, 2014 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good to know -_-
I mean, that's the difference between the composite and the uncorrected version.

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posted September 16, 2014 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find it interesting how in both cases you have the NN in the 9th house. Though in Composite, it's merely in the start, but in Davison, it is opening the house.
And also how the Moon squaring the Nodes is on opposite sides, one in Cancer, one in Cap, that's quite funny.

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posted September 16, 2014 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I find it interesting how in both cases you have the NN in the 9th house. Though in Composite, it's merely in the start, but in Davison, it is opening the house.
And also how the Moon squaring the Nodes is on opposite sides, one in Cancer, one in Cap, that's quite funny.


Yes, I thought so, too.
Both Moons are on my natal Sun/Moon-mp-axis, while both Suns are on his natal Sun/Moon-mp-axis.

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posted September 16, 2014 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All right, there it is lol
I use Davison for:
-confirming a more controversial aspect in the Composite
-understanding an aspect better, with the additional clues Davison offers

and
for the cinematic view, a sequence of possible events (because of the relation between Davison and actual space and time)

So I guess I need to study your charts now, Ceri
Nice double wedge (or Cradle as they call it) with its mdp sitting right on the 8th cusp (almost)

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posted September 16, 2014 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I´ve been running pretty wild and have been checking conjunctions/ oppositions of our natal planets/ asteroids to the Davison.
orb is 3 degrees at most

my natal to Davison
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DESC conjunct mean Lilith
MC conjunct Ceres

Sun-Mercury opposite Sun

Venus conjunct Eros (3)
Mars conjunct mean Lilith

Jupiter opposite Psyche-Atropos
Saturn conjunct DESC (3)
Saturn opposite Karma

Uranus opposite Cupido (0) - Chiron (3)

Chiron conjunct Lust-SN

Vertex conjunct Moon

Lilith-Psyche conjunct Antivertex on 24 Aquarius
Ceres opposite Psyche
Pallas conjunct PoF, opposite Vesta

Juno opposite Atropos (3)
Juno conjunct Pholus (3)

Vesta conjunct Eros

Eros conjunct Moon on 20 Cancer

Lust opposite Lilith

Valentine opposite Valentine

Karma opposite Neptune-Priapus (0
Karma conjunct Mercury, true Lilith, Jupiter


his relation to the Davison
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IC conjunct Sun
Sun opposite Sun
Moon opposite Sun

Mercury conjunct mean Lilith (3)

Mars conjunct Psyche
Mars conjunct Atropos
Jupiter conjunct Psyche on 10 Virgo
Jupiter conjunct Atropos (3)

Uranus opposite Valentine (3)

Pluto conjunct NN on 21 Libra
Pluto opposite Lust

NN conjunct Pallas

Chiron opposite Uranus
Chiron conjunct Mars on 9 Taurus
Chiron conjunct Venus

Lilith opposite Pholus

Pallas conjunct Antivertex on 24 Aquarius

Vesta conjunct Cupido and Chiron

Almos opposite Eros (/0)

Eros opposite Psyche
Psyche conjunct Antivertex
Amor conjunct Psyche

Lust ocnjunct Uranus
Lust opposite Chiron and Mars (3)

Valentine conjunct MC

Atropos conjunct DESC (3)
- it seems that our davison DESC is exactly between my Saturn and his Atropos-

Karma conjunct Ceres

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posted September 16, 2014 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
-confirming a more controversial aspect in the Composite
-understanding an aspect better, with the additional clues Davison offers

Can you give examples based on Ceri's charts?

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posted September 16, 2014 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a lot, Ceri

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posted September 16, 2014 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I esp. love these "reflections"

my Venus conjunct D-Eros
his Mars conjunct D-Psyche

my Juno opposite D-Atropos
his Jupiter conjunct D-Atropos

these are intriguing and worth some pondering too, as to who affects what

my Uranus opposite D-Chiron
his Chiron opposite D-Uranus

my Chiron conjunct D-Lust
his Lust opposite D-Chiron

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posted September 16, 2014 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, while I can partially agree with your approach, I think, reducing Davison to a help-chart to composite does not do it justice.
Also, the possible sequence of events, we do have the transits for composite for this, as well.
So there must be a very own twist to the Davison chart.
But I think I do agree that it might be possibly more of an "outer manifestation" chart than the energetical combination / merging that the composite represents.

But as I said not totally sure as of now.

I just find both charts intriguing and puzzling.


As for the wide composite Venus-Mars-square. Well it must be the result of the 5 degree trine and exact septile we have in synastry.

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posted September 16, 2014 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh. In my Davison there are Mercury and Jupiter in the 5th too. Quite fitting for charts with entertainers.

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posted September 16, 2014 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course I also find it interesting that his Eros opposes and his Amor conjuncts Davison Psyche.

While my chart has not such a relation to the Davison-Eros-Psyche, ther is a midpoint alignment.


my Eros/Psyche-mp: 7°31 Taurus
D-Eros/Psyche-mp: 6°52 Scorpio,

and the one collecting this energy is Uranus on 8.00 Scorpio.

which in turns falls back onto his natal LUST on 6°22 Scorpio (which conjuncts my Draconic Saturn on 6°48 Scorpio)

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posted September 16, 2014 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All right, Caps, I'll try to give an example.
Ceri,s comp is basically a Cross/Kite structure, one of the best relational geometry to have. It has a missing leg, but I'm sure an asteroid must be there. If not, I take a look at Davison, see if there's anything at about 19 Cancer and...surprise! The Moon, DSC ruler, comes out of its hiding in her own domicile in a very visible and marital house: this immediately tells me that Ceri's Moon in the Composite, despite it being in the 12th, it's a very strong Moon. In other words, Ceri's common Moon with the gentleman is a connective placement. This is something I could do if I want to understand what it means to have Moon in 12th in Ceri's comp, because it could mean many things. You can see that the whole T/square is very strong, crossing the nodal axis and Moon/Venus being squared by that major nodal stellium, which includes Mars and Pluto - although in 12th, it's a rather volcanic placement, a Moon challenged by Mars and Pluto to come out, to show herself; plus it's the nodal planet so to speak. So putting both charts side by side, we have a synthesis which gives us the actual composite Moon ( composite in the sense that Davison is also a composite, so we need to make this synthesis from both these charts, to look at both to draw a conclusion)

Another example is to check the dynamics of her Venus/Mars, coming from a DW in synastry, moving through a wide square in Comp and being conjunct and opp Uranus (intercepted 1st ruler in Davison)

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posted September 16, 2014 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, while I can partially agree with your approach, I think, reducing Davison to a help-chart to composite does not do it justice.
Also, the possible sequence of events, we do have the transits for composite for this, as well.
So there must be a very own twist to the Davison chart.
But I think I do agree that it might be possibly more of an "outer manifestation" chart than the energetical combination / merging that the composite represents.

But as I said not totally sure as of now.

I just find both charts intriguing and puzzling.


As for the wide composite Venus-Mars-square. Well it must be the result of the 5 degree trine and exact septile we have in synastry.



I don't disagree with you, maybe there is such a twist.

My idea is not to necessarily favor the composite (although perhaps I do consider it the main composite chart lol or at least I pay extra attention to it) but to make a synopsis out of both charts.

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posted September 16, 2014 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, fascinating, Leeloo.

So in a nutshell you see how the energy of the composite planet is manifesting in the outer world, signified by the Davison?


So if that composite 12th house Moon was accompanied by a 6th house Capricorn-Moon without hitting any hots pots in the compospite, the interpretation would have ben possibly a less encouraging one?

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posted September 16, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Lee. My Davison is boring when it comes to patterns but if placements can really be exchanged between these charts then there will be some action.


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posted September 16, 2014 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL

I swear I had no idea, but actually I coincidentally used an example from my parent`s chart!

They have a composite Moon in Cancer in 12th house, and a Davison Moon in Capricorn in 6th house.

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posted September 16, 2014 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Ah, fascinating, Leeloo.

So in a nutshell you see how the energy of the composite planet is manifesting in the outer world, signified by the Davison?


So if that composite 12th house Moon was accompanied by a 6th house Capricorn-Moon without hitting any hots pots in the compospite, the interpretation would have ben possibly a less encouraging one?



Yes, yes, exactly...I'm glad someone understands me! lol Davison, being a space/time comp, it has a personality in the world, it has manifestation in the visible/social/outer plan.

For example, my Composite Sun is in the 7th. My Davison Sun is in the 12th. This suggests that, although the two people may be committed to each other and be a couple, this may very well evolve as a very private or secret relationship, at least partially. I'm not sure yet if Davison is the actual outcome, but I'm positive it has to have an outward personality, generate and project events.


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posted September 16, 2014 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, that is how I see it, too, even though Iw as not THAT clear about it before. lol

So our 12th house composite Venus in Capricorn, becoming a domicile Taurus Venus in Davison in 3rd house, might open up avenues for the love-principle or attraction or whatever we find beautiful and relate to together, to express through some form of communication, and with Taurus involved, I suppose it makes sense that I met him in his function as a singer. lol

So IF this hypothesis is valide and true, than 12th house planets in Davison would probably be even trickier than in composite, at least if people want to have a solid visible official relationship.


What do you think?

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posted September 16, 2014 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lee, how many planets changed the house in your case?

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posted September 16, 2014 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, my biggest dilemma in this respect is the time sequence between Davison and the Composite, if there is any. This is solvable with studying lots of charts lol

So the question is: which happens first?

If we think about it, the Davison is an actual event, it could be a metaphor for the meeting in time and space, hence a metaphor for the first meeting, the first stage of the relationship. The Composite reflects the middle ground between the two, when they reach their Moons midpoint, for instance, when the union actually takes place - and we all know it takes time to reach that middleground, to combine the two Moons, make them act in sync. So it is very possible that Davison reflects the circumstances of the relationship's evolution in time and space in its initial stage, until it reaches the stage of an actual union.

For example, did your parents start a bit homebound, warmed up with each other progressively, until they decided to be an official couple and then they became much more social and outwardly, or was it the other way around?


EDIT: Sorry, Ceri, I misunderstood. Your parents Moon become a composite Cancer Moon in 12th, a super intimistic Moon, very private. So which do you think was first?
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posted September 16, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lee, how many planets changed the house in your case?


I'm not sure I understand the question. The Sun remains in Gemini, it moves from the 7th to the 12th. BTW, it's also interesting how orbs widen or tighten with certain conjunctions, aspects, when you compare Davison with the Comp. In fact, I'm gonna list the translation of my planets from one chart to the other.

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posted September 16, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I don`t believe it takes time for a composite to take effect. Once the people meet, it`s in play. No need to adjust Moons to each other, their c-Moon simply portrays their shared emotional vibe.


As for my parents they met in a discotheque, got together pretty quickly, and pretty much from the first day my dad was like an integral part of my mom`s family as well.

I do think though that they might be more outgoing and social nowadays, which is largely due to my mom`s efforts. My Dad is very charming and can talk to just anyone and entertain them, but he wouldn´t go out that much on his own, unless for social purproses (like workrelated meetings or for charity and the like).

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